Pablo Sandoval

[User Name]

Trade him to Japan where he can go on the sumo circuit.

 

He's too fat for that too! Them sumo guys are well conditioned believe it or not.

[Northern Star]

He's too fat for that too! Them sumo guys are well conditioned believe it or not.

 

It was dump truck (not Ferrari) that made me think of the connection.

[Kimmi]

Sandoval and agent met with team, stated they were not happy and would be open to a trade.

 

You couldn't even make the best of it for 24 hours? WTF?

 

Heyman:

 

Later in the evening on Friday, as the Red Sox prepared to play the Toronto Blue Jays in exhibition action at Olympic Stadium, Sandoval distanced himself from those comments.

 

“That’s my agent, it [doesn’t] come from me,” said Sandoval. “My agent, he can say whatever he wants. Like I said, his comment, not mine.”

 

Red Sox President of Baseball Operations Dave Dombrowski said that he had not been contacted by Thurman despite reports of the agent being in Montreal and meeting with Sandoval.

 

“I didn’t get a phone call, didn’t even know he was here,” said Dombrowski. “If he’s here I’d be happy to meet with him.”

 

Dombrowski also stated that Sandoval had not requested to be traded.

 

“He has not [expressed dissatisfaction] to me, no. All of his comments in the paper have been great. I also think he wants to be in a position when he gets in the lineup that he produces and puts up some numbers.”

 

Manager John Farrell echoed Dombowski’s sentiments that Sandoval has handled being placed in a backup role the right way.

 

Again on Friday, Sandoval said publicly that he is not upset about his reduced playing time.

 

“I’m fine with that, nothing I can do,” said Sandoval. “I’m going to be ready and keep working hard to do the things the team needs. That’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to be prepared. Is it going to be my first time? Yeah. But I’m going to the best that I can to be ready.”

 

Now there seems to be some disconnect between Pablo and his agent, which isn't good, but this seems to be on the agent, and not on Pablo.

[Spudboy]

Lol.

[mvp 78]

Heyman:

 

 

 

Now there seems to be some disconnect between Pablo and his agent, which isn't good, but this seems to be on the agent, and not on Pablo.

 

Can't agree. If agent is truly speaking out of turn, he'd be fired. Pablo is hiding behind him.

[Spudboy]

Yeah I very much doubt that the two clowns were not in concert here. To believe otherwise is being naive.

[User Name]

Can't agree. If agent is truly speaking out of turn, he'd be fired. Pablo is hiding behind him.

 

I've seen agents fired for way less than that.

[a700hitter]

The agent was following orders. The agent doesn't care if he is playing in year 2 of his contract. He just wants pablo to keep cashing his check and paying the agent his cut. He just doesn't want Pablo to die of a fat embolism before the contract runs out.

[mvp 78]

I've seen agents fired for way less than that.

 

That's all I'm saying. If he wants to be a good soldier, his agent is hurting his career.

[Northern Star]

That's all I'm saying. If he wants to be a good soldier, his agent is hurting his career.

 

What's the incentive to be a good soldier when he's got 95 million large ones coming down the pike?

[mvp 78]

What's the incentive to be a good soldier when he's got 95 million large ones coming down the pike?

 

For the next contract.

[Northern Star]

For the next contract.

 

We know he already doesn't give a s*** about his weight, so how likely is he to play well enough to justify an even bigger contract? Would not be shocked if he declines rapidly and irreversibly.

[User Name]

We know he already doesn't give a s*** about his weight, so how likely is he to play well enough to justify an even bigger contract? Would not be shocked if he declines rapidly and irreversibly.

 

"If?" So what was last year? A productive, worthwhile season?

[SoxHop]

Ferrari............. ahahahah ........Ferrari.... you got to be kidding me.......

[Northern Star]

"If?" So what was last year? A productive, worthwhile season?

 

*even more

[Spudboy]

For the next contract.

 

I doubt that he will get another contract unless he loses 40-50 lbs and rakes for the next 3 years.

[Spudboy]

Ferrari............. ahahahah ........Ferrari.... you got to be kidding me.......

 

More like a '52 Buick.

[Spudboy]

He's too fat for that too! Them sumo guys are well conditioned believe it or not.

 

Sumo raslers are bad ass. They are very committed. And they get to eat. And... they get to drink all the beer that they can handle. All day long.

[Dojji]

If I was unable to do a job I was contracted and paid to do, I would feel deeply ashamed and work as hard as I could to return some kind of value to my employer.

 

It's not the weight or the work ethic that steams my oysters as far as Pablo goes, so much as the complete shamelessness

[Spudboy]

If I was unable to do a job I was contracted and paid to do, I would feel deeply ashamed and work as hard as I could to return some kind of value to my employer.

 

It's not the weight or the work ethic that steams my oysters as far as Pablo goes, so much as the complete shamelessness

 

It's a matter of integrity. Shame to say.

[Kimmi]

If I was unable to do a job I was contracted and paid to do, I would feel deeply ashamed and work as hard as I could to return some kind of value to my employer.

 

It's not the weight or the work ethic that steams my oysters as far as Pablo goes, so much as the complete shamelessness

 

More assumptions being made in this thread.

 

I would bet that if you made a mistake, or had a bad week/month/year, when the rest of your career has been pretty good, you'd want people to give you a second chance.

 

I would also bet that you would not appreciate it if people judged you on your appearance.

[mvp 78]

This ST was his second chance. He blew it by showing up out of shape.

[Spudboy]

This ST was his second chance. He blew it by showing up out of shape.

 

Yup. And he dropped the ball.

 

Several times.

[Kimmi]

This ST was his second chance. He blew it by showing up out of shape.

 

No, it wasn't.

[Kimmi]

No one has really given me a good reason as to what the harm would be in allowing Pablo and Castillo a chance to start for 1-2 months, with the understanding that if either one and the team get off to a poor start then they get pulled sooner.

 

Seriously, what is the harm in giving them a chance in regular season games, other than Pablo is fat and therefore he has every character flaw imaginable?

[Bellhorn04]

No one has really given me a good reason as to what the harm would be in allowing Pablo and Castillo a chance to start for 1-2 months, with the understanding that if either one and the team get off to a poor start then they get pulled sooner.

 

Seriously, what is the harm in giving them a chance in regular season games, other than Pablo is fat and therefore he has every character flaw imaginable?

 

But it in the opinion of others, you haven't given a good reason as to the harm in giving Shaw and Holt a chance to start the season.

[Dojji]

No, it wasn't.

 

Yes it was, Kimmi. Pablo was already on 2 strikes after last year's lethargic performance at the plate and in the field. if you think for one second his showing up 40 pounds heavier than he said he was didn't seriously cheeze off the entire franchise, then you don't realize just how precedent setting it was for Shaw to even get a sniff at third base this Spring, no matter how he hit.

 

If the Franchise as a group wasn't deeply offended by Sandoval's decisions about his personal conditioning in the offseason, all Shaw's brilliant spring would have meant to the franchise was "Oh hey cool, we have a good bench guy, nice to know, maybe we can count on him if the starter goes down for a few weeks." Spring training stats are usually all but completely ignored by a franchise, unless they're anxious for them to mean something. That tells you a lot, and I mean a LOT, aboutt what was going on in the collective minds of the leadership of this team when they opened 3B up this Spring at all.

 

How do I know this? because young bench types have been having brilliant springs for years, and this is the first time a guy with 4 years left, or any years left, on a big contract, was even on the hotseat as a result. And for a guy who'd played less than a full season at 3b combined over the last 5 years to beat out the incumbent in Spring training? This franchise was DESPERATE. Desperate either to make an example out of Sandoval from day 1 and Shaw gave them the perfect excuse, or desperate for something, anything, to get them out of the positional crisis at third base that Pablo's lack of discipline put them in -- it all goes the same place in the end so it doesn't matter.

 

Now that doesn't mean that Shaw didn't beat Pablo sandoval cleanly and fairly when they were both auditioning for the third base job, I don't want to take anything away from what he did this spring. But I don't think you necessarily realize just how unprecedented it was for that to even be a legit competition in the first place. Especially for a guy like shaw where the Franchise is doing a 180 and suddenly deciding hey, this guy's a legit option at 3b when his minor league focus was on a less athletic position at first base. Everything about that set of moves screams of desperation, almost to the point of panic, and it's all because Sandoval showed up unfit to play his position.

 

Make no mistake though, Pablo was on or near his last chance when he reported to spring, he was the worst position player in the majors last year partly due to his weight and conditioning, and his dead weight contributed heavily to the Red sox not being able to lift themselves out of the basement, if you'll pardon the turn of phrase. but even then, one bad year wouldn't be enough to put Sandoval this far into the doghouse unless something else, and probably a lot of things, had been wrong with the picture. veterans just do not lose their job in Spring Training. A crappy April, yeah, it can happen if a guy is on 2 strikes. But NOT in spring training. Spring training is usually just used to allow vets to get their reps in. So there's worms beneath the surface besides the obvious ones we saw.

 

it's very very likely when they weighed him and found him to be even heavier this year than he was in his useless previous season, showing he'd learned little and not made sufficient effort to overcome the problem that had damned him last year, that revelation was enough to rip convention to shreds. Do you know how hard it is to break convention in baseball? It's the most conventional sport in the world. They do things in this game for no other reason than that they did them 60 years ago, and that's enough for nearly everyone. Hell your entire argument about Sandoval is an appeal to convention. You're calling for what would be done in an ordinary situation where a veteran performed poorly last year but was uninjured and able to play. For the Red Sox to throw convention out the window and throw 3B up to such an open competition that a bench 1B won the job in spring, they had to have been utterly steamed, so far beyond furious that there may not be a word for it outside of Lovecraftian horror.

 

just something to think about Kimmi.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Dojji

[Bellhorn04]

I'm also now thinking that despite what they said publicly, the Sox brass was furious with Pablo for showing up like that.

[a700hitter]

No one has really given me a good reason as to what the harm would be in allowing Pablo and Castillo a chance to start for 1-2 months, with the understanding that if either one and the team get off to a poor start then they get pulled sooner.

 

Seriously, what is the harm in giving them a chance in regular season games, other than Pablo is fat and therefore he has every character flaw imaginable?

Kimmi, you can't play the game as a third baseman at 295 lbs. when you are under 6' tall. You can't. He needs to take off at least 20 lbs. There is no chance that needs to be given. You can't perform at that weight. Edited April 2, 2016 by a700hitter

[jung]

I cannot make the case for the Pablo situation better than Dojji made it. As for Castillo, the guy cannot see breaking balls...CAN'T' He gets toasted by people complaining about his performance against FB's not really that he is swinging at any FB he sees to avoid a two strike breaking ball. He does not know how to run bases.

 

These are not skills you learn for 1-2 months at the ML level costing your team all along the way. He in fact should not sit...he should simply go down.