07/10 Sox vs. Rays - Break out the brooms.

[mvp 78]

Guys, Buchholz's ERA is 4.34. What a bum, right!?!

 

Sike, that's Price's ERA!!!!

[Slasher9]

Guys, Buchholz's ERA is 4.34. What a bum, right!?!

 

Sike, that's Price's ERA!!!!

 

Awe so cute. Like a little puppy dog. Good boy

[Kimmi]

Price cruising now.....

 

He started off a little shaky in the early innings, but settled in very nicely. Great job by him. Great job by Ziegler. Great win. Great sweep. Great way to end the half and go into the All Star break.

[mvp 78]

Awe so cute. Like a little puppy dog. Good boy

 

I'm sorry, did I step in that turd of a post you made a few months ago?

[VA Sox Fan]

I'm sorry, did I step in that turd of a post you made a few months ago?

 

Really, what's the deal there? Seems out of the blue....

[Slasher9]

I'm sorry, did I step in that turd of a post you made a few months ago?

 

I'll just leave this right here for the ridulousness of it.

 

And separately are you really trying to make some sort of point to me over a 4.34 ERA? As if that is stellar?

[User Name]

Price ends the season under 3.50. Willing to sig bet.

[Thunder]

Price ends the season under 3.50. Willing to sig bet.

 

You're on.

[a700hitter]

Price ends the season under 3.50. Willing to sig bet.

But he stinks. He is the reason why we are not in first place ... no?

 

Even if you lose the 3.50 bet, the guy is still a #1 stud and he will not be part of the problem if this team fails.

[Kimmi]

But he stinks. He is the reason why we are not in first place ... no?

 

Even if you lose the 3.50 bet, the guy is still a #1 stud and he will not be part of the problem if this team fails.

 

Price is far from being the biggest concern on this team, but if he pitches in the 2nd half like he did in the 1st half and the team fails to make the playoffs, then he will most definitely be part of the problem. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

That said, I think Price will perform in the 2nd half like the ace we thought we were getting.

[a700hitter]

Price is far from being the biggest concern on this team, but if he pitches in the 2nd half like he did in the 1st half and the team fails to make the playoffs, then he will most definitely be part of the problem. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

That said, I think Price will perform in the 2nd half like the ace we thought we were getting.

He wasn't the problem in the first half of the season even though he didn't pitch like he usually does. As I have said before, even UN's one-eyed cat can see see that we have no #4 or 5.

[Spudboy]

He wasn't the problem in the first half of the season even though he didn't pitch like he usually does. As I have said before, even UN's one-eyed cat can see see that we have no #4 or 5.

 

You are pissing up a knotted rope.

 

I agree.

 

I would bet that if the Sox had solid ( as in league average ) 4 and 5 starters added to Porcello and Wright, and a "failing" Price, they would be at least as good and probably much better in the standings.

 

Unfortunately I have no stats to back up my belief. Only common sense.

[a700hitter]

You are pissing up a knotted rope.

 

I agree.

 

I would bet that if the Sox had solid ( as in league average ) 4 and 5 starters added to Porcello and Wright, and a "failing" Price, they would be at least as good and probably much better in the standings.

 

Unfortunately I have no stats to back up my belief. Only common sense.

If we had any degree of competence in the final 2 rotation spots, we would be blowing the doors of the division. The offense in the first half has been phenomenal. The top 4 batters in our lineup are hitting over .300 -- .304, .304. .329 and .332. I think it would be reasonable to expect that these numbers will fall back a little bit, and if they do people will jump to blame them -- the strongest part of the team. The problems with the team are obvious. The only question is whether DD can fix it. Yet people will look to blame our best pitcher, a 2 week batting slump or a couple of blown saves from our All Star closer. Ridiculous.

[Slasher9]

Price was our #4 starter in the first half. Apparently wright was our ace. We had no #2 (although porcello could make a case) and no #5. But who has a solid #5? A couple teams maybe....

[a700hitter]

Yes Price -- our #4. Such an astute observation.

[SoxnCycles]

You are pissing up a knotted rope.

 

I agree.

 

I would bet that if the Sox had solid ( as in league average ) 4 and 5 starters added to Porcello and Wright, and a "failing" Price, they would be at least as good and probably much better in the standings.

 

Unfortunately I have no stats to back up my belief. Only common sense.

 

I don't believe anyone has said othewise.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't believe anyone has said othewise.

 

A few people suggested maybe Price should be doing better than a 4.7 ERA and it was interpreted as blaming him for everything.

[a700hitter]

A few people suggested maybe Price should be doing better than a 4.7 ERA and it was interpreted as blaming him for everything.

Those people unequivocally identified Price as a problem.

[Bellhorn04]

Those people unequivocally identified Price as a problem.

 

But no one said he was the biggest problem.

[SoxnCycles]

Those people unequivocally identified Price as a problem.

 

Oh, the horror!

 

He was a problem.

And if he causes the team to lose more games in the second half, he'll be a problem again.

That's how it works.

[mvp 78]

But no one said he was the biggest problem.

 

I don't agree with this assertion.

 

When someone says "we need to fix our 4 and 5 starters" but another poster says "why are you worried about the 4 and 5 starters when Price is pitching like a 4" is basically putting the larger portion of the blame pie on Price.

[a700hitter]

But no one said he was the biggest problem.

And no one said that they said that.

 

Price is not a problem. Identifying him as any sort of problem is completely misguided. He is a top quality talent who will right his own course. We don't eve have names to pencil in for the 4th and 5th spots. if you check ahead for probable pitchers, you will frequently find TBA in those spots. There is the problem that needs fixing -- not Price.

Edited July 11, 2016 by a700hitter

[Hugh2]

No one person can be "the problem" on a 25 man team in which 1/2 of it contributes to every game every day. But when you pay a guy to be an ace, when you need an ace, and he comes in and pitches on the opposite side of that spectrum (he's been pitching like a BOTRS) he's part of the problem.

 

I never complained about Price though and will continue not to do so because I've noticed he's actually turned it around during the last half of the first half and I've had confidence all along he would do that.

[a700hitter]

Oh, the horror!

 

He was a problem.

And if he causes the team to lose more games in the second half, he'll be a problem again.

That's how it works.

And if he pitches like Sandy Koufax in the second half, it will not mean a thing if they don't fix the end of the rotation. We will not make the playoffs.

 

If DD fixes the 4 and 5 spots, we can still make the playoffs with a spotty Price, imo. So, I will stand by my assertion that Price is not a problem.

Edited July 11, 2016 by a700hitter

[SoxnCycles]

I don't agree with this assertion.

 

When someone says "we need to fix our 4 and 5 starters" but another poster says "why are you worried about the 4 and 5 starters when Price is pitching like a 4" is basically putting the larger portion of the blame pie on Price.

 

And who said that?

They need a 4 or 5 starter AND for Price to pitch up to his potential.

Not one or the other.

Not this or that.

BOTH.

Jesus, this is way past ridiculous...

[mvp 78]

Price is pitching like a #4/#5. that means we need to fix the TOTR. show me a world series team where the "Ace" had a 4.74 ERA for the season. but i can find a ton of WS teams that had terrible 4 & 5 starters during the season....

 

Is the above quote not stating that the 4/5 guys don't matter and that the ace is what needs to be fixed instead?

[Bellhorn04]

Is the above quote not stating that the 4/5 guys don't matter and that the ace is what needs to be fixed instead?

 

Fair enough, Slasher said that.

 

As Cycles said above, we need both to be better. Price looks like he'll hold up his end of the bargain.

[Bellhorn04]

We're really not that far away, either.

 

We're 11-8 in Price's starts. If we were 14-5 in his starts, we'd be in first place in the division.

[mvp 78]

Fair enough, Slasher said that.

 

As Cycles said above, we need both to be better. Price looks like he'll hold up his end of the bargain.

 

I completely agree. If the Sox fixed the 4/5 starters, but Price doesn't measurably improve, the Sox are DOA if they make the Wild Card.

 

They need Price to pitch better. They need to figure out the 4/5 slots. I'd add another bullpen arm too, because I wonder how Taz and Koji's arms will hold up.

 

If Holt is going to struggle with ongoing concussion symptoms, they should look to add a cheap backup OF as well.

[a700hitter]

We're really not that far away, either.

 

We're 11-8 in Price's starts. If we were 14-5 in his starts, we'd be in first place in the division.

But you are not pinning the blame on Price.