Pedroia to the 15 day DL

[User Name]

Pedroia is not one of the many problems this team has.

[wyo-sox]

Pedroia is the heart and soul of this team. That might be cliche', but it has merit. IMO, he is worth more to our team than he would be worth to any other team in a trade.

 

Ok, but the heart and soul of a basement team is worth what? And let me be clear- I'm not saying we should trade Dustin, my position is that I would in a heart beat if it was a good deal for the future.

 

We can say stuff like a player is the heart and soul of a team... but we do not really have a clue... and even its true, if he is the heart and sole of a losing team....I would submit that's more of a reason to move him. I do know that nice run we had prior to the all star break was in the absence of Dustin.

[mvp 78]

Ok, but the heart and soul of a basement team is worth what? And let me be clear- I'm not saying we should trade Dustin, my position is that I would in a heart beat if it was a good deal for the future.

 

We can say stuff like a player is the heart and soul of a team... but we do not really have a clue... and even its true, if he is the heart and sole of a losing team....I would submit that's more of a reason to move him. I do know that nice run we had prior to the all star break was in the absence of Dustin.

 

Greatest post ever.

[wyo-sox]

Pedroia is not one of the many problems this team has.

 

Agree 100%; however, that should not be exclusive with being untouchable if he could yield a good trade. Not being a problem, is not the same as being a solution.

[User Name]

What I'm arguing for, is this team focusing on pitching. Both the rotation and BP are in shambles. The offense has a chance to bounce back all by itself. The Pitching needs help.

[a700hitter]

When Ralph Kiner asked Branch Rickey, Rickey told him "[w]e finished last with you. I am pretty sure that we can finish without you." The same sentiment applies to Pedroia.

[wyo-sox]

What I'm arguing for, is this team focusing on pitching. Both the rotation and BP are in shambles. The offense has a chance to bounce back all by itself. The Pitching needs help.

 

Couldn't agree with you more. And I agree so much I'd happily trade any infielder (maybe not X Bog) to help our pitching.

[dupree]

I'd trade him in a heart beat and let him go to the Guardians so he can suck on Tito's cock some more if they give us some young pitchers back. We have Betts and options in the minors to fill the void left by Pedoria. A World Series in the future isnt gonna be won by DP heart who is hurt more often than not, it's gonna be won by damn good pitching and we don't have that. I'd open the gate a let him go like we did Nomar.

[a700hitter]

I'd trade him in a heart beat and let him go to the Guardians so he can suck on Tito's cock some more if they give us some young pitchers back. We have Betts and options in the minors to fill the void left by Pedoria. A World Series in the future isnt gonna be won by DP heart who is hurt more often than not, it's gonna be won by damn good pitching and we don't have that. I'd open the gate a let him go like we did Nomar.

He's not going to bring back a big time pitcher.

[Spudboy]

Pedroia is the heart and soul of this team. That might be cliche', but it has merit. IMO, he is worth more to our team than he would be worth to any other team in a trade.

 

This is all true. But making roster decisions based on emotion and sentiment is not a great way to operate.

 

I love what Pedroia has done for this team. But his best days are probably in the past. If they could manage to get anything useful for him they should do it.

 

They dumped Nomar and he was a God in this town.

 

Imagine if they could move Papi. That would make some decisions easier to make.

[dupree]

Yes it would, but I think Papi picks up his player option and trys it one more season and if they finish last he will be done. It wouldn't surprise me if he announces in the offseason that 2016 will be his last and has a final year like Rivera had in his last. And just be done anyways. He will probably be the next Red Sox hitting coach anyways.

[BigPapi]

Yes it would, but I think Papi picks up his player option and trys it one more season and if they finish last he will be done. It wouldn't surprise me if he announces in the offseason that 2016 will be his last and has a final year like Rivera had in his last. And just be done anyways. He will probably be the next Red Sox hitting coach anyways.

 

He did say last year that he doesn't want to be like jeter and announce his retirement right before the season he was going to retire, but I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind. Barring injury, he will probably be around five or so hrs away from 500 at the end of the season. I don't see him playing in 2017 unless he thinks the team has a great title shot.

Edited July 26, 2015 by BigPapi

[Kimmi]

Ok, but the heart and soul of a basement team is worth what? And let me be clear- I'm not saying we should trade Dustin, my position is that I would in a heart beat if it was a good deal for the future.

 

We can say stuff like a player is the heart and soul of a team... but we do not really have a clue... and even its true, if he is the heart and sole of a losing team....I would submit that's more of a reason to move him. I do know that nice run we had prior to the all star break was in the absence of Dustin.

 

Every player is tradeable for the right price. Pedroia is no exception. I just don't see the Sox getting back what he is worth for the team. Also, I believe the team can contend next season with the right offseason moves. I don't see the point in creating another hole where there doesn't need to be one.

 

As far as the heart and soul business goes, no, we don't have a clue. As much as I love my stats, this is one of the intangible things that I truly believe in, despite us having no way of measuring its effect. I have no proof whatsoever, but I think any Red Sox team is better with him on it.

[Kimmi]

Agree 100%; however, that should not be exclusive with being untouchable if he could yield a good trade. Not being a problem, is not the same as being a solution.

 

That is true, but I think Pedroia is part of the solution for next season.

[Kimmi]

What I'm arguing for, is this team focusing on pitching. Both the rotation and BP are in shambles. The offense has a chance to bounce back all by itself. The Pitching needs help.

 

There is a reason why people call you The King.

[Spudboy]

The outfield remains a mess.

 

No one is discussing this at all.

[Kimmi]

The outfield remains a mess.

 

No one is discussing this at all.

 

I would like to see an outfield of JBJ, Betts, and Castillo, whom I think would be very good defensively. The question is whether they going to be strong enough offensively.

[Spudboy]

I would like to see an outfield of JBJ, Betts, and Castillo, whom I think would be very good defensively. The question is whether they going to be strong enough offensively.

 

They need to s*** or get off the pot with JBJ. He is mauling AAA.

 

Castillo is nowhere near MLB ready according to the experts that I have heard discuss him. He needs to remain in AAA to learn how to play baseball, one of them said.

 

As I said, the outfield is still a mess. Hanley did not change anything. He sucks at one phase of the game. Right field is still a black hole as well. Nothing has changed for the better since last year.

 

At least Betts continues to improve.

[Spudboy]

The people who "projected" our outfield to be improved were dead wrong. Graig never did make the grade as was strongly suggested. Victorino was not healthy for most of the season and can't seem to go back to back now. Goldie Locks has sucked ass in left field. He has not even been the vaunted "Replacement Level". Castillo has been edging toward bust rather than being a frequent contributor. A 72 Mil rookie that can not stay on the field.

 

This is yet another of the Sox roster building failures.

 

To me, it's inexcusable.

Edited July 27, 2015 by Spudboy

[a700hitter]

The people who "projected" our outfield to be improved were dead wrong. Graig never did make the grade as was strongly suggested. Victorino was not healthy for most of the season and can't seem to go back to back now. Goldie Locks has sucked ass in left field. He has not even been the vaunted "Replacement Level". Castillo has been edging toward bust rather than being a frequent contributor. A 72 Mil rookie that can not stay on the field.

 

This is yet another of the Sox roster building failures.

 

To me, it's inexcusable.

it is becoming pretty obvious that Ben is clueless.

[Kimmi]

The people who "projected" our outfield to be improved were dead wrong. Graig never did make the grade as was strongly suggested. Victorino was not healthy for most of the season and can't seem to go back to back now. Goldie Locks has sucked ass in left field. He has not even been the vaunted "Replacement Level". Castillo has been edging toward bust rather than being a frequent contributor. A 72 Mil rookie that can not stay on the field.

 

This is yet another of the Sox roster building failures.

 

To me, it's inexcusable.

 

The people who projected more or less everything about our team were dead wrong. Practically the whole team and every move made have been failures. We get that. Now the task is to fix it. We're at the point where I would call up at least one of JBJ or Castillo, if not both, and let them play the season out as our every day outfielders. JBJ, Castillo, and Hanley should all work out at that players institute that Pedroia attends every offseason. It seems to have done wonders for Xander this year.

[a700hitter]

The people who projected more or less everything about our team were dead wrong. Practically the whole team and every move made have been failures. We get that. Now the task is to fix it. We're at the point where I would call up at least one of JBJ or Castillo, if not both, and let them play the season out as our every day outfielders. JBJ, Castillo, and Hanley should all work out at that players institute that Pedroia attends every offseason. It seems to have done wonders for Xander this year.

No, I wasn't wrong. Neither were many others. The FO was wrong. That is an accurate statement,

[Dojji]

What I'm arguing for, is this team focusing on pitching. Both the rotation and BP are in shambles. The offense has a chance to bounce back all by itself. The Pitching needs help.

 

YMMV, but I actually think that the real problem is subtler than that. The positional defense as it stands right now is not very good. We try so hard on this team to get good hitters into every position that we sometimes forget that position players also need to play positions.

 

The heart got cut out of this team when the catching went down, but we've got holes and learning players all over the diamond defensively. That's not going to help the pitching.

 

Part of the solution is to improve the positional defense of the team. I have nothing against Bogaerts, but if I had the chance to move him to third and put a true top defender in short I'd do it right now. And I'd be looking to slot as many young players as I can into the positions they're projected to play the next time we're relevant.

 

Oh and I'd look into playing Hanley at first base, which solves 2 different problems for the team almost immediately.

[User Name]

The Hanley at 1st idea is great, moving Bogaerts is a terrible idea. The improvement he's shown in both aspects of the game is significant, and there's still room for growth.

[cp176]

YMMV, but I actually think that the real problem is subtler than that. The positional defense as it stands right now is not very good. We try so hard on this team to get good hitters into every position that we sometimes forget that position players also need to play positions.

 

The heart got cut out of this team when the catching went down, but we've got holes and learning players all over the diamond defensively. That's not going to help the pitching.

 

Part of the solution is to improve the positional defense of the team. I have nothing against Bogaerts, but if I had the chance to move him to third and put a true top defender in short I'd do it right now. And I'd be looking to slot as many young players as I can into the positions they're projected to play the next time we're relevant.

 

Oh and I'd look into playing Hanley at first base, which solves 2 different problems for the team almost immediately.

 

I think that when you have a top defender at short, it is a good idea to leave him there. Sandoval+Ramirez- All the possible solutions still don't seem to make any sense. ramirez is dh who won't be dhing for a while. Sandoval at third and Ramirez at first might make our infield defense about as weak as it could get. same goes for Ramirez at third and sandoval at first. glad I don't have to solve those problems.

[a700hitter]

I think that when you have a top defender at short, it is a good idea to leave him there. Sandoval+Ramirez- All the possible solutions still don't seem to make any sense. ramirez is dh who won't be dhing for a while. Sandoval at third and Ramirez at first might make our infield defense about as weak as it could get. same goes for Ramirez at third and sandoval at first. glad I don't have to solve those problems.

If Napoli gets moved at the Trading Deadline, they can move Hanley to first base this season. If it doesn't work out, they will know whether they need to get a first baseman in the offseason. Playing 2 months at first in meaninless games would be a good crash course to teach him the position without sacrificing another season. If we wait until next season to move Panda and hanley around the infield, the results would likely be disastrous.

[cp176]

If Napoli gets moved at the Trading Deadline, they can move Hanley to first base this season. If it doesn't work out, they will know whether they need to get a first baseman in the offseason. Playing 2 months at first in meaninless games would be a good crash course to teach him the position without sacrificing another season. If we wait until next season to move Panda and hanley around the infield, the results would likely be disastrous.

 

That makes sense. That is part of the problem though. That would be a common sense move and I'm not sure how high up on the old common sense scale our boys rate.

[a700hitter]

That makes sense. That is part of the problem though. That would be a common sense move and I'm not sure how high up on the old common sense scale our boys rate.

They' ll run the idea by Bill James first. LOL!!

[Spudboy]

I think putting either Fatboy or Hanley at first will end in disaster. Neither has the mobility to cover that position. Throws would end up near the tarp every day.

 

I still say moving Swihart to 1st if Nap is dumped is worth investigating. He will not be a catcher for his entire career anyway if his offense is legit.

 

Get rid of Fatboy somehow and move Hanley to 3rd until he is DH.

 

Go with Vasquez and Hannigan behind the plate for 2016.

 

Obviously there are no guarantees that this would work out. Like everything else the dopes in the FO have tried.

 

Getting those two "big bats" and locking them up for 4-5 years was a real boob maneuver. It handcuffs the roster unless the Sox decide to eat large chunks of mullah.

[a700hitter]

I think putting either Fatboy or Hanley at first will end in disaster. Neither has the mobility to cover that position. Throws would end up near the tarp every day.

 

I still say moving Swihart to 1st if Nap is dumped is worth investigating. He will not be a catcher for his entire career anyway if his offense is legit.

 

Get rid of Fatboy somehow and move Hanley to 3rd until he is DH.

 

Go with Vasquez and Hannigan behind the plate for 2016.

 

Obviously there are no guarantees that this would work out. Like everything else the dopes in the FO have tried.

 

Getting those two "big bats" and locking them up for 4-5 years was a real boob maneuver. It handcuffs the roster unless the Sox decide to eat large chunks of mullah.

I would be on board with this strategy, but I would be shocked if they dump Panda.

 

By the way, at the rate that he is gaining weight, we may see Panda sporting a Mama Cass Muu Muu in September. Our marketing department would view it as an opportunity and sell the hell out of it.