Koji hurts pectoral

[jonnylongfella]

Quite frankly, your logic is skewed. Yes, Light pitched poorly, but it was an extremely small sample size. Ramirez, while still relatively small in sample size (but still 5x more innings than Light in the majors), has pitched poorly and is simply a AAAA pitcher. Light has better stuff.

 

And yes, it would be the Pat Light that, despite the walks at Pawtucket you reference, still owns a lower WHIP than Ramirez at the AAA level this year and a lower ERA to boot.

 

FYI, if you are going to use stats to make an argument, try using all of them, not just the few that attempt to prove your point. I would tend to argue that Ramirez has had more of a chance to show that he is NOT MLB quality than Light has.

[greenwell]

How about Joe Kelly

[jonnylongfella]

How about Joe Kelly

 

worth a shot. Ramirez is garbage. As I mentioned earlier, I wasn't necessarily advocating for Pat Light (i was just thinking about who was on the 40 man), I was more advocating for someone other than Noe.

[bowman]

I'd give Kelly one good look. Maybe he can perform out of the pen and not have to worry about hitters coming around on him after seeing him once. No question he can bring it, just wether will it work out of the pen better than what he's shown as a starter..

[Nick]

Interesting what John Farrell said about Kelly yesterday.

 

He is not on a major leaguer rehab......he's a AAA pitcher working as a relief pitcher.

[Maxbialystock]

Honestly, it was a real panic move for Farrell to keep trotting Koji out there.

 

Koji has thrown 28 pitches since July 9. He pitched last night, but Sunday and Monday off. He pitched Friday and Saturday, but after resting 6 days. I fail to see the panic in using Uehara last night.

[Maxbialystock]

I'd wait to hear what Jacko says about it before accepting this diagnosis. Is any injury to an overused 41 year old really a "freak injury?"

 

You keep saying overused. Based on what data?

[mvp 78]

Based on him being 41 and showing diminished velocity and effectiveness. Why have a guy like that set to throw 70 innings?

 

That's just asking for trouble.

 

All along, people have said to watch his workload. They give him the most appearances on the team. He gets injured. Where's the surprise?

[mvp 78]

Koji has thrown 28 pitches since July 9. He pitched last night, but Sunday and Monday off. He pitched Friday and Saturday, but after resting 6 days. I fail to see the panic in using Uehara last night.

 

Great, he got a break over the AS break while being pitched like a dog in the first half.

[Kimmi]

How about Joe Kelly

 

It sounds like Ramirez is a short term place holder until Tazawa returns on Friday. They didn't want to call Kelly up for 2 days, and I guess they're not ready to get rid of anyone else in the pen yet.

[jacksonianmarch]

The pec flexes the arm and internally rotates it. It certainly isn't a primary muscle for the act of throwing, but it is used to slow the arm down after a throw. So saying workload isn't a factor isn't correct. It's just surprising that the larger muscle used to slow the arm down went rather than the smaller muscles used to speed the arm up.

[User Name]

That tends to happen when mechanics break down because a pitcher is tired or sore. You pitched, think about it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Basically, the muscle's workload was too much for the muscle. Happens every time you pull something. That being said, if he tried to "muscle up" using bad mechanics, I could see how the pec gets involved. Either way, uf he doesn't pitch in a 4-0 game last night, he's available tonight. Look for an absence longer than 15 days, btw. Koji isn't the fastest healer

[Bellhorn04]

Either way, uf he doesn't pitch in a 4-0 game last night, he's available tonight.

 

And he still gets injured, just a day later.

[jacksonianmarch]

You don't know that

[Bellhorn04]

You don't know that

 

Right, nobody knows s*** - we're all just speculating. But I trust the ballclub to have a better read on it than us armchair wizards.

[jacksonianmarch]

So you trust Farrell to manage your bullpen?

[a700hitter]

Right, nobody knows s*** - we're all just speculating. But I trust the ballclub to have a better read on it than us armchair wizards.

My armchair has a higher IQ than Farrell.

[Spudboy]

My armchair has a higher IQ than Farrell.

 

lol

[mvp 78]

The pec flexes the arm and internally rotates it. It certainly isn't a primary muscle for the act of throwing, but it is used to slow the arm down after a throw. So saying workload isn't a factor isn't correct. It's just surprising that the larger muscle used to slow the arm down went rather than the smaller muscles used to speed the arm up.

 

But but but that's not what Dr Dojji said?!?

[Bellhorn04]

So you trust Farrell to manage your bullpen?

 

Farrell is doing fine managing the bullpen this year, with a lot of issues to deal with.

[mvp 78]

Farrell is doing a s*** job. Look at all the issues he's created!

[Bellhorn04]

Farrell is doing a s*** job. Look at all the issues he's created!

 

Such as?

[Dojji]

You don't know that

 

if the problem is mechanical or structural, it seems highly likely.

[Dojji]

Farrell is doing a s*** job. Look at all the issues he's created!

 

you mean the ordinary issues that happen when a bullpen is assembled using duct tape and bailing wire? Or hell, when an ordinary bullpen is used, period, and attrition happens? A few trips back and forth to the DL is pretty normal procedure for a reliever, it's more normal for it to happen at least once than for it not to.

 

Plan A went out the window before Opening Day even started, with the injury to Carson Smith. If you want the reason why a lot of our other bullpen stalwarts got used a lot more than they should have, that's a good place to start.

[User Name]

if the problem is mechanical or structural, it seems highly likely.

 

If the problem is mechanical, it's almost certainly an issue of overuse.

[jacksonianmarch]

I watched his pitch again and his motion. He violently stopped his arm rather than finish his follow through. That did it

[User Name]

Mechanical breakdown: Typical symptom of overuse issues. Not surprising for a 41-year-old guy making appearances like he's fresh out of college.

[Maxbialystock]

Based on him being 41 and showing diminished velocity and effectiveness. Why have a guy like that set to throw 70 innings?

 

That's just asking for trouble.

 

All along, people have said to watch his workload. They give him the most appearances on the team. He gets injured. Where's the surprise?

 

What velocity? His fastball has always been below 90 mph. What makes the fast ball effective is his control and his splitter, which, I agree, isn't what it was in 2013. I hear you on the age thing, but he is also being paid $9M/year, about the same as closer Kimbrel. Most teams like to have a set pattern for their best relievers--closer gets the 9th, best setup and occasional closer gets the 8th, etc.--when games are close. It sounds as though you believe that age alone should circumscribe how our presumed second best closer should be used. More importantly, you blame the injury on overuse when in fact every pitcher, young or old, is risking injury. Kimbrel is 14 years younger and on the DL after knee surgery.

[Bellhorn04]

Mechanical breakdown: Typical symptom of overuse issues. Not surprising for a 41-year-old guy making appearances like he's fresh out of college.

 

Koji was probably overused in April and May with a total of 21 IP. But in June and July he only had a total of 15 IP. That's very moderate usage. I'm not sure how you're supposed to plan around a reliever that you can only use sparingly with the number of innings that have to be covered. It's much easier said than done when you're trying to win games. IMHO.