2016-2017 Offseason Trade Speculation Thread

[cp176]

Who? Shaw/Hill/Holt?

 

Shaw - Moncada (possibly sooner than we think) - Sandoval (you never know)

 

Worst case scenario you have have Holt to back up Shaw once again. Might look like a weakness but only because the rest of the team looks so strong.

[S5Dewey]

I hope the Iggy fans read this and have a response for it.

 

Hahaha. You guys are really grasping at straws now.

 

That was typical managerspeak if I ever heard it! What he said was that if Iggy's not healthy he won't play and if he is we'll make our decisions from there. What did you expect the manager to say, "When Iggy comes back he's going to SS and Aybar is going back to the bench where he belongs."?

 

Actions speaking louder than words, Aybar started at SS on the 28th and again on the 29th against the Angels, and on the 30th Iggy was reinstalled as the regular SS, often times batting 2nd in the order. And there he's stayed.

 

God, the things you people come up with.

[S5Dewey]

I hope he saved that "Runner up Rookie of the Year" trophy, because I don't see much more "hardware" coming his way in the future....

 

Really? How many of those do YOU have?

 

First of all there IS no trophy for "runner up". And second, if there were it'd be a safe bet that he'd never win another one.

Edited October 22, 2016 by S5Dewey

[Bellhorn04]

Runner up ROY SS (no less!) batting >.300. What's your definition of Mercedes price?

 

Iggy bears no resemblance to a baseball Mercedes, it's an absurd comparison. He's a slightly above average player, when he plays. A Mercedes is a guy like Betts, an elite talent.

 

Trading Bagwell for Anderson, that was a disastrous deadline trade. This was a good one. I've been highly critical of Cherington for some other moves, but never this one.

[S5Dewey]

Iggy bears no resemblance to a baseball Mercedes, it's an absurd comparison. He's a slightly above average player, when he plays. A Mercedes is a guy like Betts, an elite talent.

 

Trading Bagwell for Anderson, that was a disastrous deadline trade. This was a good one. I've been highly critical of Cherington for some other moves, but never this one.

I will give you that he's a slightly above average player NOW, but at the time he was a Mercedes. Like I said, runner up ROY SS batting >.300 with several years of control remaining. Who is there on the Sox that you wouldn't trade for that player tomorrow?

 

But my points remain that having Peavy wasn't the tipping point for the Sox winning the WS, and the Sox overpaid for a formerly great player on the downside of his career.

 

Edited afterthought: And it's still MO that the Sox would have been a better team in 2016 with Iggy and Xbo in the IF and Sandoval's money spent on pitching.

Edited October 22, 2016 by S5Dewey

[Bellhorn04]

I will give you that he's a slightly above average player NOW, but at the time he was a Mercedes. Like I said, runner up ROY SS batting >.300 with several years of control remaining. Who is there on the Sox that you wouldn't trade for that player tomorrow?

 

It was a weak AL rookie field. He would have finished much lower in the NL that year. Luck of the draw. And while Sox fans were pleasantly surprised with his BA, anyone that had even a glimmer of knowledge about baseball stats and analysis knew he was going to regress sharply at some point.

[Eddy Ballgame]

Really? How many of those do YOU have?

 

First of all there IS no trophy for "runner up". And second, if there were it'd be a safe bet that he'd never win another one.

 

I was joking. You are so hung up on this guy, that you can't tell the difference anymore. In 3 years, when he's playing weekend softball in Venezuela, maybe you can go visit him and watch him pout, I mean play.

[Eddy Ballgame]

I will give you that he's a slightly above average player NOW, but at the time he was a Mercedes. Like I said, runner up ROY SS batting >.300 with several years of control remaining. Who is there on the Sox that you wouldn't trade for that player tomorrow?

 

But my points remain that having Peavy wasn't the tipping point for the Sox winning the WS, and the Sox overpaid for a

formerly great player on the downside of his career.

 

Edited afterthought: And it's still MO that the Sox would have been a better team in 2016 with Iggy and Xbo in the IF and Sandoval's money spent on pitching.

 

I wouldn't trade Marco Hernandez straight up for Iglesias right now. Did you ever think that the Sox saw something with this guy!?! He's also a long way from his ".300 batting average," consisting of mostly infield singles. The funny thing is, he beats out a lot of infield ground balls, yet he's one of the worst base stealers in all of baseball. Strange.

 

He has missed an entire season due to injury, he got hurt again this year while putting up pretty pathetic offensive numbers, and regardless of how you interpreted that article, to me, it sounds like his manager isn't too keen on him.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Eddy Ballgame

[S5Dewey]

I wouldn't trade Marco Hernandez straight up for Iglesias right now. Did you ever think that the Sox saw something with this guy!?! He's also a long way from his ".300 batting average," consisting of mostly infield singles. The funny thing is, he beats out a lot of infield ground balls, yet he's one of the worst base stealers in all of baseball. Strange.

 

 

I'm not sure now if this is another of your weak attempts at humor. I'll say this whether it is or not - This is just another reason I'm glad you're not sitting behind DD's desk.

[Spudboy]

Lol.

 

It's only baseball.

[Kimmi]

I'm with Dewey on this.

 

I'm with Bell and Eddy on this.

 

Great posts by both of them on this topic.

[Dojji]

I'm not sure now if this is another of your weak attempts at humor. I'll say this whether it is or not - This is just another reason I'm glad you're not sitting behind DD's desk.

 

Before we laugh too hard let's see what kind of career Marco makes for himself. He's a pretty talented infielder

[oldtimer]

Before we laugh too hard let's see what kind of career Marco makes for himself. He's a pretty talented infielder

 

Several of us including Moon have been hoping for more of a role for Marco. Maybe 2017 he can graduate into at least a solid utility player for us and get more opportunities.

[moonslav59]

Okay, I can respect your opinion there. You'd start him if he hit .225 with no pop because he's an above average fielder. Personally, I wouldn't want him on my team as a "utility" player, because I don't think he has the right make-up to handle it.

 

And, I respect your opinion here too.

 

I think Iggy is better than an "above average fielder", but I could be wrong.

 

[Nick]

Please stop! Lets talk about the babe ruth trade.

[moonslav59]

Better yet, let's talk about the next trade...

 

The Royals are apparently looking to cut salary. They have a lot of players coming off the books after 2017, including Hosmer (1B) and Moustakas (3B), so I'm starting with giving them Shaw (1B/3B).

 

How about we trade Shaw, Holt, and three from: Chavis, Barnes, Ockimey, Owens and Johnson.

 

for Kendrys Morales --$11M mutual option ($1.5M buyout), Wade Davis--$10M club option ($2.5M buyout) and Joakim Soria--2017:$8M, 2018:$9M, 2019:$10M mutual option ($1M buyout)- sort of a salary dump.

 

Probably way short of what is needed (add Devers or Basabe?), but at least I'm trying to change the conversation.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wade Davis will cost an astronomical amount and wont come with any guarantees. Remember, he went down with a "forearm" injury. Who knows what happens in spring training with him

[moonslav59]

Wade Davis will cost an astronomical amount and wont come with any guarantees. Remember, he went down with a "forearm" injury. Who knows what happens in spring training with him

 

I think his injury should lessen the return cost, but if they want a ton, then we just say no.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think they hold onto him and maximize value once they prove he's healthy. No point in taking a lesser return

[Nick]

I think they hold onto him and maximize value once they prove he's healthy. No point in taking a lesser return

 

No point in Sox taking the risk....typically that's what we do....roll the dice and lose (because odds are against us)

[moonslav59]

I think they hold onto him and maximize value once they prove he's healthy. No point in taking a lesser return

 

They're looking to cut costs. Someone has to go- why not the one with the most risk?

[moonslav59]

Al Avila, Detroit GM, says “changes are coming”.

 

Lots of big contracts to choose from...

 

Verlander: 17:$28M, 18:$28M, 19:$28M, 20:$22M vesting option

 

Miggy: 17:$28M, 18-21:$30M annually, 22-23:$32M annually, 24:$30M club option ($8M buyout), 25:$30M club option

 

Justin Upton: 17-21:$22.125M annually

 

J Zimmerman: 17:$18M, 18:$24M, 19:$25M, 20:$25M

 

VMart: 17:$18M, 18:$18M

 

A Sanchez: 17:$16M, 18:$16M club option ($5M buyout)

 

 

WOW! Imagine if we had a GM that signed most of these guys to these deals!

 

[Nick]

Al Avila, Detroit GM, says “changes are coming”.

 

Lots of big contracts to choose from...

 

Verlander: 17:$28M, 18:$28M, 19:$28M, 20:$22M vesting option

 

Miggy: 17:$28M, 18-21:$30M annually, 22-23:$32M annually, 24:$30M club option ($8M buyout), 25:$30M club option

 

Justin Upton: 17-21:$22.125M annually

 

J Zimmerman: 17:$18M, 18:$24M, 19:$25M, 20:$25M

 

VMart: 17:$18M, 18:$18M

 

A Sanchez: 17:$16M, 18:$16M club option ($5M buyout)

 

 

WOW! Imagine if we had a GM that signed most of these guys to these deals!

 

 

Or Imagine if we had a GM that brought 4 straight Division titles and more importantly drew 2M+ fans for 11 straight year, 4 of those 3M+. Apparently the fans enjoyed DD acquisitions. He owes no apology.

[Dojji]

The owner certainly enjoyed all those division titles and all that prestige. And fans or no fans, the team president and GM answer to the owner.

[Kimmi]

Or Imagine if we had a GM that brought 4 straight Division titles and more importantly drew 2M+ fans for 11 straight year, 4 of those 3M+. Apparently the fans enjoyed DD acquisitions. He owes no apology.

 

The ultimate goal is to win a championship. I would not in any way call Dombrowski's tenure in Detroit a failure, but even with all of the division titles, they never won the big prize. Now they have a lot of huge contracts to deal with and a bare farm system. The long term ramifications are setting in. This is Exhibit A on what's wrong with the 'win now' mentality.

[Kimmi]

It's too bad Miggy's contract is so large. He would be an excellent replacement for Papi at DH.

[Kimmi]

Better yet, let's talk about the next trade...

 

If the Sox are in contention, I think we should trade JBJ midseason next year for a Peavy type pitcher.....

[S5Dewey]

If the Sox are in contention, I think we should trade JBJ midseason next year for a Peavy type pitcher.....

 

Troublemaker!!

[Bellhorn04]

Al Avila, Detroit GM, says “changes are coming”.

 

Lots of big contracts to choose from...

 

Verlander: 17:$28M, 18:$28M, 19:$28M, 20:$22M vesting option

 

Miggy: 17:$28M, 18-21:$30M annually, 22-23:$32M annually, 24:$30M club option ($8M buyout), 25:$30M club option

 

Justin Upton: 17-21:$22.125M annually

 

J Zimmerman: 17:$18M, 18:$24M, 19:$25M, 20:$25M

 

VMart: 17:$18M, 18:$18M

 

A Sanchez: 17:$16M, 18:$16M club option ($5M buyout)

 

 

WOW! Imagine if we had a GM that signed most of these guys to these deals!

 

 

That list doesn't reflect badly on Dombrowski. 4 out of the 6 are his, and 3 of those 4 have been pretty good players, I'd say.

[Bellhorn04]

The ultimate goal is to win a championship. I would not in any way call Dombrowski's tenure in Detroit a failure, but even with all of the division titles, they never won the big prize. Now they have a lot of huge contracts to deal with and a bare farm system. The long term ramifications are setting in. This is Exhibit A on what's wrong with the 'win now' mentality.

 

4 straight division titles, you can't ask for much more than that. The playoffs are a crapshoot.

 

I don't know if it's fair to call 4 straight division titles the product of a 'win now' mentality, when not many teams have done it.