2016 Off Season Thread

[a700hitter]

No, no, no, no! I just read that the Cubbies are asking for Adam Warren for Castro! You have to be out of your f***ing mind! Warren has been the balls for us both in the rotation and the pen. With how many question marks we have in our rotation, subtracting one of our most durable options is not a good idea. I'm all for moving Warren if we get a pitcher. Not a SS/2b guy without a position in Chicago. If Theo gets Warren for Castro in a straight up deal, I would wonder if he would give Cashman the common courtesy of a reacharound

Warren and a PTBNL

7:04pm: The YES Network’s Jack Curry reports that right-hander Adam Warren and a player to be named later are going to the Cubs in the trade (Twitter link).

[Meh]

Castro deal has been agreed upon, but the players going from the Yanks to the Cubs have not been announced.

 

Warren and PTBNL. Hate to see Warren go, I liked him, but Yankees have cashed in when their pitchers have been valued higher than normal. Phelps and Greene last year. I saw Warren as expendable though. I like Bryan Mitchell to step into a role like Warren has in terms of a good RP and a solid 4th starter. Excited to see Castro play, he had a heck of a 2nd half. I kind of wanted to see Refs get some ABs, but oh well.

[User Name]

No, no, no, no! I just read that the Cubbies are asking for Adam Warren for Castro! You have to be out of your f***ing mind! Warren has been the balls for us both in the rotation and the pen. With how many question marks we have in our rotation, subtracting one of our most durable options is not a good idea. I'm all for moving Warren if we get a pitcher. Not a SS/2b guy without a position in Chicago. If Theo gets Warren for Castro in a straight up deal, I would wonder if he would give Cashman the common courtesy of a reacharound

 

Call him up and ask him, why don't you.

[Meh]

Ryan is the 2nd player in the deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

There must be a pitcher on the horizon. You don't subtract from probably used depth if you don't plan on adding to it. He's a lock down reliever and was a very good mid 3ERA starter for 20 starts.

 

Meh, I know Cash likes to deal when value is high, but Greene had a knockout year and he dealt him. Warrens been good for awhile now

[jacksonianmarch]

Man, Theo got Cash here. Cash better hope the guy who finished the year is the guy we see in 2016. Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, Warren. That's a good rotation

[Meh]

There must be a pitcher on the horizon. You don't subtract from probably used depth if you don't plan on adding to it. He's a lock down reliever and was a very good mid 3ERA starter for 20 starts.

 

Meh, I know Cash likes to deal when value is high, but Greene had a knockout year and he dealt him. Warrens been good for awhile now

 

I don't think so. Bullpen is still in good shape. Miller-Dellin-Wilson, form a great trio. One of Shreve, Pazos, Lindgren will work their way into the bullpen too. Same with Pinder, Barbato, Rumbelow, Goody, and Cotham. Add in Mitchell in a Warren type role. Really love Tanaka and Severino at the top of our rotation. One of Eovaldi and Pineda could click this year and really step up huge for us. Nova, CC, and Mitchell as the 5th. Not saying we shouldn't or couldn't make a deal or sign someone but it's not a horrible staff. Warren can be replaced and we dealt from a position of strength.

[Meh]

In other developments, the Tigers are believed to be among several teams making calls about Yankees reliever Justin Wilson. Acquired from the Pirates for Francisco Cervelli, the left-handed reliever pitched in front of Betances and was 5-0 with a 3.10 ERA in 74 appearances.

 

http://nypost.com/2015/12/08/yankees-eyeing-astros-young-righty-flame-thrower/

 

Also King mentions Yankees interested in Vincent Velasquez from the Astros. I think I'd rather roll the dice on Appel plus another prospect myself for Miller. Wonder what the trade value Wilson has. Can't see us giving up both guys.

[jacksonianmarch]

We can easily replace Warren the reliever. It's Warren the starter that we will miss. Like I said before, a pitcher needs to be on the horizon. Even without Warren, we have never had such young, hard throwing starting pitching, which makes me wonder why teams who have impending FA reliable starters haven't called us up and asked for them. My concern is that even after the Warren trade, we have 4 guys who missed time with elbow/forearm troubles in the rotation. What's the chance all of them have nothing significant in there that needs to be addressed in 2016? Depth is going to be huge unless we make some changes. I would love to get Velasquez or even try for McCullers, but it doesn't change the issue. We have plenty of strong armed young guys. Adding to that would be preferable, obviously, but adding a veteran innings eater would be better. For once I am advocating for a veteran. The only real vet we have is CC and he checked out on us prior to the playoffs. My guess is his message will fall on deaf ears Edited December 9, 2015 by jacksonianmarch

[Divinity]

Hey jacko what're your thoughts on Bryce Harper? he'll be a free agent after the 2018 season, and if the Yankees don't make any big signings they'll have a shitload of money to spend.

 

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0611%2Fny_chart1_608x342.jpg&w=570

[jacksonianmarch]

Unless he signs an extension, he's a Yankee

[jacksonianmarch]

He'll hit the market right after his 26th birthday. He's probably looking at a 10 yr $400 mil contract by then

[jacksonianmarch]

So we're talking with the Dodgers and Astros about Miller. I know we have a ridiculous amount of pen options in the high minors, but unless we're getting a stud back, it's a step in the wrong direction. The only reason this team made the playoffs was because a lead after 7 innings was a win. Betances and Miller were otherworldly dominant. I am all for moving Miller if it means we get a top notch starter and maybe that's the plan. Deal Miller for Urias, package him, Bird, Judge, and Refsnyder for Fernandez? I dunno, but any deal that nets us only prospects is a loss unless we are cashing them in this offseason

[Spudboy]

Yup. You know I think letting go of Miller is a mistake. Only acceptable if there is a useful piece now.

[Palodios]

The Dodgers seem extremely hesitant to deal Urias. I doubt Andrew Miller brings that kind of value back in a trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

We just dealt Wilson for two AAA starters. What are we doing?

[Meh]

We just dealt Wilson for two AAA starters. What are we doing?

 

No clue, it has to perhaps mean another move is in the works?

[jacksonianmarch]

There has to be something.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cessa seems like the jewel of this deal, although he sounds like a reliever. His MiLB numbers were great, especially at AA. 8+K/9, sub 2BB/9. But his SR really points towards a future in the pen. Mid to high 90s fastball with plus run, inconsistent mid 80s curve and a change up that is mostly non existent. Green sounds like a prototypical sinker baller. Not a great return for a dominant 28 yr old lefty reliever.

[BudLight]

I think Cashman's best deal for Miller was probably with Houston who have now moved on with Giles. It was rumored that the Astros were listening on Springer, not sure if Cashman asked for him to be included in a deal for Miller or not. He would have been a nice addition with control but it would also have meant moving Gardner if Judge was coming up this next season. An outfield of Judge, Springer and a platoon of Hicks and Ellsbury would have been nice. Ellsbury's contract is going to be a problem as the Yanks move forward in finding playing time for Hicks and Judge.

[Meh]

I think Cashman's best deal for Miller was probably with Houston who have now moved on with Giles. It was rumored that the Astros were listening on Springer, not sure if Cashman asked for him to be included in a deal for Miller or not. He would have been a nice addition with control but it would also have meant moving Gardner if Judge was coming up this next season. An outfield of Judge, Springer and a platoon of Hicks and Ellsbury would have been nice. Ellsbury's contract is going to be a problem as the Yanks move forward in finding playing time for Hicks and Judge.

 

Which is fine, I'm happy to keep Miller. I think the Dodgers will grab one of the Rays bullpen arms like McGee as others have pointed out. I wouldn't trade Gardner or Miller unless we get something really nice back. Nova to some degree as well. With how weak the starting pitchers market will be next year, I bet we can give him a QO and get a draft pick out of him if he pitches even okay this year. I have a feeling Cashman will make three more trades. I doubt he signs any free agents, we don't really have a need for anyone that is left out there. I do like Upton though, but don't want to pay him like other teams will.

[Kimmi]

I don't think the Yankees are done. They are going to make some kind of trade for a starting pitcher, IMO.

 

I was reading this morning about how ripe the 2018 free agent class is going to be, and how the Yanks will only have $57 mil in commitments by then. They will be able to reset the luxury tax penalty in 2017. Look out!

[jacksonianmarch]

We aren't done, for sure. But our direction is confusing.

 

One thing that seems to be apparent is that we are trying to get under the lux tax. I understand it, but I don't like it. We had to make rush investments to correct the last time we tried to get under the lux tax and I am concerned we will have to do the same next year if things don't shake out our way. It's just a weird team, though. It almost seems like a mid market team. Bunch of over the hill guys flanking a lot of up and comers with only a couple end of prime age guys. A rotation full of promise without certainty and a pen that we just dealt off two solid parts, probably

unnecesarily

Edited December 12, 2015 by jacksonianmarch

[Kimmi]

We aren't done, for sure. But our direction is confusing.

 

One thing that seems to be apparent is that we are trying to get under the lux tax. I understand it, but I don't like it. We had to make rush investments to correct the last time we tried to get under the lux tax and I am concerned we will have to do the same next year if things don't shake out our way. It's just a weird team, though. It almost seems like a mid market team. Bunch of over the hill guys flanking a lot of up and comers with only a couple end of prime age guys. A rotation full of promise without certainty and a pen that we just dealt off two solid parts, probably

unnecesarily

 

With the amount of money that all teams have and the types of contracts free agents are getting these days, outspending the opponent is no longer a viable way to build championships. It used to be that if the Yankees wanted a free agent, everybody knew that the Yankees were getting said free agent. That is no longer the case.

 

In addition to that, despite what some fans think, not even the Yankees finances are unlimited. On top of the 50% luxury tax the Yankees have to pay, which is already significant, the Yankees are about to get hit big time with a loss of revenue sharing. That is where the real financial damage is going to come. It makes all the sense in the world for them to get under the tax limit and reset. Just one year under the limit saves them a ton of money.

 

Even the Yankees, with all their financial might, are trying to get younger and cost-controlled. At least for the time being. I like it.

[Kimmi]

After seeing the hauls brought in for Kimbrel and Giles, Cashman must be licking his chops for what he should be able to get for Miller.

[Meh]

After seeing the hauls brought in for Kimbrel and Giles, Cashman must be licking his chops for what he should be able to get for Miller.

 

No one with a strong farm system and a need for a closer is left though. That's what sucks now. Dodgers don't need to get Miller, I mean they could offer DeLeon, Holmes, and some other pieces but I'm meh to that deal.

[Kimmi]

No one with a strong farm system and a need for a closer is left though. That's what sucks now. Dodgers don't need to get Miller, I mean they could offer DeLeon, Holmes, and some other pieces but I'm meh to that deal.

 

That's a valid point. I don't really know who is still in the market for a top reliever and I don't know what other team's farm systems are like.

 

I'm not sure why he would want to trade Miller in the first place. I guess he feels like his need for a starter is greater?

[Meh]

I'm not sure why he would want to trade Miller in the first place. I guess he feels like his need for a starter is greater?

 

Because the of the return the Phillies got for Giles. VV, Appel and the others is pretty damn good. Not to say Giles is nothing though, he's their own Dellin Betances per se.

[jacksonianmarch]

With what the Phils got, a return or Urias or Peterson isn't unrealistic for Miller

[Palodios]

With what the Phils got, a return or Urias or Peterson isn't unrealistic for Miller

 

Cost, control, age, and Miller's recent injuries are factors here. The Dodgers don't seem willing to trade those top guys, and if they wanted to, wouldn't McGee be the better choice?