A Realistic View at 2017 Part I

[Kimmi]

I acknowledge that I am a prime example of live fast and leave a pretty corpse!!!!!

 

LOL

 

You have to enjoy life, that's for sure.

 

But it's about striking that balance.

[Kimmi]

That is an incredibly stupid analogy on many levels

 

I don't understand unless you put it in a chart for me.

[a700hitter]

That is an incredibly stupid analogy on many levels

Uh, yeah it really is.

[a700hitter]

I knew that you were retired. That was my point. You planned for your long term, rather than saying that you don't care about the what happens 30 years down the road.

 

The philosophy should be the same with running a baseball franchise.

The difference is that I am in control of the actions necessary to plan my own retirement. I am not in control of the Boston Red Sox. I try not to worry about things that I cannot control, but that can be difficult when it comes to the Red Sox. I have very strong emotional ties with them, but I have been able to not worry about them 10 years down the road. That is not shortsighted, because again, I have no control over any of it.

 

With regard to your your analogy to my retirement planning, as I have said, this analogy is way off the mark, because I have control of things affecting my retirement planning. On the other hand, I have no control over my brother's retirement planning. I love my brother and hope that he will be able to retire comfortably. If he invites me to a wedding for my niece for which he spends $200 k, I would consider that to be an extravagant expense and probably not in the best interests of his retirement planning. Nevertheless, I would enjoy the beautiful extravagant wedding and trust that my brother has a good plan to retire. It is not in my control. That is the better analogy. Enjoy the extravagant party. Ten years is a long way off and you have no control over it. It is a very valuable franchise, and JH has people who worry about its long term value.

Edited December 19, 2016 by a700hitter

[moonslav59]

You Benny Boy Fanboys need to keep track of your conspiracy theories regarding Benny's failures and your self-created stories about Benny's tremendous influence and accomplishments while he was merely a Theo understudy or a temporary co-GM. These fallacious narratives are logically contradictory.

 

No, you need to keep lumping all of us Ben supporters into the same category with all the exact same beliefs.

 

For example, I've never once not credited Theo with the Beckett trade or credited or blamed Ben or Larry for anything that happened under Theo's watch, yet you implied I did

 

You're failure to realize that loving a trade but realizing it might have negative consequences later is not contradictory is alarmingly simple-minded.

[Spudboy]

That is an incredibly stupid analogy on many levels

 

lol.

 

[moonslav59]

DD does have control of the Sox present and future, and we are evaluating both aspects of his planning.

 

Would you choose DD to run your retirement portfolio, if he ran it the same way he is running the Sox?

 

The analogy may not be perfect, but the sentiment is what you are missing.

 

You say you don't worry about the future of the Sox, because it's out of your control, but you sure worried about the present of the Sox, when they were losing, even though that was out of your control as well.

 

You also really seem to worry that some of us care about the future of the Sox more than you do. Aren't we "out of your control" as well?

 

Let it go. Enjoy yourself in the here and now. Just stop bashing others who don't think like you.

 

I'm fine with the here and now, but I see it for what it is. It's here and now and not the later.

Edited December 20, 2016 by moonslav59

[a700hitter]

No, you need to keep lumping all of us Ben supporters into the same category with all the exact same beliefs.

 

For example, I've never once not credited Theo with the Beckett trade or credited or blamed Ben or Larry for anything that happened under Theo's watch, yet you implied I did

 

You're failure to realize that loving a trade but realizing it might have negative consequences later is not contradictory is alarmingly simple-minded.

Get the circumstances straight. You interjected in support of the person who credited Ben for Beckett. If you interject like that, it is a fair assumption that you agree with that person's opinion. maybe you should have stayed out of that one since you didn't agree with him?

[a700hitter]

Ben does have control of the Sox present and future, and we are evaluating both aspects of his planning.

 

Would you choose DD to run your retirement portfolio, if he ran it the same way he is running the Sox?

 

The analogy may not be perfect, but the sentiment is what you are missing.

 

You say you don't worry about the future of the Sox, because it's out of your control, but you sure worried about the present of the Sox, when they were losing, even though that was out of your control as well.

 

You also really seem to worry that some of us care about the future of the Sox more than you do. Aren't we "out of your control" as well?

 

Let it go. Enjoy yourself in the here and now. Just stop bashing others who don't think like you.

 

I'm fine with the here and now, but I see it for what it is. It's here and now and not the later.

Ben has no control of anything with the Red Sox.

[Kimmi]

Uh, yeah it really is.

 

Not stupid at all.

 

It's the same principle.

 

Dombrowski should be balancing the long term with the short term.

[a700hitter]

Not stupid at all.

 

It's the same principle.

 

Dombrowski should be balancing the long term with the short term.

Very poor analogy.

[Nick]

There's no urgency for my retirement account to maxmize every year at 12/31. Annual cutoff is ARBITRARY. THE REAL CUTOFF FOR RETIREMENT IS WHEN YOU RETIRE.

 

Baseball is different. There's a champion crowned EVERY SINGLE YEAR. There's an award for finishing first with best rate of return. If you are going for that title, you may have a year when the return is negative.

 

YOU MAY HAVE THE BEST RECORD OVER TEN YEAR PERIOD (best retirement fund) BUT IF YOU CAN'T EVEN WIN ONE CHAMPIONSHIP, THEN I SAY YOU FAILED IN BASEBALL. AND MOST FANS WOULD AGREE. IT'S A TERRIBLE ANALOGY.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're talking about making sure you are financially set when you retire. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with a baseball team mostly because a single world series title is enough to live on in immortality. Doing a really good job on a company tax submission or balancing a previously unbalanceable budget doesn't allow you to live on in immortality. Also, your career typically starts slow and finishes at the apex. That doesn't happen with baseball teams. There is an ebb and a flow. The analogy is like comparing apples to *******s

[jacksonianmarch]

There's no urgency for my retirement account to maxmize every year at 12/31. Annual cutoff is ARBITRARY. THE REAL CUTOFF FOR RETIREMENT IS WHEN YOU RETIRE.

 

Baseball is different. There's a champion crowned EVERY SINGLE YEAR. There's an award for finishing first with best rate of return. If you are going for that title, you may have a year when the return is negative.

 

YOU MAY HAVE THE BEST RECORD OVER TEN YEAR PERIOD (best retirement fund) BUT IF YOU CAN'T EVEN WIN ONE CHAMPIONSHIP, THEN I SAY YOU FAILED IN BASEBALL. AND MOST FANS WOULD AGREE. IT'S A TERRIBLE ANALOGY.

 

thank you

[moonslav59]

Get the circumstances straight. You interjected in support of the person who credited Ben for Beckett. If you interject like that, it is a fair assumption that you agree with that person's opinion. maybe you should have stayed out of that one since you didn't agree with him?

 

I can see how my response looked like I supported the post on the Beckett trade, but it was not intended as such.

 

I give credit to Theo for that deal. I don't think they make it, if Theo was against it.

[a700hitter]

the analogy is like comparing apples to *******s

lol!

[moonslav59]

Ben has no control of anything with the Red Sox.

 

I meant DD. Thanks for catching my boo boo. I went back and edited.

[a700hitter]

I can see how my response looked like I supported the post on the Beckett trade, but it was not intended as such.

 

I give credit to Theo for that deal. I don't think they make it, if Theo was against it.

The rumor was that Theo was against it. I could be mistaken, but I thought Bill Lajoie promoted that trade.

[Kimmi]

When you make an analogy, that doesn't mean that the situations are supposed to be exactly alike.

 

The basic idea of balancing both the short term and long terms goals is very valid.

[a700hitter]

When you make an analogy, that doesn't mean that the situations are supposed to be exactly alike.

 

The basic idea of balancing both the short term and long terms goals is very valid.

It was a very faulty analogy.

[Spudboy]

lol.

[Bellhorn04]

Come on folks, it's almost Christmas, let's be a little more charitable toward each other. Kimmi's analogy may not have been perfect, but it doesn't warrant such abuse. It's like partisan politics here. You Americans are such hard-asses.

[a700hitter]

I called it faulty and poor. Does that make someone want to curl up into the fetal position?

[moonslav59]

With Papi retired, does anybody else see the idea of moving Pedey down in the order as a way to lengthen our line-up?

 

Of course, this is assuming Beni can win the lead off slot. Here's my reasoning:

 

1) Pedey's base running skills are not what they used to be. Only Papi had a worse Sox base running score on fangraphs than Pedey.

2) Bogey seems like the perfect number 2 hitter to me.

3) In small sample sizes Pedey actually has done very well from the 3 slot (.802 in 1226 PAs) and the 4 slot (1.054 in 152 PAs).

4) His 5 slot numbers (.750) aren't much worse than his 1 slot numbers (.770).

 

Assuming Beni is ready to lead off, I like this line-up:

 

1) Beni

2) Bogey

3) Betts

4) HanRam

5) Pedey

6) JBJ v R/Young v L

7) Pablo v R/JBJ v L

8) Moreland v R/Pablo or Holt v L

9) Leon-Vaz

 

Your thoughts?

[Nick]

People here simply want to sweep under the rug Bogey's struggle over the last two months of 2016. He is not deserving of #2 spot.

I'd prefer keeping Pedey leading off and Beni batting 2nd.

 

But most including Sox mgmt probably think that #2 is good spot for Xander. I have my concerns.

 

I also think Moreland should move up, #8 looks too low to me.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Nick

[moonslav59]

People here simply want to sweep under the rug Bogey's struggle over the last two months of 2016. He is not deserving of #2 spot.

I'd prefer keeping Pedey leading off and Beni batting 2nd.

 

But most including Sox mgmt probably think that #2 is good spot for Xander. I have my concerns.

 

I also think Moreland should move up, #8 looks too low to me.

 

I'd be fine with Beni 1st and Pedey 2nd, but I think Boegy will have a better OBP than Pedey next year, and he's a better base runner. I also think Pedey will have a higher SLG% than Bogey.

 

I'm not any more worried about Bogey's last two months than Pedey's last few years before 2016.

 

I could see flipping Moreland and Panda (7 & 8) but not ahead of JBJ vs RHPs.

 

I'm becoming a bigger and bigger believer in Panda, I guess- hoping he doesn't burn me.

[S5Dewey]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who gets involved in these pissing contests.

[Nick]

So who do we pick with our #26 pick? Let the future rebuild begin.

 

Picking Trey Ball was good decision. Sometimes going out on the limb gets you exactly what you deserve. Limb breaks off and then gravity kicks your ass.

 

I am optimistic about last year's picks. I think there are some high ceiling kids that no one is talking about.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Nick

[moonslav59]

I am optimistic about last year's picks. I think there are some high ceiling kids that no one is talking about.

 

I'm hopeful on Chatham & Dalbec, maybe Shawaryn. Groome is looking like a good pick, but it's early.

 

I'm not expecting a 12th pick like Groom to be available next year at #24, and even lower picks will be 12 picks lower next year.

 

I'm more hopeful with internationsl picks, but we'll see.

[Spudboy]

With Papi retired, does anybody else see the idea of moving Pedey down in the order as a way to lengthen our line-up?

 

Of course, this is assuming Beni can win the lead off slot. Here's my reasoning:

 

1) Pedey's base running skills are not what they used to be. Only Papi had a worse Sox base running score on fangraphs than Pedey.

2) Bogey seems like the perfect number 2 hitter to me.

3) In small sample sizes Pedey actually has done very well from the 3 slot (.802 in 1226 PAs) and the 4 slot (1.054 in 152 PAs).

4) His 5 slot numbers (.750) aren't much worse than his 1 slot numbers (.770).

 

Assuming Beni is ready to lead off, I like this line-up:

 

1) Beni

2) Bogey

3) Betts

4) HanRam

5) Pedey

6) JBJ v R/Young v L

7) Pablo v R/JBJ v L

8) Moreland v R/Pablo or Holt v L

9) Leon-Vaz

 

Your thoughts?

 

My thoughts?

 

First I would like an explanation of how FG has rated Pedrioa's base running so low? This, since you begin to justify your moves by stating that he is so poor a base runner.

 

He's never been a burner or even really fast. But he has always seemed to be smart when on base. Of course there is no way for a lay person such as myself to counter such lofty experts as FG.

 

What makes him so bad a base running?