How Bad Are the Umps?

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Ive complained plenty about umpiring after a win and ive seen plenty others do it too.

Funny the only two posters who mention that are a Mariners fan and a MFY fan...

 

You are so full of BS.

 

Do you wear hip waders?

[CliffKlowers]

I come here expecting to hear Red Sox fans complaining about the umps after a Red Sox loss. That is par for the course and typical on a Red Sox forum. What I don't expect is to see posts from a Yankee fan who is not only on the wrong forum but is obviously obsessed with annoying Sox fans on their own forum. Doesn't he have a life? Why the hatred and need to irritate innocent people?

[Jasonbay44]

If you guys just ignore him, he'll get bored and go away. Its clear he's a troll, he is a Yankees fan on a Red Sox forum who makes very little quality posts, and makes comments/threads to draw reactions that he hopes will piss you off. If you are gonna troll, at least be funny. Here is some quality trolling/stupidity, take some notes from these experts:

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/8121-Inspirational-Story?highlight=inspirational+story

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16311-Daniel-Nava-Vs-Josh-Hamilton

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/12544-9-18-vs-Baltimore

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

I come here expecting to hear Red Sox fans complaining about the umps after a Red Sox loss. That is par for the course and typical on a Red Sox forum. What I don't expect is to see posts from a Yankee fan who is not only on the wrong forum but is obviously obsessed with annoying Sox fans on their own forum. Doesn't he have a life? Why the hatred and need to irritate innocent people?

 

Holy cow, someone needs to take a handful of growacet!

[SinceYaz]

(To clarify: I am being hyperbolic in the above post, to avoid hurt feelings)

 

LOL !!! Thank you, thank you, thank you. I feel like a dunce. I used the wrong word before and now I sit chagrined in my easy chair. Ever do that? Use the wrong word and feel it eats at one'w credibility?

[SinceYaz]

You are so full of BS.

 

Do you wear hip waders?

 

Babe,

 

Southie isn't lying. We HAVE, in former forums, discussed bad pitches before in winning efforts. As a matter of fact, no less than Pinstriped Zac was very willing to share kudos about that very thing. We, I, have made comments of game threads. The thread I started was solely about how terrible the umps were in the prior two games. I qualified my comments with that.

 

Waders aren't a bad thing, either. I'd love to be fishing.

[SinceYaz]

I come here expecting to hear Red Sox fans complaining about the umps after a Red Sox loss. That is par for the course and typical on a Red Sox forum. What I don't expect is to see posts from a Yankee fan who is not only on the wrong forum but is obviously obsessed with annoying Sox fans on their own forum. Doesn't he have a life? Why the hatred and need to irritate innocent people?

 

Cliff,

 

He's very good at incendiary comments. Just enjoy what you are able to. I no longer mind yacking on him, I mean with him, because in the end he is harmless. He didn't have enough nurture as a child, so he is out seeking more attention. Sad, he has chosen the "stale potato chip" avenue instead of more healthy means.

 

I am sure you know what the stale potato chip reference is. He wants attention so badly that if he were snacking, he'd be happy munching a stale chip and pass on perfectly fresh ones available in their proper place.

[SinceYaz]

If you guys just ignore him, he'll get bored and go away. Its clear he's a troll, he is a Yankees fan on a Red Sox forum who makes very little quality posts, and makes comments/threads to draw reactions that he hopes will piss you off. If you are gonna troll, at least be funny. Here is some quality trolling/stupidity, take some notes from these experts:

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/8121-Inspirational-Story?highlight=inspirational+story

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16311-Daniel-Nava-Vs-Josh-Hamilton

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/12544-9-18-vs-Baltimore

 

Solid.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Cliff,

 

He's very good at incendiary comments. Just enjoy what you are able to. I no longer mind yacking on him, I mean with him, because in the end he is harmless. He didn't have enough nurture as a child, so he is out seeking more attention. Sad, he has chosen the "stale potato chip" avenue instead of more healthy means.

 

I am sure you know what the stale potato chip reference is. He wants attention so badly that if he were snacking, he'd be happy munching a stale chip and pass on perfectly fresh ones available in their proper place.

 

Another internet Freud.

 

Swing and a miss, Skippy.

[southpaw777]

If you guys just ignore him, he'll get bored and go away. Its clear he's a troll, he is a Yankees fan on a Red Sox forum who makes very little quality posts, and makes comments/threads to draw reactions that he hopes will piss you off. If you are gonna troll, at least be funny. Here is some quality trolling/stupidity, take some notes from these experts:

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/8121-Inspirational-Story?highlight=inspirational+story

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16311-Daniel-Nava-Vs-Josh-Hamilton

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/12544-9-18-vs-Baltimore

 

 

Hey JB!

Im sure real soon YOTN and everyone here will start seeing his pattern and realize why he was permanently banned on BDC.

[S5Dewey]

Hey JB!

Im sure real soon YOTN and everyone here will start seeing his pattern and realize why he was permanently banned on BDC.

 

There were a couple of us who tried to tell folks here what was going to happen but they chose to pretty much ignore our experiences. I'm now going to just sit back, grin, and watch what develops.

[User Name]

Yeah what was actually said was that he had not exposed himself as a troll yet, but if he did, he'd get banned. We don't ban people here just because someone's complaining about them.

[S5Dewey]

Yeah what was actually said was that he had not exposed himself as a troll yet, but if he did, he'd get banned. We don't ban people here just because someone's complaining about them.

 

In reviewing this thread http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17668-Making-History there were three posters from BDC who were trying to alert the posters here that this guy is a troll. None of us said to ban him.

 

Later, one poster said that he may not be a troll but he's a provocateur, which IMO is a very close cousin to a troll. He can either be banned or you/we can put up with his trolling. As I said, sit back, grin, and see what develops.

[User Name]

Again, banning people here is based on actual behavior, not hearsay. If he's a troll, he'll get banned. It's the mod's/admin's decision either way. Twenty five posters from BDC, or DodgerBlues, or CardsNation can come in saying a poster is a troll, but if he's not trolling here, why would he be banned? What is this, a Kim Jong's reign?

[S5Dewey]

Again, banning people here is based on actual behavior, not hearsay. If he's a troll, he'll get banned. It's the mod's/admin's decision either way. Twenty five posters from BDC, or DodgerBlues, or CardsNation can come in saying a poster is a troll, but if he's not trolling here, why would he be banned? What is this, a Kim Jong's reign?

 

I think the question of whether he's trolling here has been answered. The only questions now are if and whether he gets banned.

 

As for me, this is my last post on this topic until he gets banned. In the meantime I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show while he aggrivates the Hell out of everyone!

 

Well...maybe I'll throw in an occasional "Tick... Tock... Tick... Tock" in respect to Kingface. What ever happened to Kingface, anyway? I hope he's ok.

[User Name]

Oh he'll get the boot. What I'm stating here are the actual guidelines for getting rid of those types of trolls. As Dojji said in that very thread, the mod team takes it time, but they're always weeded out. YOTN's on vacation IIRC, but he'll handle the situation one way or the other.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I've been keeping an eye on things, just not as closely as when I'm at home.

 

I have matured greatly in the ten years since I started moderating here. I tend not to make rash decisions anymore. I do not want to become the kind of internet moderator who bans everyone who annoys me. (If I did that, this site would just be me and a lot of inactive members). Trust me when I tell you I am making a note of everything that happens, and I will take action when or if I think it is necessary, based on my read of the situation, not the opinions of a bunch of people with preexisting grudges against someone. We had enough problems with the Dodger Blues crowd, I refuse to allow this board to become a stage for the rekindling of drama from another message board yet again.

[Kimmi]

Personally, I've never had a problem with Babe.

[Kimmi]

I've been keeping an eye on things, just not as closely as when I'm at home.

 

I have matured greatly in the ten years since I started moderating here. I tend not to make rash decisions anymore. I do not want to become the kind of internet moderator who bans everyone who annoys me. (If I did that, this site would just be me and a lot of inactive members). Trust me when I tell you I am making a note of everything that happens, and I will take action when or if I think it is necessary, based on my read of the situation, not the opinions of a bunch of people with preexisting grudges against someone. We had enough problems with the Dodger Blues crowd, I refuse to allow this board to become a stage for the rekindling of drama from another message board yet again.

 

Best Mod Ever!

[devildavid]

Why do I feel like part of the invading Barbarian horde?

[Kimmi]

On the topic of bad umps, first and foremost, I really, really hope we never see the day come where we have an automated strike zone. IMO, if the umps are not performing up to standards, give them the boot and hire other umps who can do a better job.

 

That said, the technology does currently exist to have a pretty good automated zone which adjusts to batter's crouches, etc.

 

In terms of the particular game in question, the umpiring was pretty terrible.

[User Name]

I've been keeping an eye on things, just not as closely as when I'm at home.

 

I have matured greatly in the ten years since I started moderating here. I tend not to make rash decisions anymore. I do not want to become the kind of internet moderator who bans everyone who annoys me. (If I did that, this site would just be me and a lot of inactive members). Trust me when I tell you I am making a note of everything that happens, and I will take action when or if I think it is necessary, based on my read of the situation, not the opinions of a bunch of people with preexisting grudges against someone. We had enough problems with the Dodger Blues crowd, I refuse to allow this board to become a stage for the rekindling of drama from another message board yet again.

 

Hell, he's pissing me off personally, but I understand and defend the process of how bannings (either temp or perm) are handled here.

[User Name]

On the topic of bad umps, first and foremost, I really, really hope we never see the day come where we have an automated strike zone. IMO, if the umps are not performing up to standards, give them the boot and hire other umps who can do a better job.

 

That said, the technology does currently exist to have a pretty good automated zone which adjusts to batter's crouches, etc.

 

In terms of the particular game in question, the umpiring was pretty terrible.

 

[Kimmi]

Why do I feel like part of the invading Barbarian horde?

 

You shouldn't David.

 

IMO, I think the biggest problem with the influx of BDC posters is that some of the posters are trying to make this forum just like BDC. This is Talksox, not BDC. Different rules, different moderation, different posters to interact with.

 

YOTN really and sincerely does an excellent job. IMO, he has been more than fair in enforcing the long standing rules and trying to get the new posters to understand them. He has not threatened anyone with being banned, nor has he deleted anyone's posts.

 

Rather than trying to make this a BDC board and community within Talksox, try accepting and adapting Talksox for the way it is. It is an excellent forum.

 

I am not speaking to you personally David, nor am I speaking to the majority of BDC posters. I think it's only a few, but those few have been persistent in trying to turn Talksox into BDC, which it is not.

 

Just my 2 cents, and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Personally, I've never had a problem with Babe.

 

Thanks Kimmi, I have always enjoyed your posts as well.

[Thunder]

So I guess taking a royal siesta for a week makes me miss out on all this juicy action. There's a reason why I don't like to post on all these in depth threads, because everyone always shoots down my perspective (rightfully so), but all matters aside, I don't like what has happened to this forum since everyone came over from BDC. Yes, about 95% of you are positive additions, bringing great new opinions on matters that are very important and very entertaining to have educated discussions about, but the 5% that don't meet these standards are really ruining this place IMO. It's not my place to speak up, but I suggest you take a good look at yourselves, evaluate your childish behavior on the Internet, fix it, or be booted. It's that simple. It shouldn't take the youngest user on this site to tell people that they need to grow up a little bit.

[Thunder]

Now, back to the topic of the thread: The umpiring. I cringe at all of these complaints since I am an umpire and know how hard it is to get every call exactly right. In fact, it is impossible. When I'm behind the plate, there are about 5 or 10 ball/strike calls that I wish I had called differently, but I can't do anything about it. When we screw up a play at the plate, or a play on the bases, and we know we screw it up, it's a terrible feeling, and we're told to let the manager rant for a little bit, because it's not his fault his team got screwed, it's ours. But to be fair, players and coaches arguing these calls do so in a way that is taking it over the line, thus warranting the ejection. The example I look back to is the May 6 Red Sox-Yankee game when Ron Kulpa cost the Sox the game in the 9th due to his low strike zone. Why did Ortiz get thrown out? Because he ran onto the field screaming at Kulpa looking like he wanted to rip his head off. Umpires throw players and managers out when they feel threatened by their personal safety. Ortiz was allowed some room to let out his frustrations after each of the two low strikes that Kulpa called. Ortiz then took it to an inappropriate level. The point I'm trying to make here is that it's a two way street. The umpires need the players/coaches to have some patience. We're human, and when we make mistakes, it irritates us more than the players.

[User Name]

That's why some people advocate for automated strike zones. We have the technology. Personally I'm torn. Maybe they could keep the umpires and give them some sort of way to use the system to make their calls at the MLB level?

[Youk Of The Nation]

So I guess taking a royal siesta for a week makes me miss out on all this juicy action. There's a reason why I don't like to post on all these in depth threads, because everyone always shoots down my perspective (rightfully so), but all matters aside, I don't like what has happened to this forum since everyone came over from BDC. Yes, about 95% of you are positive additions, bringing great new opinions on matters that are very important and very entertaining to have educated discussions about, but the 5% that don't meet these standards are really ruining this place IMO. It's not my place to speak up, but I suggest you take a good look at yourselves, evaluate your childish behavior on the Internet, fix it, or be booted. It's that simple. It shouldn't take the youngest user on this site to tell people that they need to grow up a little bit.

 

No one is ruining this place, it's just the typical "settling in" problems that result from this kind of situation. It'll all smooth out after time.

 

Back onto the subject, I can't provide any serious mathematical support for my position because I don't know enough about the intricacies of the pitch-zone calculations and all of the associated scientific minutiae. All I can say is I would never, ever want robot umpires. Instant replay is fine with me, but balls and strikes should always include the human element. If you start having a computer call the balls and strikes, then you're a step away from having sensors installed in the bases and fielder's gloves so a computer can make safe/out calls.

 

Every sport should always have a human being who is not associated with either team, either on the field or on the sidelines, to supervise. Robot umpires leaves just the teams on the field with no supervision. Computers can't supervise. They can't issue warnings, eject people, or be polite about giving a guy a second to recover from fouling a ball off of his foot.

 

Increasing the level of technology in a game is not always the best idea. If we keep adding things until there is nothing left to add, in fifty years there might be no players! We'll just input a bunch of data into a computer and it will simulate a season's worth of games and tell us who won the championship. (It still won't be the Cubs).

 

Okay, I'm exaggerating, but still. The human element, with it's potential for error, is part of the tapestry that makes baseball so interesting and entertaining. Yes, the umps make mistakes, but the largest ones (fair/foul HRs, SBs, safe/out calls on the bases, et cetera) have been largely eliminated with IR, which only adds two or three minutes to a game. But to make B/S calls as perfect as possible, you'd need replay, which is impractical at 300 pitches in a game between both teams, or computers, which I personally believe would make baseball feel less like a game and more like a bunch of guys working in a factory supervised by a supercomputer.

[Thunder]

That's why some people advocate for automated strike zones. We have the technology. Personally I'm torn. Maybe they could keep the umpires and give them some sort of way to use the system to make their calls at the MLB level?

 

The problem with that is some douchebags like Bryce Harper would still throw a tantrum when he gets called out on a pitch just catching the inside corner to end an ST game, never mind a playoff game.