Who is our opening day starter?

[a700hitter]

I hope the perception I'm creating is that others see me as a person at a circus watching a clown.

f*** off.

[moonslav59]

f*** off.

 

Nice "perception" created.

[a700hitter]

Nice "perception" created.

It is not an erroneous perception.

[Spudboy]

What does that even mean?

 

You are skirting the issue.

 

You attacked posters unprovoked. You are at fault here. Just stop.

 

No he did not. Not to my recollection, at least. a700 just voiced an opposing view and then it escalated into name calling.

 

He is not at fault for starting the name calling or ********. He does stir the pot now and then. What is wrong with that? After all, it has been said that there is little else to discuss.

 

Stop being defensive and pointing the finger.

[Spudboy]

This topic is not worth fighting about.

 

Dombrowki has made some expensive moves and not all of them have worked out ( yet ).

 

I am far more concerned about Carson Smith being healthy enough to pitch anytime in 2017, Sales left arm and his laborious motion, and the exodus of scouts and or baseball opps people from the Sox.

 

Immediately after the Sale trade DD stated that building the farm back up will be an important task. He knows what he has done and my guess is that he has a plan to deal with the fallout.

[moonslav59]

Immediately after the Sale trade DD stated that building the farm back up will be an important task. He knows what he has done and my guess is that he has a plan to deal with the fallout.

 

He could trade Buch for a decent low level prospect- maybe, but what could the plan be other than "I hope we can draft better with later picks than we have in the past."?

 

I do think we can add some more prospect depth through international signings once our ban is lifted, but even that area is more restrictive than years past.

 

He has his work cut out for him, but it's not impossible to find some gems in the later picks and rounds. I'm hoping for the best, as I'm sure we all are, but it's not going to be easy. We are going to have to acquire young talent most likely without the help of comp picks, top 10 draft picks, drafting high salary players down in the draft or splurging on international players whenever we feel like it.

 

I'm sorry, if that comes across as negative or looks like an attempt to rain on our 3 year window parade, but it's not intended to be that way. I'm happy with what DD has done. I'm so happy about the Sale deal, that view the totality of DD's moves as a solid plus. I wouldn't give back a single prospect DD has traded away in all his trades, if it meant we had to give back Sale.

 

I'm hoping for two rings in 3 years, but think one is probably more realistic. I'm fine with that too.

 

Those damn Cubbies look pretty tough though. We better beat their asses at some point.

[a700hitter]

No, unfortunately you don't "got it". You repeatedly mistate my position and link me with others that are critical of DD or the Sale trade.

 

I LOVE the Sale trade.

 

How hard is that to understand?

If you LOVE the Sale trade, why did you feel the need to stir so much s*** with me? I didn't accuse you of anything in my initial post on this issue. The post that got the whole argument rolling was Notin's, and my response to that post did not mention you and was not in response to any of your posts. Yet, you took the opportunity to enter the fray and fan a flame war and hurl a few insults at me. This is the second time today that you entered a discussion between me and another poster when I wasn't addressing you and took the opportunity to insult me. Knock it off, clown. Edited December 20, 2016 by a700hitter

[moonslav59]

If you LOVE the Sale trade, why did you feel the need to stir so much s*** with me? I didn't accuse you of anything in my initial post on this issue. The post that got the whole argument rolling was Notin's, and my response to that post did not mention you and was not in response to any of your posts. Yet, you took the opportunity to enter the fray and fan a flame war and hurl a few insults at me. This is the second time today that you entered a discussion between me and another poster when I wasn't addressing you and took the opportunity to insult me. Knock it off, clown.

 

You've been bashing me long before today's posts.

 

You've been lumping all of us stating the obvious about our long term outlook looking questionable at best together and confusing who said what.

 

You've acted like a major contingent of this board is anti- Sale trade, when maybe there's one or two somewhat against it within a certain context.

 

You have fanned the flames for weeks. This didn't start today.

 

I apologize for making this personal, but I do think you have been disrespectful more than I, but maybe I'm biased.

 

I know the passions get the better of us sometimes, and I'm sorry for calling you a clown. You seem very knowledgeable but maybe not very tolerant of opposing views. You exaggerate at times, as we all do, and assume that being critical about some aspects of the Sox means we are unhappy or obsessed with negativism. One could say the same of you and others about going on and on bashing Ben. We all pick our own poisons, I guess.

 

Again, I'm sorry for the name-calling.

 

[a700hitter]

You've been bashing me long before today's posts.

 

You've been lumping all of us stating the obvious about our long term outlook looking questionable at best together and confusing who said what.

 

You've acted like a major contingent of this board is anti- Sale trade, when maybe there's one or two somewhat against it within a certain context.

 

You have fanned the flames for weeks. This didn't start today.

 

I apologize for making this personal, but I do think you have been disrespectful more than I, but maybe I'm biased.

 

I know the passions get the better of us sometimes, and I'm sorry for calling you a clown. You seem very knowledgeable but maybe not very tolerant of opposing views. You exaggerate at times, as we all do, and assume that being critical about some aspects of the Sox means we are unhappy or obsessed with negativism. One could say the same of you and others about going on and on bashing Ben. We all pick our own poisons, I guess.

 

Again, I'm sorry for the name-calling.

 

I think you are being biased and more than slightly paranoid. I am allowed to have a different opinion from you and others, and I have openly stated my opinion that 2021 to 2025 is too distant to really get me worried. I will worry about that period in a couple of years or so. That is how I prioritize my concerns. That is not bashing you or anyone for that matter. Not only did you enter into 2 discussions today that you were not part of, but you got personally insulting even though you didn't disagree with my side of either argument. If you want to talk about lacking tolerance of opposing views, you demonstrate intolerance of my opinions even when you do not disagree with me. I accept your apology about the insults, but there really is no need for you to oppose what I am saying if I am not addressing you or one of your opinions. There is plenty to argue about when we really disagree about something. Edited December 20, 2016 by a700hitter

[Slasher9]

Other than from Slasher (no offense), I really haven't seen much Price 'hate,' either.

 

Lol FJ. None taken.

[Slasher9]

There's not a lot else going on right now to talk about, so what's the harm of having a civil discussion about it?

 

If you don't want to join the discussion, then don't.

 

There is no need to attack someone else who does.

 

You should know that I'm one of the most positive posters around, so much so that I've been called a homer or a pollyanna more times than I can count. For anyone to now paint me as a whiner or a negative person is laughable.

Perfect post

[Slasher9]

f*** off.

 

Hahahaha. The two words that raise the white flag....

[a700hitter]

Hahahaha. The two words that raise the white flag....

Yet, I got the apology. Figure that one out.

[moonslav59]

Yet, I got the apology. Figure that one out.

 

I apologized for call you a clown. That's not the same as saying I agree with you, or that everything you have said is okay.

[a700hitter]

I apologized for call you a clown. That's not the same as saying I agree with you, or that everything you have said is okay.

Did I say otherwise? You merited the "f*** off" for the personal insults and nothing else.

[moonslav59]

Did I say otherwise? You merited the "f*** off" for the personal insults and nothing else.

 

You did in your previous post.

[a700hitter]

You did in your previous post.

You need to fact check yourself. You are seeing things that are not there.

[moonslav59]

You need to fact check yourself. You are seeing things that are not there.

 

You need to give it up. You go nonstop criticizing all the negativity on the long term future and assuming those being critical hate the trades, you've been inventing huge crowds of anti-Sale posters that don't exist, and then say, "That is not bashing you or anyone for that matter."

 

I'm very tolerant of other opinions, and I'm fine with your opinion, but when people tell me I'm not happy or can't be happy with the present because I'm concerned about the future, it seems you're trying to force us to be like you or stop expressing our views.

 

It's pretty common for the team that traded away prospects fans to express concern over the long term impact of the trade. It doesn't mean they hate the trade. It's not whining to express the pros and cons.

 

When the point is made that so many people hate the Sale trade, and I ask for names. I wonder why there is no names given.

 

When I point out I have always said I loved the Sale trade and never used the term in a vacuum, there's no admitting your confusion. Instead, you accuse me of stepping into an argument that has been going on for weeks. Again, I have zero regrets trading op prospects for Sale. I wouldn't be complaining about the deal, even if we included Swihart. You keep confusing my disgust with the Pom & Kimbrel trades and their affect on our long term future with my position on the Sale trade. They are separate deals.

 

And by the way, every poster has the right to respond to a post made, even if it wasn't directed at them. You do it yourself often enough.

 

[notin]

f*** off miserable *******. What i can read is a bunch of jackasses (and you head the list) wringing their hands over a trade where we got a top of the rotation young star pitcher in his prime at about half the going market rate. Seriously, on balance there has been very little positive posts about him and the trade. Maybe you can't read. Anyway, you miserable jerks will be unable to applaud all of the talent on the field in 2017 because your hands will be too sore after 2 more months of incessant hand wringing about the coming Apocalypse in 2021-2025.

 

Since I've never wrung my hands over this trade I stand by my accusation that you can't read. But it's nice that you have me on top of this list, which I can only assume makes you number two. Although I think you're number two regardless of where I fall.

 

So what exactly so you bring to tjis board, besides deriding people for opinions you assign them and fat jokes and profanity and wishing death on people, only to claim afterward it was sarcasm, which we both know you only did to save face. See what it's like when people assign you your opinion and then hold it against you? You'd think having seen this example multiple times would help you learn, but surprise surprise, you don't. You're an angry little man...

[notin]

No he did not. Not to my recollection, at least. a700 just voiced an opposing view and then it escalated into name calling.

 

He is not at fault for starting the name calling or ********. He does stir the pot now and then. What is wrong with that? After all, it has been said that there is little else to discuss.

 

Stop being defensive and pointing the finger.

 

a700 doesn't "just voice" anything.

 

He constantly misread posts and derides people for his misinterpretations. And then he passes his judgment, tosses in an insult andbthen gets angry at them. And the only thing that makes him angrier is if you do the same thing to him.

 

He does stop thst immature behavior only long enough to alternate posts calling Sandoval a "fat slob" with posts explaining why "fat slob" is a term of endearment.

 

And absolutely, yes, he does start the name calling and childish behavior.

[Jack Flap]

Let's try sticking to baseball in this decade.

 

So is it your opinion that none of the players Dombrowski traded will contribute in the majors during this decade? That's not an attack, but an honest question. You seem pretty hung up on the year 2021 for some reason...is this the arbitrary date when prospects are supposed to arrive?

[cp176]

I don't always agree with a700 but he continues to be one of the more knowledgeable baseball fans on the board. He is a passionate fan for sure but a great Red Sox fan. He doesn't need support from me because he is more than capable of handling the rhetoric tossed around here. I think this board serves as an outlet for a lot of somewhat unique "behavior" for sure. We all might be a little guilty of getting caught up in the emotion of the moment. I can. I've learned a lot about things that involve baseball in general here over the years. There are some that I don't agree with very often but when I listen to what they say I sometimes actually still learn things. It usually is an opinion board which to me means no one is necessarily right and no one is necessarily wrong. The key for me here is that we care about both the present and future Red Sox teams. Focus points might be a little different but that is the truth. Not buying in to someone's opinion 100% doesn't mean that you are totally opposed to what they have to say either. The baseball season can't come soon enough.

[Jack Flap]

I don't always agree with a700 but he continues to be one of the more knowledgeable baseball fans on the board. He is a passionate fan for sure but a great Red Sox fan. He doesn't need support from me because he is more than capable of handling the rhetoric tossed around here. I think this board serves as an outlet for a lot of somewhat unique "behavior" for sure. We all might be a little guilty of getting caught up in the emotion of the moment. I can. I've learned a lot about things that involve baseball in general here over the years. There are some that I don't agree with very often but when I listen to what they say I sometimes actually still learn things. It usually is an opinion board which to me means no one is necessarily right and no one is necessarily wrong. The key for me here is that we care about both the present and future Red Sox teams. Focus points might be a little different but that is the truth. Not buying in to someone's opinion 100% doesn't mean that you are totally opposed to what they have to say either. The baseball season can't come soon enough.

 

From where I sit, this whole conflagration started because several people were talking about Sale's jersey-cutting incident (and let's be honest, you can think he's an extraordinarily talented pitcher and be ecstatic that we have him and still wonder WTF he was doing there), and a700 responded with a rant about a bunch of people who hate Sale and Price because they pine for the glory days of Ben Cherington and think Dombrowski has ushered in the death of the franchise. Since these crowds of people who keep denouncing the Sale acquisition don't seem to exist, several posters guessed that he might be indirectly talking about them and mischaracterizing their own views and decided to rebut these remarks, and things got overheated and personal from there.

 

I've never had a problem with differing opinions, but I think we all need to be careful not to slip into arguing against straw men or reducing the opinions of those we disagree with to a caricature...and I include myself in that. As you said, we're all fans of the team, and most of the time people's reasons for their stances are a lot more complicated than simply hating Player X and loving Y.

 

Baseball can't come soon enough indeed.

[oldtimer]

From where I sit, this whole conflagration started because several people were talking about Sale's jersey-cutting incident (and let's be honest, you can think he's an extraordinarily talented pitcher and be ecstatic that we have him and still wonder WTF he was doing there), and a700 responded with a rant about a bunch of people who hate Sale and Price because they pine for the glory days of Ben Cherington and think Dombrowski has ushered in the death of the franchise. Since these crowds of people who keep denouncing the Sale acquisition don't seem to exist, several posters guessed that he might be indirectly talking about them and mischaracterizing their own views and decided to rebut these remarks, and things got overheated and personal from there.

 

I've never had a problem with differing opinions, but I think we all need to be careful not to slip into arguing against straw men or reducing the opinions of those we disagree with to a caricature...and I include myself in that. As you said, we're all fans of the team, and most of the time people's reasons for their stances are a lot more complicated than simply hating Player X and loving Y.

 

Baseball can't come soon enough indeed.

 

What has been done is done and whether we agree or not about the risks taken in the trades, we are now in a position to watch the season unfold. Will Sale be great or sustain an injury? Will our traded prospects make a big impact in MLB or be busts? Will something in between these two extremes take place? Stay tuned and stay polite.

[Jack Flap]

What has been done is done and whether we agree or not about the risks taken in the trades, we are now in a position to watch the season unfold. Will Sale be great or sustain an injury? Will our traded prospects make a big impact in MLB or be busts? Will something in between these two extremes take place? Stay tuned and stay polite.

 

Well said.

[S5Dewey]

What has been done is done and whether we agree or not about the risks taken in the trades, we are now in a position to watch the season unfold. Will Sale be great or sustain an injury? Will our traded prospects make a big impact in MLB or be busts? Will something in between these two extremes take place? Stay tuned and stay polite.

 

Things are never as bad as we fear nor as good as we hope for.

[Bellhorn04]

Things are never as bad as we fear nor as good as we hope for.

 

Sure they are.

Bad as we fear: 1978, 1986, 2003, 2011.

Good as we hope for: 2004, 2007, 2013.

[cp176]

Things are never as bad as we fear nor as good as we hope for.

 

Kind of like what I told athletes for 40+ years. You are never as good as you look on your best day but you are never as bad as you look on your worst day. Never too high - never too low. Have to stay solid.

[mvp 78]

I don't fault Sale for not wanting to play for the White Sox either, but you don't go and cut up all the jerseys.

 

Why not? It was his day to pitch. He earns his money by pitching well. If he doesn't want to play in a certain uni due to comfort, I believe he has that right. He wanted out and he got out. He clearly made the right call.

 

The Sox always wore the red jerseys for DLowe games. Was he being a bad teammate by wanting to chose the jerseys everyone wore?

[mvp 78]

As for the last 60 posts of nonsense: YOU ALL NEED SOME CHRISTMAS SPIRIT.