Travis Shaw

[a700hitter]

Kimmi is worried that Hanley is just plain dumb and can't help his self.

[Spudboy]

Haters gonna hate.

 

I don't hate boobs. I prefer asses but boobs are okay as well.

 

And I don't hate Pablo. I just don't think he is a "fit" on my team. And I do resent his attitude towards his responsibilities to my team.

 

If he plays well then fine. There will be nothing other than his attitude to complain about.

 

But it's been 13 months of "Chance" for him and nothing other than the $75. mil owed is keeping him on this team.

 

You have misplaced your "I will defend this slob only because you guys are not being reasonable"when pointing a finger at me.

 

Baseball is a performance based business. He does not perform. He is unwilling to change his attitude.

 

Next.

[Spudboy]

Actually, it's called being realistic.

 

It is still in the team's best interest to have Pablo play a decent 3B, allowing Shaw to be the supersub.

 

We have to remember that moves do not occur in a vacuum. What good is Pablo going to serve sitting on the bench?

 

None. Like his play on the field. It is worth nothing. DFA and eat the contract until a deal can be worked out with some other dumb GM.

[Spudboy]

Old-timey = traditionalist

 

 

I don't like labels.

 

I'm 60 ( ugh! ) yet I am on top of most everything associated with my culture and environment.

 

Yaz WAS the best player I ever saw play for the Sox. And Ted is correct. Yaz would have played through most of the hangnails these pussies hit the DL with.

 

But I am not a traditionalist.

[Spudboy]

It'll be interesting to see the reaction if Shaw goes into a little slump and those volatile small sample numbers take a dip.

 

He's been 0'fer for two games, I believe.

[Spudboy]

He can.....if he drops the weight. The problem is that guys like Spudboy and I speak from experience. There's a world of difference between trying to be competitive at something being 300 pounds of blob, or overweight at 240/250. That much mass gets in the way of the most mundane of tasks let alone playing baseball at the MLB level.

 

So let me affirm and add emphasis.

 

Now, granted, my back is all screwed up. That inhibits many routine and necessary daily motions. The addition of about 40 pounds since I can no longer exercise and can no longer low-carb with no gall bladder, I'm hit with the double whammy. I have a significantly reduced range of motion.

 

Putting on socks, underwear, pants, shoes, bathing one's private parts, wiping one's rear, getting into and out of cars. standing up from a sofa, getting out of bed, reaching up or down into kitchen cabinets, ETC.

 

These are some of the practical limitations that I deal with because of the excess fat on my body.

 

Pablo is a fat f*** with NO EXCUSES. He is paid "HUGE" money and refuses to get into anything near optimal playing condition.

 

Yeah. He needs more chances. All of us are being so unfair to him.

[Kimmi]

What character assassination has really gone on here? Calling Pablo fat?

 

Saying that Pablo is fat and that he might not able to improve defensively because of his weight is fair. That is not character assassination, although the fat jokes really are cruel.

 

The judgments made about the type of person he is based on the way he looks is character assassination. Here are some of the accusations I'm talking about:

 

1. Pablo is lazy.

2. Pablo isn't trying very hard.

3. Pablo doesn't care.

4. Pablo is unprofessional.

5. Pablo is giving his teammates and the fans the finger.

6. Pablo has a terrible work ethic.

7. Pablo only cares about the money he's making.

8. Pablo will be a clubhouse cancer.

 

There is no proof behind any of those statements. They are pure speculation based on Pablo's appearance.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi is worried that Hanley is just plain dumb and can't help his self.

 

Not being able to maintain focus has nothing to be with being dumb. Do not put such words into my mouth.

[Kimmi]

I don't hate boobs. I prefer asses but boobs are okay as well.

 

And I don't hate Pablo. I just don't think he is a "fit" on my team. And I do resent his attitude towards his responsibilities to my team.

 

If he plays well then fine. There will be nothing other than his attitude to complain about.

 

But it's been 13 months of "Chance" for him and nothing other than the $75. mil owed is keeping him on this team.

 

You have misplaced your "I will defend this slob only because you guys are not being reasonable"when pointing a finger at me.

 

Baseball is a performance based business. He does not perform. He is unwilling to change his attitude.

 

Next.

 

What is wrong with his attitude? Does he have a bad attitude because he's fat?

[Kimmi]

None. Like his play on the field. It is worth nothing. DFA and eat the contract until a deal can be worked out with some other dumb GM.

 

Serious question to everyone who wants Shaw to be our starting 3B:

 

Is the team better off having Pablo playing a solid 3B (2012, 2013, or 2014 numbers) and Shaw being a supersub, where he can back up multiple positions, pinch hit, possibly be a late inning defensive replacement, and pinch run, or having Shaw playing a solid 3B and having Pablo on the bench, where he can spell Shaw occasionally at 3B but really can't do anything else?

 

I understand that Pablo may not be able to revert to previous years' numbers (and Shaw might not reach that level either), but I strongly believe that it's in the team's best interest to give him a chance to do so. The team is better off if he can.

[Kimmi]

I don't like labels.

 

I'm 60 ( ugh! ) yet I am on top of most everything associated with my culture and environment.

 

Yaz WAS the best player I ever saw play for the Sox. And Ted is correct. Yaz would have played through most of the hangnails these pussies hit the DL with.

 

But I am not a traditionalist.

 

Personally, I like a lot about the old school style of play, including players not being babied so much and players policing themselves. I am very traditional when it comes to the play on the field.

[Kimmi]

He's been 0'fer for two games, I believe.

 

He is 0 for his last 8. Time to DFA him the no good bum.

[Kimmi]

So let me affirm and add emphasis.

 

Now, granted, my back is all screwed up. That inhibits many routine and necessary daily motions. The addition of about 40 pounds since I can no longer exercise and can no longer low-carb with no gall bladder, I'm hit with the double whammy. I have a significantly reduced range of motion.

 

Putting on socks, underwear, pants, shoes, bathing one's private parts, wiping one's rear, getting into and out of cars. standing up from a sofa, getting out of bed, reaching up or down into kitchen cabinets, ETC.

 

These are some of the practical limitations that I deal with because of the excess fat on my body.

 

Pablo is a fat f*** with NO EXCUSES. He is paid "HUGE" money and refuses to get into anything near optimal playing condition.

 

Yeah. He needs more chances. All of us are being so unfair to him.

 

First of all, TMI.

 

Secondly, I think we all understand how being overweight limits mobility. And we understand how it will become worse as Pablo ages. However, he has always been at least average as a defender until last year, while being fat. Maybe, just maybe, he can bounce back.

 

Thirdly, how do you know that he doesn't have some real mental, emotional, or physical issues (similar to yours) that are keeping him from being able to lose weight and keep it off? Honestly, I doubt that that's the case, but we don't know that.

[User Name]

What is wrong with his attitude? Does he have a bad attitude because he's fat?

 

No, but he's fat because he has a bad attitude.

[a700hitter]

Not being able to maintain focus has nothing to be with being dumb. Do not put such words into my mouth.

Oh, okay, you are just speculating that Hanley has some other mental or neurological disorder that keeps him from being focused, but suggesting that he is too laid back is an attack on character? Seriously?

[a700hitter]

Serious question to everyone who wants Shaw to be our starting 3B:

 

Is the team better off having Pablo playing a solid 3B (2012, 2013, or 2014 numbers) and Shaw being a supersub, where he can back up multiple positions, pinch hit, possibly be a late inning defensive replacement, and pinch run, or having Shaw playing a solid 3B and having Pablo on the bench, where he can spell Shaw occasionally at 3B but really can't do anything else?

 

I understand that Pablo may not be able to revert to previous years' numbers (and Shaw might not reach that level either), but I strongly believe that it's in the team's best interest to give him a chance to do so. The team is better off if he can.

Serious answer, Pablo's upside, which I don't expect to see, is not high enough to justify sitting Shaw at this point. If Shaw implodes, Pablo can step in.

[Station 13]

From what Pablo did last season and this spring, he has been outplayed by Shaw. The 'injury' they invented is to buy him time for extended spring training. Noway I want the current Pablo anywhere close to the roster come opening day. Even a sub like Holt is better than Pablo.

[Elktonnick]

Saying that Pablo is fat and that he might not able to improve defensively because of his weight is fair. That is not character assassination, although the fat jokes really are cruel.

 

The judgments made about the type of person he is based on the way he looks is character assassination. Here are some of the accusations I'm talking about:

 

1. Pablo is lazy.

2. Pablo isn't trying very hard.

3. Pablo doesn't care.

4. Pablo is unprofessional.

5. Pablo is giving his teammates and the fans the finger.

6. Pablo has a terrible work ethic.

7. Pablo only cares about the money he's making.

8. Pablo will be a clubhouse cancer.

 

There is no proof behind any of those statements. They are pure speculation based on Pablo's appearance.

 

 

Wrong. What constitutes proof? Fact, Pablo came into camp significantly over weight. Fact in 2015 he was also significantly over weight and was the worst 3rd baseman in baseball. Fact in 2014 he lost 40 lbs. It was his free agency year. He had an excellent year. At the end of that year he let himself put on a tremendous amount of weight and he hasn't been the same since. What conclusions would a reasonable person conclude from these facts-- that Sandoval is being maligned and really is a dedicated misunderstood ballplayer not being given a fair chance. Or that Sandoval isn't trying as hard in 2015 and in 2016 as he did before he signed his big secure contract. You can believe the former if you what to but to do so flies in the face of both logic or reality.

[jung]

The fact is Pablo has always gained weight in season, not off season...in season is when he gains most of his weight. Before the 2014 season he lost more tonnage in the off season than he does normally and had a bit more success keeping it off in season gaining back maybe only 15 or at the outside 20 lbs of what he lost.

 

After he signed he went back immediately to classic Pablo only now broaching new boundaries at the upper end of the weight spectrum for him and trying to play at weights that he has never supported before.

 

He does work at his game.....that is true. But does not at all work at the things that just take can take him down completely. He just can't play at these weights. If he does play it will be poorly and prone to injury.

[Kimmi]

No, but he's fat because he has a bad attitude.

 

You do not know that. You are making assumptions about his character.

[Elktonnick]

The fact is Pablo has always gained weight in season, not off season...in season is when he gains most of his weight. Before the 2014 season he lost more tonnage in the off season than he does normally and had a bit more success keeping it off in season gaining back maybe only 15 or at the outside 20 lbs of what he lost.

 

After he signed he went back immediately to classic Pablo only now broaching new boundaries at the upper end of the weight spectrum for him and trying to play at weights that he has never supported before.

 

He does work at his game.....that is true. But does not at all work at the things that just take can take him down completely. He just can't play at these weights. If he does play it will be poorly and prone to injury.

 

He obviously gained a lot of weight this offseason since came into camp heavier than he was before.

[Kimmi]

Oh, okay, you are just speculating that Hanley has some other mental or neurological disorder that keeps him from being focused, but suggesting that he is too laid back is an attack on character? Seriously?

 

Seriously. Of course I'm speculating, as is everyone here. Hanley may be the dumbest guy in the world for all I know, but I'm not going to accuse him of being stupid because I don't like the way he looks or plays. I'm willing to give Hanley and Pablo the benefit of the doubt as to why they aren't focused or why they're fat, rather than accusing them of having bad or weak characters based on the way they look.

[jung]

He obviously gained a lot of weight this offseason since came into camp heavier than he was before.

 

No he didn't. He was huge when they finally shut him down last year. He just didn't lose any weight from the end of last season in the off season. That whole "he lost 20 lbs stuff" was such nonsense. He carries 20 lbs in one arm pit now. So now he starts this season heavier than he has ever been at the start of a season going into his true weight gain period.

[Kimmi]

Serious answer, Pablo's upside, which I don't expect to see, is not high enough to justify sitting Shaw at this point. If Shaw implodes, Pablo can step in.

 

The question wasn't what Pablo's upside was. I get that you don't think he will, but if Pablo did revert to being a 2.5-3 WAR player, do you think the team is better off with him at 3B and Shaw as a supersub?

[Kimmi]

Wrong. What constitutes proof? Fact, Pablo came into camp significantly over weight. Fact in 2015 he was also significantly over weight and was the worst 3rd baseman in baseball. Fact in 2014 he lost 40 lbs. It was his free agency year. He had an excellent year. At the end of that year he let himself put on a tremendous amount of weight and he hasn't been the same since. What conclusions would a reasonable person conclude from these facts-- that Sandoval is being maligned and really is a dedicated misunderstood ballplayer not being given a fair chance. Or that Sandoval isn't trying as hard in 2015 and in 2016 as he did before he signed his big secure contract. You can believe the former if you what to but to do so flies in the face of both logic or reality.

 

That is not proof of any of the statements in the post that you were referring to. That is you interpreting things the way you want to interpret them, based on his appearance.

[Elktonnick]

No he didn't. He was huge when they finally shut him down last year. He just didn't lose any weight from the end of last season in the off season. That whole "he lost 20 lbs stuff" was such nonsense. He carries 20 lbs in one arm pit now. So now he starts this season heavier than he has ever been at the start of a season going into his true weight gain period.

 

Like I said earlier he came into camp heavier then he left, it was all over Fort Myers. Even if you don't believe that, published photos in the Boston papers clearly show him bigger then he was at the end of last year.

Edited March 26, 2016 by Elktonnick

[Elktonnick]

Kimmi ,That is another load of horse s***. You refuse to accept anything as proof except Pablo Sandoval admitting that he lets himself go because of his contract. The facts speak for themselves. He lost weight in 2014 before he got his contract. He hasn't since. You like to denouce everyone as prejudiced and judgmental when they don't agree with your point of view but you won't accept the clear facts that didn't get himself in shape to be the best player he could be. Edited March 26, 2016 by Elktonnick

[jung]

Like I said earlier he came into camp heavier then he left, it was all over Fort Myers. Even if you don't believe that, published photos in the Boston papers clearly show him bigger then he was at the end of last year.

 

Whatever it hardly matters. He was bumping 290 when he left last year. So what's your point...that he maybe gained 20???? Again he carries twenty in an armpit now. He is not 350! Do you have an idea what he would look like at 350? Well we might get a chance to see that cause THIS is when he gains most of his weight. But he is NOT 350 now.

[User Name]

You do not know that. You are making assumptions about his character.

 

There's no assumption. It's a logical conclusion based on the available fact. He essentially told everyone to f*** themselves as soon as they questioned him on his obvious weight gain, and the "did or didn't the team tell him to lose weight" SNAFU. Let's not try to complicate what's simple.

[Elktonnick]

Whatever it hardly matters. He was bumping 290 when he left last year. So what's your point...that he maybe gained 20???? Again he carries twenty in an armpit now. He is not 350! Do you have an idea what he would look like at 350? Well we might get a chance to see that cause THIS is when he gains most of his weight. But he is NOT 350 now.

You are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill! OMG what a s***** pun!!! Sorry about that. BTW If you haven't seen it look at the Feb photo of Sandoval reporting. He was as Bernie Sanders would ay YUGE!

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