Red Sox Acquire Drew Pomeranz

[Hugh2]

What the f*** does that mean? Brock Holt is good and that year he deserved to be an all-star.

 

I'm saying you wouldn't trade one of the top prospects in all of baseball for him

[Northern Star]

Hasn't DD got a reputation for overpay/clear out the farm kind of deals?

[a700hitter]

Maybe our scouts determined that Espinoza is not as great as his press clippings and maybe they see something that they really like in Pomeranz. Let's hope so.

[croc]

Keith Law hates the deal. Sounds good to me,

[Northern Star]

I might like this trade more if Pomeranian was a more established SP regarding workload.

[Jasonbay44]

What the f*** does that mean? Brock Holt is good and that year he deserved to be an all-star.

 

No he didn't lol. Holt is a good player but him making All Star Game last year was a joke.

[NativeBostonian]

Good lord people. You bitch about the pitching staff all year long, then when they do something to fix it, you complain about that. Stop complaining and enjoy the ride to the World Series bitches.

[a700hitter]

GM fills a major hole and fans are jumping off roofs about 2020-21.

[Spudboy]

Sox still need another 3-5 starter.

[Hugh2]

Maybe our scouts determined that Espinoza is not as great as his press clippings and maybe they see something that they really like in Pomeranz. Let's hope so.

 

I mean, to be fair DD has a good reputation in the trade market but it's not a perfect record.

 

The knock on Espinoza has been his size, and that has had some concerned about his ability to go 200 innings at the MLB level. But others have said that his delivery is so smooth and controlled that they see him easily being able to handle those rigors despite his size. I hate comps, but for those reason many compared Espinoza to Pedro Martinez.

[bowman]

Lets go for the nut and include Will Myers in the trade and we toss in some more. Right now, at 20yrs old Kopech has a shot with throwing 105 MPH to be the new #1 prospect. If he has to hone in on another pitch, so what. He's has Texas ties just like Clemens. With the studs we have coming, Mancada, Benny, Devers, Kopech, and the offense we have right now, blue skies...... Come on guys think positive.....

[S5Dewey]

This is a win now trade, this is a classic give up way more future potential for the chance to win now. I hate it, I don't care if it give us a better chance to win this year.

 

Interesting. That's the same perspective I had a few years ago when we traded a certain SS. I hope this one works out as well.

[a700hitter]

Sox still need another 3-5 starter.

He still has 2 weeks to go to the trading deadline. Friday night they are handing the ball to ERod. It could be his last opportunity to impress. If he shits on the mound again, maybe DD makes a move for Hill.

[Northern Star]

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[moonslav59]

I'm just not buying the fact that our scouts and management went from not liking Pomeranz enough to out bid the Padres (who acquired Pomeranz from the A’s for Yonder Alonso and Marc Rzepczynski) to thinking he's worth Espinoza now after just 100 IP more or experience.

 

The more I think about it, the more I'm getting depressed.

 

I'm with Hugh on this one. I'd rather have gone much larger to get someone more established and less risky.

[Hugh2]

Interesting. That's the same perspective I had a few years ago when we traded a certain SS. I hope this one works out as well.

 

Iggy was never regarded as highly as Espinoza is now, and how has Iggy performed the last couple years? We also had Drew who was good in 2013 and Xander Bogaerts MLB ready and an All star now. We traded the best pitching prospect we had since Clemens for a guy on a career high, who has never pitched more than 150 innings in a season. We have 2.5 seasons of a guy who has never pitched more than 150 innings for a guy who has a better chance than anyone in the minors to be a true ace.

 

I get it, this is the price to pay if you're "going for it" but it's a steep price and I would have rather not paid it.

[Northern Star]

Good lord people. You bitch about the pitching staff all year long, then when they do something to fix it, you complain about that. Stop complaining and enjoy the ride to the World Series bitches.

 

Every fan base overvalues its better prospects.

[jacksonianmarch]

NS, Espinosa is a top 20 prospect. You deal those for guys with a track record. This guy is a two pitch pitcher who has been unable to stay healthy. He moves to Petco and is suddenly an ace. The timing of the deal is all you need to know as to why Espinosa was dealt. I think this guy is a bust waiting to happen, and you just dealt a guy who looks like a stud ace should he reach his ceiling. That being said, he's better than Buccholz

[Palodios]

Drew Pomeranz's turnaround this season came with the development of a plus cutter. He isn't just having a lucky season, he's a young pitcher who found himself.

 

27 year old arm, three years of control, decent groundball numbers. Maybe this doesn't turn into a complete disaster?

 

Considering that this team hasn't developed any elite pitchers in a long time, it seems like a massive overpay to trade away an ace-potential prospect for someone with such a short track record.

 

My grade: C-

[a700hitter]

NS, Espinosa is a top 20 prospect. You deal those for guys with a track record. This guy is a two pitch pitcher who has been unable to stay healthy. He moves to Petco and is suddenly an ace. The timing of the deal is all you need to know as to why Espinosa was dealt. I think this guy is a bust waiting to happen, and you just dealt a guy who looks like a stud ace should he reach his ceiling. That being said, he's better than Buccholz

Jacko thinks we got robbed so it must be a good deal for us, but he is certainly enjoying that you guys are pulling out your hair.

[Jasonbay44]

NS, Espinosa is a top 20 prospect. You deal those for guys with a track record. This guy is a two pitch pitcher who has been unable to stay healthy. He moves to Petco and is suddenly an ace. The timing of the deal is all you need to know as to why Espinosa was dealt. I think this guy is a bust waiting to happen, and you just dealt a guy who looks like a stud ace should he reach his ceiling. That being said, he's better than Buccholz

That's not saying much, if anything at all.. I would be more impressed if we found someone worse than Buchholz, Ubaldo Jimenez seems like a pretty safe choice to be worse.

[Spudboy]

NS, Espinosa is a top 20 prospect. You deal those for guys with a track record. This guy is a two pitch pitcher who has been unable to stay healthy. He moves to Petco and is suddenly an ace. The timing of the deal is all you need to know as to why Espinosa was dealt. I think this guy is a bust waiting to happen, and you just dealt a guy who looks like a stud ace should he reach his ceiling. That being said, he's better than Buccholz

 

More from the chart.

[Hugh2]

Heres a good read on what we just gave up.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/04/14/anderson-espinoza-confident-his-future/PuDSdooJtaVThs7s3HENSJ/story.html

[NativeBostonian]

Drew Pomeranz's turnaround this season came with the development of a plus cutter. He isn't just having a lucky season, he's a young pitcher who found himself.

 

27 year old arm, three years of control, decent groundball numbers. Maybe this doesn't turn into a complete disaster?

 

Considering that this team hasn't developed any elite pitchers in a long time, it seems like a massive overpay to trade away an ace-potential prospect for someone with such a short track record.

 

My grade: C-

 

For a while Owens was considered our future ace...Look how that turned out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pal, the cutter is only useful against righties in to keep them honest. A cutter is a type of fastball and doesn't change the plane. The only plane changing pitch he has is a big curveball. This is a massive overpay.

[a700hitter]

I am beating my chest and crying. What was so bad about Sean O'Sullivan?

[S5Dewey]

Iggy was never regarded as highly as Espinoza is now, and how has Iggy performed the last couple years? We also had Drew who was good in 2013 and Xander Bogaerts MLB ready and an All star now. We traded the best pitching prospect we had since Clemens for a guy on a career high, who has never pitched more than 150 innings in a season. We have 2.5 seasons of a guy who has never pitched more than 150 innings for a guy who has a better chance than anyone in the minors to be a true ace.

 

I get it, this is the price to pay if you're "going for it" but it's a steep price and I would have rather not paid it.

 

Let's not color this with 20-20 hindsight, ok?

 

We traded away the runner up Rookie of the Year SS, a player who had essentially everyone everywhere raving about his defense and was hitting >.300 with an OPS approaching .800 at the time of the trade. I hated it then and I still hate it. If the FO was hell-bent on trading Iggy they still didn't get enough for him.

 

How he has performed in the past few years is a patently unfair comparison because we don't know how Espinoza will fare in the next few years. A lot of these highly touted minor leaguers flame out. Let's pump the brakes a bit before we start thinking that we traded away the next Cy Young award winner. A lot can happen in the next few years.

 

And... if history means anything everyone will be saying that the trade was "worth it" regardless of how Espinoza pans out if the Sox win the WS.

[a700hitter]

Pal, the cutter is only useful against righties in to keep them honest. A cutter is a type of fastball and doesn't change the plane. The only plane changing pitch he has is a big curveball. This is a massive overpay.

massive for a guy that was a good shot to crack the 2020 staff.

[southpaw777]

Really like this move.

DD looking to keep his top two and is able to do just that. Espinoza may be a great pitcher in 3-4 years, but this guy is in his prime with a 2.5 era. We have him for his 28-30 years...Kopech will be here quicker and is looking like a potential front line starter. Agree ir not, hes the top pitching prospect now.

Makes me wonder if DD wants 3 LHP in his rotation. Im sure ERod may have some value to a lot of teams. Change of scenery maybe...Just throwing it out there as a possibility.

Bottom line is we have made our rotation better. We cant keep everyone and we have to give to get.

I think if another big move is made for a starter it will be this offseason.

[Hugh2]

For a while Owens was considered our future ace...Look how that turned out.

 

Owens was never considered a future ace, I've been following prospects and the Sox prospects for a long time now and the ones who were following around Owens always through around middle of the rotation starter tag on him. Also stating that he'd need to refine his command to reach that level.

 

People who don't follow prospects all that much and looked at his stats said he was a TOTRS, Espinoza has a ceiling that is much higher than Owens is or ever was.