07/17 - Red Sox @ Yankees We packed the broom, didn't we?

[TylerD]

f***. I'm gonna eat chocolate to settle me anger and nerves now

[TedWilliams101]

Oh, so it's Price you're complaining about tonight. What are the odds.

 

I know it's not his fault at all, but in my mind, Price has to pretty much match Lester, which, of course, I don't think there's any chance in hell he can or will do, (but i hope I'm wrong). This isn't like Jason Bay replacing Manny. Manny needed to go. Lester was a colossal f*ck up by the FO that I just won't let go because it was just so ridiculous. I don't care if I sound like that old-timer that who keeps talking about a 50 year old war. I'm a Lester fan and I'll never give the FO a pass for f*cking that up. Now we are stuck with Price when we should have the home-grown Lester.

 

As for the "just let it go" attitude, what drives the greatest performers is that the don't let anything go, and neither do I.

[TylerD]

It's not worth arguing peeps. Whether you agree or not Price hasn't been as good as most people thought he would SO FAR. With that said he hasn't been bad and definitely gives us a chance to win every time he is out there. It's games like tonight though against a bad offense that hurts a lot. He gave up a lot of pitches and didn't look comfortable right from the first inning. He will rebound.

 

Let's eat chocolate now!

[a700hitter]

I know it's not his fault at all, but in my mind, Price has to pretty much match Lester, which, of course, I don't think there's any chance in hell he can or will do, (but i hope I'm wrong). This isn't like Jason Bay replacing Manny. Manny needed to go. Lester was a colossal f*ck up by the FO that I just won't let go because it was just so ridiculous. I don't care if I sound like that old-timer that who keeps talking about a 50 year old war. I'm a Lester fan and I'll never give the FO a pass for f*cking that up. Now we are stuck with Price when we should have the home-grown Lester.

 

As for the "just let it go" attitude, what drives the greatest performers is that the don't let anything go, and neither do I.

The Lester thing was a colossal f*** up. I think the feeling on that is unanimous. Thank you, Ben.

[User Name]

I know it's not his fault at all, but in my mind, Price has to pretty much match Lester, which, of course, I don't think there's any chance in hell he can or will do, (but i hope I'm wrong). This isn't like Jason Bay replacing Manny. Manny needed to go. Lester was a colossal f*ck up by the FO that I just won't let go because it was just so ridiculous. I don't care if I sound like that old-timer that who keeps talking about a 50 year old war. I'm a Lester fan and I'll never give the FO a pass for f*cking that up. Now we are stuck with Price when we should have the home-grown Lester.

 

As for the "just let it go" attitude, what drives the greatest performers is that the don't let anything go, and neither do I.

 

You're annoying as f*** with your constant whining is what I'm saying. I don't give a s*** about all of that "I loved Lester

[TylerD]

Oh, so it's Price you're complaining about tonight. What are the odds.

 

The offense was hot garbage tonight but Price was far from good today. He wasn't horrible but in the end we lost... it was a combined effort, zero offense and Price didn't have his greatest game.

[User Name]

I'm not defending Price. I'm calling TW101 out on the fact that 90% of his posts are f***ing whining about something.

 

Price sucked today, and he needs to get his s*** together. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If Price isn't Price this season, we're done.

[TedWilliams101]

And since June 1 they've scored 22 runs for him in 9 starts (2.44 runs per start). 8 of those were in 1 game meaning in the other 8 starts it's 1.75 runs per game).

 

Basically there's been no in between with him on the mound; they've either scored a ton (as in his first 11 starts when they averaged almost 7 rpg) or very little as in the last 9.

 

He pitched well in that stretch, i had no complains. His stuff was good, great K/BB rate, etc etc. No complaints. Looking at him turning the corner. But this crappy Yankees lineup, he had nothing. I'm not just looking at the 3 runs, his stuff was flat, too much good contact, command was lacking. I'm just worried about him.

[Slasher9]

I am not worried. He gave us a chance to win. He wasn't in top form, but there was nothing there tonight to make anyone jump off a ledge.

 

Agreed.

[TedWilliams101]

You're annoying as f*** with your constant whining is what I'm saying. I don't give a s*** about all of that "I loved Lester

 

I just find the discussion over the issues and complaints far more interesting than just stroking about the good. We all know how good the three Bs are, it's just not an interesting discussion. It's just my mindset I guess, you don't improve by focusing on the good, you do by focusing on what isn't good. Not that I don't enjoy the hell out of this team this season, I just rather dig into the problems and bitch like a Bostonian than just go on and on about how awesome Mookie and the kids are.

 

Plus this is kind of an outlet when I happen to be bored and watching the game, hence when I post so rarely. If the game sucks, I'm not mood isn't going to be all rainbows and kittens. I'm a fan, that means fanatic, which involves a heavy flow of emotions. It is what it is.

[illinoisredsox]

I know it's not his fault at all, but in my mind, Price has to pretty much match Lester, which, of course, I don't think there's any chance in hell he can or will do, (but i hope I'm wrong). This isn't like Jason Bay replacing Manny. Manny needed to go. Lester was a colossal f*ck up by the FO that I just won't let go because it was just so ridiculous. I don't care if I sound like that old-timer that who keeps talking about a 50 year old war. I'm a Lester fan and I'll never give the FO a pass for f*cking that up. Now we are stuck with Price when we should have the home-grown Lester.

 

As for the "just let it go" attitude, what drives the greatest performers is that the don't let anything go, and neither do I.

 

W-L is not a good barometer but since you seemed solely on whether or not an ace wins or loses a game and you say Price has to match Lester:

 

Price with the Red Sox is 9-7 (.562 win percentage)

Lester since leaving the Red Sox is 26-20 (.565)

 

Seems like a close match to me. Like I said, I don't like W-L over such a small sample but you seem to be focused on it ...

[illinoisredsox]

He pitched well in that stretch, i had no complains. His stuff was good, great K/BB rate, etc etc. No complaints. Looking at him turning the corner. But this crappy Yankees lineup, he had nothing. I'm not just looking at the 3 runs, his stuff was flat, too much good contact, command was lacking. I'm just worried about him.

 

Then say that to start with. It just points out the vagaries of wins and losses. Price got several wins early on when he was pitching poorly but got bailed out by the offense. Lately he's been pretty good but has been victimized by poor support. Ironically the one time they got him some runs over the last month and a half was his worst outing of the season against Texas and they came back to bail him out.

 

Let's just hope 8 days off was too much and he'll be sharper next time out on more normal rest.

[SoxHop]

The Yanks may be down...... but sweeping them is another story. They still win 50 percent of their games.

 

We also may secretly butt fudged them another game thinking they are in this thing until to Balt comes in and takes another 2 our of 3. Or isn't that a 4 game series.

 

Price has struggled this year no doubt, but he's good enough even when bad to hang in there lately. I really think coming to Boston and stepping on the mound messes with pitchers heads for a while. Maybe a year..... look at Porcello.......

 

Tanaka is no joke........ he can shut down any team when he is on.........

 

Keep calm and keep winning series on........

 

Meat Loaf

 

[SoxHop]

You guys see that s*** in the threads below........ damn............ Youk is off his meds man.............. everyone lay low for a while.....

[SoxnCycles]

They got cocky with Lester, plain and simple. They thought they shat rainbows and unicorns when they offered him a terrible contract prior to 2014 after winning an improbable and insanely lucky title in 2013. That destroyed the trust. Then the trade happened, which moved him from Boston and destroyed any lingering thoughts of coming back. Then they lowballed him again in free agency. They tried to right the wrong with Price, but Price is not the kind of guy mentally to handle the pressure in the bean

 

Pretty much sums it up.

[Jack Flap]

Price was not good last night, but when we lose a 3-1 game my first instinct is generally not to blame the starting pitcher. Tanaka was sharp and the back of the Yankees' pen is just unfair. That's what happened last night.

 

I'll take the series win on the road.

[SoxnCycles]

The idea that "aces" win consistently with little run support is stupid. As I noted above Kershaw is 22-43 with run support of 2 or less runs. Baumgarner is 10-48. I think we would agree that both of them would be considered aces under any definition of the word.

 

Agreed that run support hosed the Sox last night.

But, do Kershaw and Bumgarner generally give up 11 hits in 5-2/3 and have their ERA's actually rise, during these losses?

Great pitchers all have games they rather forget about, but Price has had his share and the shares of one or two other pitchers this season.

That's a concern, IMO.

[mvp 78]

YOTN has spent countless hours making this site more enjoyable for everyone. He deserves a gift basket, not grief.

[SoxnCycles]

YOTN has spent countless hours making this site more enjoyable for everyone. He deserves a gift basket, not grief.

 

Dang, and I left my wallet at home...

[mvp 78]

Dang, and I left my wallet at home...

 

Well, it's a theoretical gift basket since he refuses to publish his home address due to his ongoing war with UN? The best we can do is hiring a skywriter.

[User Name]

They got cocky with Lester, plain and simple. They thought they shat rainbows and unicorns when they offered him a terrible contract prior to 2014 after winning an improbable and insanely lucky title in 2013. That destroyed the trust. Then the trade happened, which moved him from Boston and destroyed any lingering thoughts of coming back. Then they lowballed him again in free agency. They tried to right the wrong with Price, but Price is not the kind of guy mentally to handle the pressure in the bean

 

This is made up hoopla, Sigmund Dumb.

[User Name]

Well, it's a theoretical gift basket since he refuses to publish his home address due to his ongoing war with UN? The best we can do is hiring a skywriter.

 

Keep your piehole shut. He may have given up his address but you f***ed it up. Goddamnit MVP.

[mvp 78]

Keep your piehole shut. He may have given up his address but you f***ed it up. Goddamnit MVP.

 

If I let you murder YOTN, who would keep this place from turning into Manhattan Island from Escape from New York?

[User Name]

If I let you murder YOTN, who would keep this place from turning into Manhattan Island from Escape from New York?

 

I would supplant him obviously, and rule this place with an iron fist instead of the gentle, loving softness YOTN is known for.

[mvp 78]

I would supplant him obviously, and rule this place with an iron fist instead of the gentle, loving softness YOTN is known for.

 

You would need our benevolent overlord YZ to answer the red phone. I believe he's currently keeping it off the hook.

[Slasher9]

Price was not good last night, but when we lose a 3-1 game my first instinct is generally not to blame the starting pitcher. Tanaka was sharp and the back of the Yankees' pen is just unfair. That's what happened last night.

 

I'll take the series win on the road.

 

Hey FJ.

Or you can say tanaka pitched like an ace for 6 innings and after giving up an early run proceeded to shutdown the high octane offense of your rival for the rest of the game. Price did not pitch like an ace after getting an early run he proceeded to give up hard contact and one bad run scoring inning to a anemic offense. Our offense certainly didn't help him out and most definitely most/all of the blame goes to the offense but there are times where you hope/wish your ace can dominate and get you that 1-0 W....

[Bellhorn04]

You can certainly say that Tanaka outpitched Price decisively, especially considering we have a much better offense than the Yanks.

[Jack Flap]

I don't deny any of that, Slash & Bellhorn...it's just in close, low-scoring games like this, there's always a lot of "blame" (if you feel like assigning blame for a loss) to go around.

 

As I said, Price did not pitch well, but even if he went 8 innings with 2 runs and 12 K's or something, we still lose unless we can put some runs on the board.

[Maxbialystock]

Actually, a pretty interesting game. Price definitely didn't have his best stuff, but he and the bullpen still managed to hold the Yankees to 3 runs. This was one of those game when the Yankees pitching, Tanaka and their bullpen, was pretty darn good. HanRam and Ortiz each hit longish flies, but both were catchable. I was very impressed with how Miller worked the outside of the plate with that 95-96 mph fastball.

 

I personally find it hard to blame anyone on the Sox side. Price struggled, but still only gave up 3. The hitters were kept guessing by superior pitching. It's how games are lost--good pitching trumps good hitting most of the time. Our 1-7 hitters had one hit, the solo dinger by Pedroia. The other two hits were by Leon and Holt.

 

Remember my phony-baloney rule: the team whose pitchers have the best K/BB ratio is usually the team that wins.

 

Worth noting: of the 3 Yankee games, ERod by far pitched the best game. Both Wright and Price had bad innings, but the Sox still won it for Wright but not Price. I thought the key dingers in games 1 and 2 were by Shaw and Leon.

Edited July 18, 2016 by Maxbialystock

[d-money]

Well now i have to root for the yankees these 4 days coming up.