2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[Jack Flap]

Yeah, the haul the Yankees got for Chapman is scary...imagine if they decide to move Miller after all, too.

 

Kimbrel should be back soon, it sounds like. Dave did a great job striking early to land Ziegler, and with the Pomeranz deal and the apparent re-emergence of E-Rod we have the makings of a solid rotation at last. I don't see us needing to make another major move at this point, unless something favorable drops into our laps.

[SoxnCycles]

Man, ain't that the truth. The haul for Chapman is a mind-blower.

 

Makes the Pomeranz trade look pretty good.

 

Yup, between Pomeranz's performance last night and what the Cubs gave up for Chapman, I'm feeling better about it.

Makes it tough for the Sox to get any more BP help though.

 

Kelly needs to get his head on straight and help out the bullpen.

[Jack Flap]

Honestly, I sometimes don't even know what to make of your posts. You can't be serious with this.

 

I assumed absolutely none of that was serious, but whatever.

[mvp 78]

the next 5 days are going to be fun.

 

They always are even if the Sox don't make any moves.

[Kimmi]

the next 5 days are going to be fun.

 

I hate this period right before the deadline. I also hate the Hot Stove. All of the rumors and speculation drive me crazy.

[Kimmi]

Yeah, the haul the Yankees got for Chapman is scary...imagine if they decide to move Miller after all, too.

 

Kimbrel should be back soon, it sounds like. Dave did a great job striking early to land Ziegler, and with the Pomeranz deal and the apparent re-emergence of E-Rod we have the makings of a solid rotation at last. I don't see us needing to make another major move at this point, unless something favorable drops into our laps.

 

My only concern now is lack of starting rotation depth. Pomeranz and Wright may both have innings limitations. Buchholz is our #6 right now. I would feel a lot better if we could acquire another starter. We don't need a big name, but I think we do need some quality depth.

[Slasher9]

if trading Moncada + Beni for a SP right now resulted in a WS victory this season - would you do it?

[mvp 78]

if trading Moncada + Beni for a SP right now resulted in a WS victory this season - would you do it?

 

Only for a one time competitive team that doesn't compete next year or the next few?

 

I'd say no since we already have 3 recent WS rings. 2013 was great! 2012, 2014 and 2015 were trainwrecks that I don't want to repeat.

[Jack Flap]

if trading Moncada + Beni for a SP right now resulted in a WS victory this season - would you do it?

 

Not enough info to answer, IMO. Who is the SP? How many years of control? Are we talking about an ace, or a marginal upgrade like 2013 Jake Peavy?

 

I disagree that the notion that winning a WS automatically justifies any move made along the way. We won after trading for Peavy, but I don't think that means it would have been a good trade if we'd given Bogaerts or Betts for him.

[mvp 78]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/cashman-aroldis-chapman-trade-andrew-miller-Guardians-red-sox-pitching-royals-wade-davis-asking-price-trade-deadline-rumors.html

 

Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski suggested today that the action is heating up, but that his team isn’t close to striking any major new deals, as Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe reports (Twitter links.) Boston’s chief baseball decisionmaker said that he has fielded five new trade proposals today alone, with other organizations seemingly looking to make off with some of the team’s prime prospect assets. But while ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark cited rivals as suggesting that the Sox were aiming to do “something big,” via Twitter, Dombrowski said that the team doesn’t feel pressure to pull off another move.

One area that the Red Sox have some obvious room for improvement is the bullpen, particularly with Koji Uehara looking like a major question mark down the stretch and Craig Kimbrel still working his way back. But with Kimbrel seemingly progressing well, Dombrowski suggested that the organization doesn’t feel compelled to add relief help, as Abraham further tweets.

Meanwhile, though Red Sox righty Clay Buchholz isn’t filling much of a present role, Dombrowski says that he’s still an important part of the team’s rotation depth, as Jen McCaffrey of MassLive.com reports. With Dombrowski also saying he is impressed with the way Buchholz is throwing the ball, it doesn’t seem as if there’s any momentum towards a deal involving the veteran.

[Slasher9]

Not enough info to answer, IMO. Who is the SP? How many years of control? Are we talking about an ace, or a marginal upgrade like 2013 Jake Peavy?

 

I disagree that the notion that winning a WS automatically justifies any move made along the way. We won after trading for Peavy, but I don't think that means it would have been a good trade if we'd given Bogaerts or Betts for him.

 

for arguments sake lets say it's King Felix. the trade for him is the only reason we make the postseason. he dominates in the postseason and in Game 7 of the WS he pitches a CG shutout and we win 1-0 (on a Papi HR of course). but during the offseason he blows out an elbow and never throws another pitch.

would you do it?

[Slasher9]

Only for a one time competitive team that doesn't compete next year or the next few?

 

I'd say no since we already have 3 recent WS rings. 2013 was great! 2012, 2014 and 2015 were trainwrecks that I don't want to repeat.

 

see above post i just made in response to FJ.

as for competing...remember we arent giving up any of the B's.

[Bellhorn04]

for arguments sake lets say it's King Felix. the trade for him is the only reason we make the postseason. he dominates in the postseason and in Game 7 of the WS he pitches a CG shutout and we win 1-0 (on a Papi HR of course). but during the offseason he blows out an elbow and never throws another pitch.

would you do it?

 

Under this particular scenario I would say no. Because getting King Felix and then having his career end like that would be a colossal downer. Plus we'd have to pay him 80 million after 2016.

[S5Dewey]

Not enough info to answer, IMO. Who is the SP? How many years of control? Are we talking about an ace, or a marginal upgrade like 2013 Jake Peavy?

 

I disagree that the notion that winning a WS automatically justifies any move made along the way. We won after trading for Peavy, but I don't think that means it would have been a good trade if we'd given Bogaerts or Betts for him.

 

It wasn't even a good trade giving up Iggy for Peavy. We traded the runner up ROY SS (SS no less!) for an aging pitcher on the downside of his career.

 

Moon has made a believer out of me when he says that the FO had decided Bogaerts was the SS of the future and that made Iggy expendable. I can live with that. But to trade Iggy for Peavy was lunacy. The Sox didn't get nearly enough for their young SS.

[S5Dewey]

if trading Moncada + Beni for a SP right now resulted in a WS victory this season - would you do it?

 

Nope. Not me.

 

I'm trying to keep this season in some sort of perspective. This team finished last the past two years and to expect another WS victory this year is asking a lot. This could/should be a building year, a year when we build for the future and building for the future includes keeping as many top-flite MiL's as we can while they mature. What's going on this year is, as a friend of mine would say, "gravy on the cake".

 

I have no interest in going through 2013, 14, & 15 again even with the WS victory in 2013.

[Bellhorn04]

It wasn't even a good trade giving up Iggy for Peavy. We traded the runner up ROY SS (SS no less!) for an aging pitcher on the downside of his career.

 

Moon has made a believer out of me when he says that the FO had decided Bogaerts was the SS of the future and that made Iggy expendable. I can live with that. But to trade Iggy for Peavy was lunacy. The Sox didn't get nearly enough for their young SS.

 

As Theo Epstein just reminded us, when you're shooting for a ring you may have to overpay quite a bit.

[S5Dewey]

As Theo Epstein just reminded us, when you're shooting for a ring you may have to overpay quite a bit.

 

IMO Theo fleeced the Y's in a big way. Now pardon me while I :D

[Jack Flap]

for arguments sake lets say it's King Felix. the trade for him is the only reason we make the postseason. he dominates in the postseason and in Game 7 of the WS he pitches a CG shutout and we win 1-0 (on a Papi HR of course). but during the offseason he blows out an elbow and never throws another pitch.

would you do it?

 

Yeah, I wouldn't do that.

 

1) I know it was just an example, but Felix is paid a lot and really isn't the ace he was a few years ago, and

2) Moncada and Benintendi should soon help us contend for 6-7 postseasons.

 

 

And I knew I shouldn't have even mentioned Peavy....now I've gone and set S5 off.

[Eddy Ballgame]

It wasn't even a good trade giving up Iggy for Peavy. We traded the runner up ROY SS (SS no less!) for an aging pitcher on the downside of his career.

 

Moon has made a believer out of me when he says that the FO had decided Bogaerts was the SS of the future and that made Iggy expendable. I can live with that. But to trade Iggy for Peavy was lunacy. The Sox didn't get nearly enough for their young SS.

 

Jose Freaking Iglesias?! Are you serious?! Peavy filled a void left by Buchholz when he got injured and Peavy was the perfect guy to give the players a mental boost at the deadline.

 

On top of that, all flash/no substance Iglesias with the 600 OPS made a huge error during the Red Sox World Series run that year. He makes the great plays once in a while, but he's about as overrated as it gets in my opinion.

 

I remember reading how Pedroia wanted to strangle Iglesias on a weekly basis for his non-chalant play. As a matter of fact, Remy mentioned it last night after Iglesias' s*** throw to first after he caught a line drive.

 

The Sox have an all-world SS who is only getting better and you're upset Jose Iglesias was traded? That's a new one.

[cp176]

if trading Moncada + Beni for a SP right now resulted in a WS victory this season - would you do it?

 

I really think that these types of decisions would be easier if the positional status of some of our best prospects looked a little clearer. Moncada? Devers? Travis? Will Shaw stay at third or go to first. Who catches going forward and what the hell becomes of one of your best talents in Swihart? Does Ramirez become your next dh or will it be someone like Encarnarcion (hope it does). I dunno - in some respects, if you don't really know who is going to be where maybe the best thing is to trade someone while their stock is up. I would hate to see us lose a good one but they all ain't play first or third. I didn't mention Benintendi here simply because his path to the bigs looks clearer. Some of these guys might be just too talented to stockpile. Nothing rash needs to be done right now. We aren't all that bad.

[mvp 78]

Under this particular scenario I would say no. Because getting King Felix and then having his career end like that would be a colossal downer. Plus we'd have to pay him 80 million after 2016.

 

I'm with Bell.

[Kimmi]

for arguments sake lets say it's King Felix. the trade for him is the only reason we make the postseason. he dominates in the postseason and in Game 7 of the WS he pitches a CG shutout and we win 1-0 (on a Papi HR of course). but during the offseason he blows out an elbow and never throws another pitch.

would you do it?

 

That's a tough question. I am against the 'win now at any cost' mentality and I am against gutting the farm. However, much of my reasoning is due to the fact that a WS is never guaranteed. If the WS were guaranteed, I'd be inclined to say yes, but that is not a resounding yes.

[Slasher9]

in my scenario i absolutely 100% trade the 2 top tier prospects for a guaranteed parade.

in 1919 after winning 5 of the first 16 WS ever played someone probably would have said "pass" on the guarantee.

[Jack Flap]

That's a tough question. I am against the 'win now at any cost' mentality and I am against gutting the farm. However, much of my reasoning is due to the fact that a WS is never guaranteed. If the WS were guaranteed, I'd be inclined to say yes, but that is not a resounding yes.

 

That's the thing...hypotheticals like this are fun, I suppose, but they really have no real-world application. We could trade for Trout, Sale, Stanton, and Lucroy tomorrow (assuming we had the assets and opportunity to do so) and not be guaranteed a single thing.

[Bellhorn04]

in my scenario i absolutely 100% trade the 2 top tier prospects for a guaranteed parade.

in 1919 after winning 5 of the first 16 WS ever played someone probably would have said "pass" on the guarantee.

 

If you hadn't thrown in the part about Felix blowing out his arm I would have said yes.

[Hugh2]

I have little issue with win now!!! but not at all costs. It's like betting big when you're at the casino, you can't play if you don't win buy losing some money isn't a big fear if you came with plenty to play. But if it's 2 A.M. and you've spent a lot of your chips, you may want to walk away instead of going over to the ATM and emptying the rest of your bank account.

 

It's nice to have prospects to deal, but you can't completely empty your farm in todays game without real sever long term ramifications. I think we reap what we've sown at this point, and that might not be a bad thing. Pom looked great last night while Wright and Porcello still look strong and I still believe in Price and E-Rod to some extent helping us down the stretch. Despite last nights performance you know this team is going to win you some games with the offense alone, and they have some reinforcements coming off the D.L. as well. Kimbrel being one them.

[moonslav59]

It wasn't even a good trade giving up Iggy for Peavy. We traded the runner up ROY SS (SS no less!) for an aging pitcher on the downside of his career.

 

Moon has made a believer out of me when he says that the FO had decided Bogaerts was the SS of the future and that made Iggy expendable. I can live with that. But to trade Iggy for Peavy was lunacy. The Sox didn't get nearly enough for their young SS.

 

Peavy got us Hembree, so we essentially traded Iggy for Hembree + a so-so year from Peavy.

 

I was against the trade at the time, but as you pointed out, I knew Iggy was never going to be given the FT SS job, so I understood why the deal was made.

 

BTW, his OPS with Detroit has been .686 not .600 as someone stated.

[moonslav59]

Nope. Not me.

 

I'm trying to keep this season in some sort of perspective. This team finished last the past two years and to expect another WS victory this year is asking a lot. This could/should be a building year, a year when we build for the future and building for the future includes keeping as many top-flite MiL's as we can while they mature. What's going on this year is, as a friend of mine would say, "gravy on the cake".

 

I have no interest in going through 2013, 14, & 15 again even with the WS victory in 2013.

 

Agreed. One WS ring is not worth giving up Moncada and Beni's combined 10+ seasons of team control.

 

Plus, one pitcher rarely is the only (or even main) reason anyone wins a ring. Beckett came close in 2007, Schill in 2004, but I plan on being a Sox fan for many more years.

[Eddy Ballgame]

I was against the trade at the time, but as you pointed out, I knew Iggy was never going to be given the FT SS job, so I understood why the deal was made.

 

BTW, his OPS with Detroit has been .686 not .600 as someone stated.

 

I can understand why some people would be pissed off at the time of the trade, especially if they didn't know much about Xander Bogaerts, but to say that making that trade was "lunacy" at this point in time, seems to be, well, "lunacy."

 

The Red Sox won the World Series "with some help from Iglesias defense" & Peavy certainly helped out when Buchholz went down. Some pitchers even said he was like having a 2nd pitching coach in the dugout.

 

Iglesias has lost a lot of time due to injury, he's had attitude issues, he has an OPS below .690 & the metrics aren't loving his defense, while the Red Sox have a much better all around SS. Just surprised anyone can look back at that trade and not love it.

[bowman]

We've had a lot of can't miss prospects over the years that missed. Once in a while one comes along that is a franchise player. Look back to the gold dust twins Lynn and Rice. The hype with them in the line up was crazy. Still early in the game, but with the killer B's Betts, Bogie, and Bradley at such a young age were pretty lucky. People keep going back and forth on Moncada or Benny being traded for a starter. There is no way of knowing right now how good they will be. If you trust your baseball IQ and really believe that Moncada is the cream of the crop, you would have to be a fool to let him go. Right now we have a lot of talent in our rotation, but things aren't clicking for a few of them. Personally if I was going to trade guys like that it would be for a young stud like Arenado and have him at 3b. You have to keep the main core of young star players together and enjoy them mature.