2016 Off Season Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Miller has a 3 yr deal at below market value. He's only 1 yr older than McGee. McGee has had more injuries of late than Miller. And Miller was one of the most dominant pitchers in the game last yr, possibly the most dominant closer.

[Meh]

Cost, control, age, and Miller's recent injuries are factors here. The Dodgers don't seem willing to trade those top guys, and if they wanted to, wouldn't McGee be the better choice?

 

I'd go for McGee too but only since he'd cost less in terms of what he'd bring back. Also Friedman probably likes guys he knows more.

[jacksonianmarch]

Miller is signed to a 3 yr deal at $9 mil per. McGee is set to make $5 mil in 2016, prob $10 mil in 2017 and a FA after that. Chances are the money would be similar over the next 3 yrs, but you can let Miller walk at that point, whereas McGee will be commanding a big AAV after 2017 on a long term deal. Miller was also healthier in 2015 and like I said, 1 yr difference. I think both are extremely attractive to teams, but I also think the Rays would rather keep him.

 

Moving onto other things, as it stands right now, we have an interesting

 

1. McCann

2. Sanchez

3. Teixeira

4. Castro

5. Gregorius

6. Headley

7. Gardner

8. Hicks

9. Ellsbury

10. Beltran

11. Rodriguez

12. Ackley

13. Refsnyder or Bird

 

I think there is at least one more deal to be had. Our #13 spot is going to be interesting. I think the likelihood that Roidhead and Tex make it through the season healthy is low, but out of the gate, I can see the utility of rotating Bird in to keep Tex and ARod fresh. That being said, Bird should probably be getting regular ABs and some time in AAA might be better for him. On the Refsnyder front, I can see his utility as well. He gives us another right handed option who can play 2b, 3b, and COF. But having either RH or switch in the infield and a good lefty masher in the OF as a backup, he might be the guy with the likelihood to end up in AAA. And Ackley can double as a backup IF at 3b and 2b and should Didi need a day off, Castro could slide over to SS without an issue

 

To the staff

1. Tanaka

2. Severino

3. Nova

4. Pineda

5. Eovaldi

6. Sabathia

7. Mitchell

8. Miller

9. Betances

10. Shreve

 

Mitchell is the most likely guy to see a change in role as I think he ends up less a middle relief guy and more our long reliever. Our last 2 spots up for grabs have a hell of a cast looking to fight for them

 

1. Jacob Lindgren- former top pick, lefty fireballer who was hurt on arrival last yr and missed the last half. Is fully healthy and throwing hard

2. James Pazos- lefty who had a cup of coffee and made the WC roster. High 90s heat with big slider

3. Branden Pinder- hard throwing righty with a sub 3ERA in 28 innings last yr. Command shaky and prone to the tater

4. Nick Goody- low 90s heat with movement, plays up, and a huge slider. College closer, dominated minors after TJS

5. Nick Rumbelow- high 90s heat, held his own in 15 innings last yr.

6. Johnny Barbato- high 90s fastball, great curveball, finally healthy after TJS, shaky command

[Meh]

Hoping for a Joe Ross for Gardner and Refsnyder deal now. Would fill to gaps for the Nats, their outfielder they want and they can move Rendon back to 3B. I'd also love to sign Sierra the Cuban pitcher. Make a few moves from our position of depth, maybe an outfielder like Heathcott or Gamel dealt for a Triple-A 3B.

[User Name]

And where do Dan Murphy and his 37 million contract play then? SS?

[Meh]

And where do Dan Murphy and his 37 million contract play then? SS?

 

My bad I forgot they signed him. Still would like to grab Joe Ross though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Meh, I need you to focus here. We have plenty of high upside arms in our rotation. We are lacking the innings eating, durable, middle of the rotation or higher starter. If we deal for anybody now that Chapman is in the fold, it will not be for a 22 yr old kid who looked good in 75 innings in the bigs last yr. If we deal away a perennial 3 win OFer, it is in the deal to get a 200IP eating starter or another capable bat. It wont be for another "could be".

[Meh]

Meh, I need you to focus here. We have plenty of high upside arms in our rotation. We are lacking the innings eating, durable, middle of the rotation or higher starter. If we deal for anybody now that Chapman is in the fold, it will not be for a 22 yr old kid who looked good in 75 innings in the bigs last yr. If we deal away a perennial 3 win OFer, it is in the deal to get a 200IP eating starter or another capable bat. It wont be for another "could be".

 

I'm not too worried about the rotation dude. I think Nova has a strong contract year. I think one of Pineda and Tanaka will be healthy and the other not. I think Servino will be fine, not as good as he was in 2015, but still above average and continue to improve from there. CC is a mystery though.

 

Gardner's just not going to bring back something amazing dude.

[mvp 78]

Heard they were looking to move Nova?

[jacksonianmarch]

Plus, minus. I don't think they will get an offer they like. They want an offer for 3 WAR Nova, and not recovering from TJS Nova. Cashman would do well to retain Nova. Most starters take 18 months to recover. That time has passed now. He is also in a contract yr. Dealing him for s*** isn't worth it when you could cut him for nothing if he sucks or ride him like a horse if he regains his form. A fully healthy and effective Nova would be amazing for this club. Remember, he was the #2 in the playoffs not that long ago

[jacksonianmarch]

So the lineup looks as follows.

 

1. Gardner LF

2. Castro 2B

3. Teixeira 1B

4. Rodriguez DH

5. McCann C

6. Beltran RF

7. Ellsbury CF

8. Headley 3B

9. Gregorius SS

 

You have Ackley as the backup IF, Hicks as the backup OF, Sanchez as the backup C, Bird in the minors if ARod or Tex get hurt

 

The lineup actually looks pretty good, not elite, but good. Castro eliminates the black hole of Drew at 2b. We have a viable, powerful backup for 1b and DH. We have a solid 4th OFer again replacing Young, and Hicks is a switch hitter. I know Hicks is going to get a LOT of playing time. My hope is he can continue to be a dominant defender while progressing as a left handed hitter. This isn't Chris Young. I think we got him with the intention of having him hold down RF long term until Harper is a FA after Beltran leaves. Sanchez allows us to have a powerful bat against lefties or when McCann needs time off. Ackley is a very viable backup IF/OF. I like our depth offensively. I just don't think the lineup, as is, will be elite, but should be better than last yr as we don't have the terrible outliers (Ryan and Drew) that we had play significant innings last yr

[Station 13]

Looks like the class of 1999 list man. Questionable in most of them.

[Meh]

I think we got him with the intention of having him hold down RF long term until Harper is a FA after Beltran leaves.

 

You don't have faith in Judge?

 

I'd like to take a chance on Tony Sanchez actually. I think he could be a nice addition to the Triple-A team.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Judge has a lot of tools, but he got a little exposed in AAA. I hope he rights that ship this season and becomes a viable big league option. Regardless, even if Judge hits his ceiling, and that is of a Dave Winfield type, he still wont be Harper. Love him or hate him, but Bryce Harper and Mike Trout are the closest thing to a young Mickey Mantle that we have seen in a long while. Harper will have just turned 26 when he becomes a FA. He had a 1.109OPS post steroid era. When he hits the market, he will get a contract like no other, and it will be from NYY. And if Judge comes up and dominates, he can move to LF. By that point, ARod, Tex, CC, Beltran, McCann, Gardner, Miller, etc will be off the books and we'll be in the final 2 seasons of Ellsbury and Tanaka. We should have money to burn at that point

[Meh]

I think Judge has a lot of tools, but he got a little exposed in AAA. I hope he rights that ship this season and becomes a viable big league option. Regardless, even if Judge hits his ceiling, and that is of a Dave Winfield type, he still wont be Harper. Love him or hate him, but Bryce Harper and Mike Trout are the closest thing to a young Mickey Mantle that we have seen in a long while. Harper will have just turned 26 when he becomes a FA. He had a 1.109OPS post steroid era. When he hits the market, he will get a contract like no other, and it will be from NYY. And if Judge comes up and dominates, he can move to LF. By that point, ARod, Tex, CC, Beltran, McCann, Gardner, Miller, etc will be off the books and we'll be in the final 2 seasons of Ellsbury and Tanaka. We should have money to burn at that point

 

I was talking about Hicks Vs Judge

[jacksonianmarch]

We didn't deal Murphy to pick up a throwaway 4th OFer. There is a vision with Hicks. He just turned 26 and is a former top prospect. He finally had a good season and responded well when he got regular playing time after the ASB. He is an elite defender who can also steal bases. He has also shown improving power. You don't deal away basically a starting catcher talent with solid hitting skills to pick up a 4th OFer. I think Hicks is our starting RF after the ASB and the odds on favorite to start come 2017

[Meh]

We didn't deal Murphy to pick up a throwaway 4th OFer. There is a vision with Hicks. He just turned 26 and is a former top prospect. He finally had a good season and responded well when he got regular playing time after the ASB. He is an elite defender who can also steal bases. He has also shown improving power. You don't deal away basically a starting catcher talent with solid hitting skills to pick up a 4th OFer. I think Hicks is our starting RF after the ASB and the odds on favorite to start come 2017

 

So you're saying Judge is trade bait or is just overrated?

[jacksonianmarch]

I am saying that the Yankees don't hold spots for prospects. Cash has a plan and it is a good one. Listen, if Hicks comes out and breaks out, hitting 20HRs and wresting the job from Beltran in RF come season's end, then he deserves a shot at a starting spot the yr after. Judge isn't big league ready yet. He struggled in AAA. If he comes out and dominates AAA, then maybe he carves out a niche. Also, Hicks or Judge could be spun off for a big piece should both have a good season in 2016.

[Station 13]

Bird has a torn labrum. 2016 is over.

[jacksonianmarch]

That is a BIG blow

[Kimmi]

That is a BIG blow

 

Yeah, it is. Bummer for the kid.

[jacksonianmarch]

Not just for the kid, it is a bummer for us as well. Bird was likely slated to start in AAA, but I was advocating starting him in the bigs and give ARod and Tex regular days off. Now, we are going to rely on the old farts to play more. Looks like Ackley will slide over and backup 1b and I would assume days off for ARod would entail Beltran moving to DH. Regardless, on a team of old f***s, having a young buck behind them capable of replacing their value is huge

[jacksonianmarch]

Harper to the Yankees inevitable? Sounds like most pundits feel that way. Bryce has been a Yankee fan his whole life and has a love for Mantle. He's the closest thing to Mantle we have seen in a long time, well he and Trout. The contract he's gonna get would be silly, but he's on a HOF trajectory and a move to YS could only help that with that short porch.

[jacksonianmarch]

BTW, Harper will have just turned 26 when he hits FA. A 10 yr deal might not get it done. He might ask for a 12 yr deal

[Kimmi]

Harper to the Yankees inevitable? Sounds like most pundits feel that way. Bryce has been a Yankee fan his whole life and has a love for Mantle. He's the closest thing to Mantle we have seen in a long time, well he and Trout. The contract he's gonna get would be silly, but he's on a HOF trajectory and a move to YS could only help that with that short porch.

 

It sounds like that's what the Yankees are gearing up for. His contract is going to be insane, as if free agent contracts aren't already insane enough. I would be surprised if he does not sign with the Yankees.

[Spudboy]

I don't really care for Harper. Yeah, he is very talented. But I see him as a puke and a punk spoiled brat.

 

"That said", If the Yankees are willing to break the bank for him, would the Sox be in on him?

[cp176]

I don't really care for Harper. Yeah, he is very talented. But I see him as a puke and a punk spoiled brat.

 

"That said", If the Yankees are willing to break the bank for him, would the Sox be in on him?

 

i hope not. Yankees can have him. With what we have in the minors, I think that kind of $could be used differently.

[Kimmi]

I don't really care for Harper. Yeah, he is very talented. But I see him as a puke and a punk spoiled brat.

 

"That said", If the Yankees are willing to break the bank for him, would the Sox be in on him?

 

I don't really care for him either. While I would love to have that talent on the team, I really hope the Sox don't try to sign him.

[jacksonianmarch]

You'd be upset if a 1.100+OPS, 9.5+WAR player was being pursued by your team? Those numbers in the post roid era don't happen.

[Kimmi]

You'd be upset if a 1.100+OPS, 9.5+WAR player was being pursued by your team? Those numbers in the post roid era don't happen.

 

As with the case of Price, if the Sox signed Harper, I would be thrilled.

 

The rational side of me, however, says no, no, no.