Wade Miley: Not bad actually

[Kimmi]

Blown out of proportion???? Papi called price a little girl. That doesn't sit well with males.

 

It can get ugly on the battlefield. Those games where benches empty and you ask yourself why did that happen, during a game there can be some non visual stuff going on we wouldn't know about. Calling someone a little girl doesn't sit well.

 

I think that most things like this that we read or hear about in the press are blown out of proportion. I understand that there were some hard feelings between the two, but if the Sox offer Price the contract that he's looking for, neither he nor Papi will let those feelings stand in the way.

[Kimmi]

Well f*** hindsight then.

 

Learn to be prescient.

 

If it were possible, I would be.

[Kimmi]

I'll answer.

 

If he is a bust because of injury that occurs while playing for the Sox I will be disappointed. If it's an injury from a pre-existing condition ( like Lackey ), I will be massively pissed at the Sox.

 

If he sucks pond water like the two fat pigs then I will be very surprised and f***ing pissed at him.

 

I do not see that happening as long as his health is COMPLETELY vetted.

 

Thank you for answering.

 

I'm not talking about an injury. Injuries happen and they cannot be foreseen, although that is always something that should be taken into consideration when handing out large contracts.

 

I think that Price will be very good for the front end of his contract. I will not be upset if the Sox sign him. However, I will still shudder at that contract and hope that it does not come back to bite us, especially in the back years.

 

If Price is signed and is healthy, but stinks anyway, will you blame the FO for making such a terrible signing?

[Bellhorn04]

Free agency is now like a casino with incredibly high stakes games. GM's place huge bets that could make or break their team for the next few years.

[Kimmi]

Extending Porcello to big money on the hope that he becomes (note the optimism) something he has never really shown signs of being was a big risk. Signing Ramirez was just a huge risk by itself for all of the reasons previously beaten to death. Signing Sandoval at least made some sense. We needed a third baseman, we got one. Even a fat one was better than what we had going in. Each of these signing s would have made a little more sense to me if the Red Sox had then done what we thought they would do. Sign a real pitcher. A little numbness would have been ok if they had backed it hope with an actual common sense move. They did not. This off season I think that we will see them bring in a true top of the rotation guy. Someone who has actually been there. If they do this, we will all have to just suck it up and live with the fact that they have finally done something that at least going in to spring straining makes some sense. If it doesn't work out, so be it. Those types of chances makes sense to take.

 

I disagree on the Porcello and Hanley contracts. I thought there were good reasons for signing both, but I'm not going to state my case again. As you said, it's been beaten to death.

 

I really thought the Sox would go the extra step and add a frontline starter too, but I was okay that they didn't. The team that they assembled should have been competitive. They took a chance on an offense first philosophy, which does make sense even if you don't agree with it. Even I don't agree with it. That doesn't make it wrong. And the fact that it didn't work doesn't make it wrong either.

 

They took a chance that made sense to them and most of the baseball "experts". You didn't like the chance that they took. I understand that. But I don't see the difference between it being okay to take a chance with Price and living with it if it doesn't work out, and the Sox taking a chance on Hanley and having to live with that, other than you like/agree with the former and you dislike/disagree with the latter.

[Kimmi]

Free agency is now like a casino with incredibly high stakes games. GM's place huge bets that could make or break their team for the next few years.

 

Absolutely. IMO, avoiding the big contracts is still the safest way to go, in terms of the risk involved. Cano was the best free agent available two seasons ago. I know that we were not in need of a 2B, but anyone be okay with the Sox giving him such a large contract? Does anyone still want Ellsbury back with his contract?

[Spudboy]

Thank you for answering.

 

I'm not talking about an injury. Injuries happen and they cannot be foreseen, although that is always something that should be taken into consideration when handing out large contracts.

 

I think that Price will be very good for the front end of his contract. I will not be upset if the Sox sign him. However, I will still shudder at that contract and hope that it does not come back to bite us, especially in the back years.

 

If Price is signed and is healthy, but stinks anyway, will you blame the FO for making such a terrible signing?

 

 

No. At least they will have made a move that had every chance of being a good one as Price has always been good to great without the eating disorder or petulant behavior of a 13 year old girl.

[a700hitter]

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If Price is signed and is healthy, but stinks anyway, will you blame the FO for making such a terrible signing?

He will only stink if he is injured or he just doesn't want to play in Boston. The FO needs to do it it's due diligence on those issues.

 

If he is healthy, he is not going to stink. That is not going to happen. He will perform in the early years, but age and wear and tear might result in underperformance in the later years of the contract. That would not be unexpected.

[a700hitter]

For me it's not so much about the price as it is about the length of the contract. While I know it will never happen, it would take 5 years or fewer for me to not shudder.

 

So you shuddered at the 8 year contract for Manny Ramirez and the 6 year contract for Pedro?

[mvp 78]

So you shuddered at the 8 year contract for Manny Ramirez and the 6 year contract for Pedro?

 

Those schlubs? Not worth it imo.

[Kimmi]

He will only stink if he is injured or he just doesn't want to play in Boston. The FO needs to do it it's due diligence on those issues.

 

If he is healthy, he is not going to stink. That is not going to happen. He will perform in the early years, but age and wear and tear might result in underperformance in the later years of the contract. That would not be unexpected.

 

You have no way of knowing that for sure. Chances are that he will be very good for the first several years of the contract, but there is always the possibility, however small, that he won't.

 

I get that you don't want to answer the question. But don't state something as fact that isn't just to avoid it.

[Kimmi]

So you shuddered at the 8 year contract for Manny Ramirez and the 6 year contract for Pedro?

 

I shudder at any long term contract. You seem to be mistaking my dislike of long term contracts for my dislike of the Sox signing certain players. That's not the case. I disliked Pablo's contract but was very happy to have him on the team. In some cases, I might even agree that a certain contract is necessary, but shudder at it anyway. Had the Sox signed Lester for whatever their final offer was, such would be the case.

[a700hitter]

You have no way of knowing that for sure. Chances are that he will be very good for the first several years of the contract, but there is always the possibility, however small, that he won't.

 

I get that you don't want to answer the question. But don't state something as fact that isn't just to avoid it.

If he stinks from day one without being injured or because he didn't want to play in Boston or for some other reason that should have been discovered during due diligence, that would be a true enigma, and no one would be to blame. And the chances of that are less than one tenth of one percent (.001)

[a700hitter]

I shudder at any long term contract. You seem to be mistaking my dislike of long term contracts for my dislike of the Sox signing certain players. That's not the case. I disliked Pablo's contract but was very happy to have him on the team. In some cases, I might even agree that a certain contract is necessary, but shudder at it anyway. Had the Sox signed Lester for whatever their final offer was, such would be the case.

Talk about evading an answer! If you shudder at all long term contracts, and since you didn't deny that Pedro's and Manny's contracts made you shudder, I would have to conclude that those contracts also made you shudder. If that is the case, fair enough. From day one of those acquisitions, I enjoyed every minute of watching those guys play, and I am glad that Duke had the balls to pull the trigger on those deals.

[cp176]

I disagree on the Porcello and Hanley contracts. I thought there were good reasons for signing both, but I'm not going to state my case again. As you said, it's been beaten to death.

 

I really thought the Sox would go the extra step and add a frontline starter too, but I was okay that they didn't. The team that they assembled should have been competitive. They took a chance on an offense first philosophy, which does make sense even if you don't agree with it. Even I don't agree with it. That doesn't make it wrong. And the fact that it didn't work doesn't make it wrong either.

 

They took a chance that made sense to them and most of the baseball "experts". You didn't like the chance that they took. I understand that. But I don't see the difference between it being okay to take a chance with Price and living with it if it doesn't work out, and the Sox taking a chance on Hanley and having to live with that, other than you like/agree with the former and you dislike/disagree with the latter.

 

I know that you are a serious person so I will just leave it alone. I do not think that it is even a remote comparison if you are talking any conceivable connection between Ramirez and Price. The Ramirez signing was questioned not just by the fan base. I think that you know that. If a top of the rotation guy had been signed, Ben might still be here. The Ramirez sign would still look bad. It was certainly questionable last spring.

[Dojji]

Honestly I didn't mind bringing in Hanley. Everyone and their grandmother knows the real reason he's here is to take over at DH when Big Papi retires. It was also bring in Panda that I had issues with because it boxed Hanley into playing out of position and took away the flexibility to deal with the fallout if it failed -- and then it did fail and we're stuck with 2 bad contracts we didn't need to have to absorb.

[jad]

Only the Red sox can argue that their plans have been thwarted and their hopes dashed by players (Ortiz, Shaw, Holt) playing better than expected.

[a700hitter]

Honestly I didn't mind bringing in Hanley. Everyone and their grandmother knows the real reason he's here is to take over at DH when Big Papi retires. It was also bring in Panda that I had issues with because it boxed Hanley into playing out of position and took away the flexibility to deal with the fallout if it failed -- and then it did fail and we're stuck with 2 bad contracts we didn't need to have to absorb.

If Papi gets 500-600 PAs this year, doesn't he vest for another year? I wouldn't be surprised if he plays 2 more years. If he does, then we signed HanRam for 4 years to take over DH in the last year of his contract. That is not a wise move in my opinion if that was the strategy.

[Kimmi]

If he stinks from day one without being injured or because he didn't want to play in Boston or for some other reason that should have been discovered during due diligence, that would be a true enigma, and no one would be to blame. And the chances of that are less than one tenth of one percent (.001)

 

It wouldn't be the first time a player was unable to perform in this pressure cooker. I agree that it would be an enigma if Price pitched poorly, just as it was an enigma that Porcello pitched so poorly, and that no one, including the GM, should be blamed.

 

LOL at .001 percent. Please, stop stating things that aren't fact as though they are.

[Bellhorn04]

If Papi gets 500-600 PAs this year, doesn't he vest for another year? I wouldn't be surprised if he plays 2 more years. If he does, then we signed HanRam for 4 years to take over DH in the last year of his contract. That is not a wise move in my opinion if that was the strategy.

 

This is true, paying Hanley 88 million to take over DH in 2018 doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[Kimmi]

Talk about evading an answer! If you shudder at all long term contracts, and since you didn't deny that Pedro's and Manny's contracts made you shudder, I would have to conclude that those contracts also made you shudder. If that is the case, fair enough. From day one of those acquisitions, I enjoyed every minute of watching those guys play, and I am glad that Duke had the balls to pull the trigger on those deals.

 

I didn't evade any answer. I am pretty sure that saying that I shudder at all long term contracts means that I shuddered at Pedro's and Manny's contracts.

 

Again, you seem to be mistaking that for meaning that I was unhappy with either Pedro or Manny on the team, which is not the case. I don't like long term contracts, but I understand that they are sometimes necessary.

 

There are certain players, though few and far between, that I would even break the bank for. Pedro in his prime is one of them. ARod in his prime was another one, but thank goodness that didn't happen. Price is not one of them, but as a fan, I would be happy if the Sox signed him, even though I wouldn't like his contract.

[a700hitter]

I didn't evade any answer. I am pretty sure that saying that I shudder at all long term contracts means that I shuddered at Pedro's and Manny's contracts.

 

Again, you seem to be mistaking that for meaning that I was unhappy with either Pedro or Manny on the team, which is not the case. I don't like long term contracts, but I understand that they are sometimes necessary.

 

There are certain players, though few and far between, that I would even break the bank for. Pedro in his prime is one of them. ARod in his prime was another one, but thank goodness that didn't happen. Price is not one of them, but as a fan, I would be happy if the Sox signed him, even though I wouldn't like his contract.

So did you shudder at Pedro's contract or not? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you would sign the guy and like having him on the team, what are you shuddering about. Just enjoy getting a great player to watch. I just don't get the shuddering thing. It just seems fatalistic to me. Not very optimistic.

[Kimmi]

I know that you are a serious person so I will just leave it alone. I do not think that it is even a remote comparison if you are talking any conceivable connection between Ramirez and Price. The Ramirez signing was questioned not just by the fan base. I think that you know that. If a top of the rotation guy had been signed, Ben might still be here. The Ramirez sign would still look bad. It was certainly questionable last spring.

 

Every signing is questioned by someone. I can guarantee you that someone will question the Price signing, no matter where he signs. I am not trying to compare Price to Ramirez in terms of the category of player. But in comparison to their contracts, they're comparable. Price's contract will likely be more than double what Hanley got, and close to twice as many years. Price is already 30. There is reason to question such a contract. Some will question his ability to handle the pressure. Some will question whether he will disrupt the clubhouse because of his history with Papi.

 

I don't see any difference between the two situations other than you agreeing with one and disagreeing with the other.

[Dojji]

So did you shudder at Pedro's contract or not? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

No she's not. There's a difference between being a hypocrite and being a moderate. There's a difference between talking out of both sides of your mouth and understanding both sides of the issue. I pity you if you can't easily discern between the two.

[Dojji]

So did you shudder at Pedro's contract or not? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you would sign the guy and like having him on the team, what are you shuddering about. Just enjoy getting a great player to watch. I just don't get the shuddering thing. It just seems fatalistic to me. Not very optimistic.

 

Pedro's contract for the time was huge. It was a major risk to take. If you can take those kinds of risks without at least one good shudder, even with a player as good as Pedro, then you either have no soul, or you're an irresponsible idiot, I'll leave you to pick.

[a700hitter]

Pedro's contract for the time was huge. It was a major risk to take. If you can take those kinds of risks without at least one good shudder, even with a player as good as Pedro, then you either have no soul, or you're an irresponsible idiot, I'll leave you to pick.

Two ******* posts in a row. Go for three and win a prize. Lol!

[Kimmi]

This is true, paying Hanley 88 million to take over DH in 2018 doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

This was not the sole reason or even the main reason that Hanley was signed. However, having some back up for Papi, just in case, was another reason why his signing made sense.

[cp176]

Every signing is questioned by someone. I can guarantee you that someone will question the Price signing, no matter where he signs. I am not trying to compare Price to Ramirez in terms of the category of player. But in comparison to their contracts, they're comparable. Price's contract will likely be more than double what Hanley got, and close to twice as many years. Price is already 30. There is reason to question such a contract. Some will question his ability to handle the pressure. Some will question whether he will disrupt the clubhouse because of his history with Papi.

 

I don't see any difference between the two situations other than you agreeing with one and disagreeing with the other.

 

We all know that most of the contracts are ridiculous. Nothing new there. You are absolutely right - I would not like the size of the contract but signing Price makes sense to me. He would fill a need that should have been filled last year. I have a hard time accepting the logic behind signing Ramirez. Actually I didn't and still don't accept it. I am happy for you that signing him was a solid move. Trust me, I would feel the same about signing anyone to a huge contract if they were a position player who had to change their position in order to play. I do have faith in the organization. Signing a top of the rotation pitcher represents an entirely different situation to me.

[Kimmi]

No she's not. There's a difference between being a hypocrite and being a moderate. There's a difference between talking out of both sides of your mouth and understanding both sides of the issue. I pity you if you can't easily discern between the two.

 

Thank you, for this post and the following one.

[Kimmi]

We all know that most of the contracts are ridiculous. Nothing new there. You are absolutely right - I would not like the size of the contract but signing Price makes sense to me. He would fill a need that should have been filled last year. I have a hard time accepting the logic behind signing Ramirez. Actually I didn't and still don't accept it. I am happy for you that signing him was a solid move. Trust me, I would feel the same about signing anyone to a huge contract if they were a position player who had to change their position in order to play. I do have faith in the organization. Signing a top of the rotation pitcher represents an entirely different situation to me.

 

Signing Price would fill a need, and I think it would be a great signing for about 3 years. My concern is what happens in the 5th or 6th years and later if/when he becomes an albatross? Eating a contract of that size is not something that teams can readily do. We would likely be stuck with handing him the ball every 5th day even though he was no longer getting the job done. That same contract would likely keep the team from signing another player to fill another need.