Referendum on John Farrell

[a700hitter]

Generalization does create a lot of confusion. If someone has a beef about a specific post, they should respond directly to that post - like you did with Slasher's post.

Yes. Taking issues with perceived philosophies usually miss the mark, because no one ascribes to the general perceived philosophy as it is usually exaggerated, inaccurate and colored with bias. So taking issue with generalized philosophies is taking issue with nothing.

[Dojji]

Except actions speak louder than philosophies. I care a lot more about the philosophy you act on than what you say with your words that you believe, and the two are never quite the same thing.

[a700hitter]

Except actions speak louder than philosophies. I care a lot more about the philosophy you act on than what you say with your words that you believe, and the two are never quite the same thing.

I don't even know what you mean by that, but if you are criticizing actions, you shouldn't need generalizations about philosophies.

[Dojji]

Even when it's the actions of a group? Come on a700, I respect your intelligence too much to let you get away with that one.

[a700hitter]

Even when it's the actions of a group? Come on a700, I respect your intelligence too much to let you get away with that one.

No one here belongs to a group. Don't be lazy, Doji. If you have a problem with what someone says, address it. Don't paint with a broad brush.

[Spudboy]

What in the wide world of sports is a goin' on here?

[a700hitter]

What in the wide world of sports is a goin' on here?

Just bickering to pass the time.

[User Name]

Why is this argument even a thing?

[a700hitter]

Why is this argument even a thing?

It is just bickering at this point. Southpaw stated his point of view and Bells felt the need to stir things up.

[devildavid]

I don't like the way Farrell stands and watches the game. He doesn't rock back and forth and spit enough.

[a700hitter]

I don't like the way Farrell stands and watches the game. He doesn't rock back and forth and spit enough.

I disagree. I think that he spits plenty. Such a hater!

[Spudboy]

Why is this argument even a thing?

 

That's what I was asking.

[Spudboy]

I don't like the way Farrell stands and watches the game. He doesn't rock back and forth and spit enough.

 

I've noticed this as well.

 

At the very least he has to eat more Sunflower seeds.

[Slasher9]

I disagree. I think that he spits plenty. Such a hater!

 

Only when the Sox win. When they lose he doesn't spit enough and costs us a W.

[a700hitter]

Only when the Sox win. When they lose he doesn't spit enough and costs us a W.

I'll let you know when that happens. I haven't seen that yet.

[Slasher9]

Keep looking. JF schooled Girardi in 4 straight.

[a700hitter]

He did a good job this weekend.

[cp176]

Farrell might look a lot better in general if the Sox could use a 100 man roster - which would include a 50 man bullpen. Nowadays if you can limp into September with any hope at all, you still got a chance.

[Bellhorn04]

Farrell might look a lot better in general if the Sox could use a 100 man roster - which would include a 50 man bullpen. Nowadays if you can limp into September with any hope at all, you still got a chance.

 

That's one way to look at it, although in theory the relievers we called up aren't as good as the ones we already had. In August everyone was calling our bullpen garbage. In September they're great. Gotta love this game.

 

Poster sk7326 said that when we got Koji back things would look up...he was prescient on that one.

[southpaw777]

Still dont like him..

Bullpen has looked extraordinary this month. Bats have come alive. Hopefully Farrell doesnt make as many bonehead moves so t our team can keep winning despite him:p

[User Name]

Koji looks f***ing vintage right now, goddamn.

[Spudboy]

Koji looks f***ing vintage right now, goddamn.

 

Yes, he does.

 

Taz is looking back in form as well in his most recent six outings.

 

I say bring them both back. Although with a lesser contract for Koji.

[southpaw777]

Yes, he does.

 

Taz is looking back in form as well in his most recent six outings.

 

I say bring them both back. Although with a lesser contract for Koji.

 

What do you think they would, or should, offer Taz?

Not sure I bring him back, but I would bring Koji back for a year. Maybe closer to 2-4M+Incentives

[a700hitter]

Koji can still look good, but at his age the consistency may not be there. Also, he was lucky that Sanchez didn't elevate the pitch he hit for a single. It was a meatball.

[Wade Boggs]

Koji can still look good, but at his age the consistency may not be there. Also, he was lucky that Sanchez didn't elevate the pitch he hit for a single. It was a meatball.

 

 

That 2-0 pitch was a mistake. The punch out of Romine before that was 2013 all over again.

[sk7326]

Koji can still look good, but at his age the consistency may not be there. Also, he was lucky that Sanchez didn't elevate the pitch he hit for a single. It was a meatball.

 

He made a mistake and lucked out - but that happens. He is pounding the strike zone again and the location is a lot better than it was earlier in the season.

 

What is nice is that the bullpen has started to round into form. Hell, Tazawa seems to be finding his legs also. Scott may or may not have supplanted Abad as the the LOOGY of choice - but it is a fair question. Farrell has managed the pen very well lately.

[Maxbialystock]

Fascinating. I maybe have precipitated some of the above by attacking station 13 for his opinion about last Thursday's game decisions instead of doing what what illinoisredsox did, which was to explain what he thought Farrell had done right.

 

I continue to believe that most managers make reasonable game decisions because to me it's not rocket science. Some are more aggressive with their bullpens, but that is usually because they have good ones. For most of this season, we did not. In September we not only picked up a bunch of arms because of the roster expansion everyone had, but brought back some good arms like Uehara, Kelly, and Ziegler, who have clearly made a difference. Now, amazingly, the bullpen is borderline fantastic, regardless of who goes out there. In the Yankees series we had 2 (3?) starters falter, but who got pulled early, and the lineup made up the difference while the bullpen held the Yankees back. I don't think any of that makes Farrell a genius, but only shows how effective any manager can be when the bullpen is shutting the opposition down.

 

Girardi, I hasten to add, benefitted earlier this season from a fantastic bullpen. Now he has a lousy one and it shows.

 

Spudboy quoted Whitey Herzog who said that the difference between a good manager and a bad one was a great bullpen, and right now that's looking awfully true.

[Bellhorn04]

Fascinating. I maybe have precipitated some of the above by attacking station 13 for his opinion about last Thursday's game decisions instead of doing what what illinoisredsox did, which was to explain what he thought Farrell had done right.

 

I continue to believe that most managers make reasonable game decisions because to me it's not rocket science. Some are more aggressive with their bullpens, but that is usually because they have good ones. For most of this season, we did not. In September we not only picked up a bunch of arms because of the roster expansion everyone had, but brought back some good arms like Uehara, Kelly, and Ziegler, who have clearly made a difference. Now, amazingly, the bullpen is borderline fantastic, regardless of who goes out there. In the Yankees series we had 2 (3?) starters falter, but who got pulled early, and the lineup made up the difference while the bullpen held the Yankees back. I don't think any of that makes Farrell a genius, but only shows how effective any manager can be when the bullpen is shutting the opposition down.

 

Girardi, I hasten to add, benefitted earlier this season from a fantastic bullpen. Now he has a lousy one and it shows.

 

Spudboy quoted Whitey Herzog who said that the difference between a good manager and a bad one was a great bullpen, and right now that's looking awfully true.

 

I for one am thrilled to see the Yankees having bullpen problems. For a while there it looked like they might be having 'the best of both worlds' by trading Chapman and Miller for a haul of prospects, and then winning games at a higher rate than they were before the deadline. Now those moves are hurting them, for this year at least. Seems only fair.

[Emp9]

Still dont like him..

Bullpen has looked extraordinary this month. Bats have come alive. Hopefully Farrell doesnt make as many bonehead moves so t our team can keep winning despite him:p

 

So, don't PR Koji I take it?

[cp176]

That's one way to look at it, although in theory the relievers we called up aren't as good as the ones we already had. In August everyone was calling our bullpen garbage. In September they're great. Gotta love this game.

 

Poster sk7326 said that when we got Koji back things would look up...he was prescient on that one.

 

i absolutely believe that pitching less often to a fewer number of hitters can have dramatic effects. it is unbelievable the number of relief pitchers that are being used daily now. A normally good solid arm has to look better with adequate rest. a slightly below average arm can often get a job done if the job isn't a big one. Such as being asked to face one or two batters as opposed to being expected to pitch multiple hitters. The people that we have relied on in the toughest situations all season are getting more rest because of the extra arms that we have out there. If you don't need Kimbrel to be ready nearly every day, maybe he can pitch to 4 hitters a little more often. A rested Koji might just look like like the guy we remember so very well. The trick is using what you have out there in that bullpen to your advantage.