Do you think it was a good idea for the Red Sox to extend Wade Miley for 3 years?

[Palodios]

How did you vote?

 

There isn't a "Not enough information yet" option.

[a700hitter]

There isn't a "Not enough information yet" option.

It is a point in time snapshot. It is meant to look back at the results after more information is available.

[User Name]

Do you see the conflict between these two statements?

 

I am going to tell you the same thing I tell every one of my American friends who comes visit me in the storage of industrial-level crazy that is the Dominican Republic: "You are trying to apply logic where logic does not apply".

[SoxHop]

 

Taking this chance to mess around with attaching pitchers.

[iortiz]

I am going to tell you the same thing I tell every one of my American friends who comes visit me in the storage of industrial-level crazy that is the Dominican Republic: "You are trying to apply logic where logic does not apply".

 

If you think that his signing is a good idea, why don't you take the bet and stop this cheap talk?

[kreinbihl34]

If you think that his signing is a good idea, why don't you take the bet and stop this cheap talk?

 

Everything with you is a bet. Just stop because putting money up doesn't prove a damn thing, other than you have the money to blow. It's a risk to extend any pitcher, period. The Red Sox, in order to splurge in other areas, took a risk that this was a good bet. You sure as hell don't sell stock that you plan on investing for three years if it has one bad quarter.

[a700hitter]

Iortiz has a pretty good track record with betting. He's not putting the money up to blow it. He's putting it up to make more money. LOL!!

[User Name]

Everything with you is a bet. Just stop because putting money up doesn't prove a damn thing, other than you have the money to blow. It's a risk to extend any pitcher, period. The Red Sox, in order to splurge in other areas, took a risk that this was a good bet. You sure as hell don't sell stock that you plan on investing for three years if it has one bad quarter.

 

Logic? In MY Talksox?

[iortiz]

Iortiz has a pretty good track record with betting. He's not putting the money up to blow it. He's putting it up to make more money. LOL!!

 

LOL!, as I said, Porcello is easy money.

[a700hitter]

LOL!, as I said, Porcello is easy money.

You got mocked for the thread about the rotation being the worst in 10 years, but it is playing out in the early part of the season. You were accused of trolling, but the question was very legitimate, and the SP performance is bearing that out.

[Jasonbay44]

I was never a Miley fan, his ERA/WHIP have been trending up and he was pitching in the NL West. I didn't like the extension, especially considering he hadn't even made one start with the team and would have to adjust to a new league. That being said, this isn't a move that will kill the team, and there is no way in hell he is going to be this awful all year. Obviously now the extension looks horrible, but I would give it a little longer before fully judging.

[iortiz]

Everything with you is a bet. Just stop because putting money up doesn't prove a damn thing, other than you have the money to blow. It's a risk to extend any pitcher, period. The Red Sox, in order to splurge in other areas, took a risk that this was a good bet. You sure as hell don't sell stock that you plan on investing for three years if it has one bad quarter.

 

I do not need to prove anything. On the other hand I'm willing to bet where my mouth is. I've been saying that this guy sucked, sucks, and will suck. If someone think the opposite fine, but if someone wants to back their opinions about Porcello making it more interesting and fun with a bet, I'm here.

Edited April 28, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

You got mocked for the thread about the rotation being the worst in 10 years, but it is playing out in the early part of the season. You were accused of trolling, but the question was very legitimate, and the SP performance is bearing that out.

 

Sure it is still early, but honestly I see very little chances to turn this thing around. I can't believe we put a rotation lead by Buch and Porcello, it is a f***ing joke. The time passed and I said, ok it is going to be a year, but when they locked these two out, I said unbelievable. An orangutang would have managed this regard better.

Edited April 28, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

It is a point in time snapshot. It is meant to look back at the results after more information is available.

 

I think you can use the recent and his past information to emit a vote, no big deal.

[iortiz]

You got mocked for the thread about the rotation being the worst in 10 years, but it is playing out in the early part of the season. You were accused of trolling, but the question was very legitimate, and the SP performance is bearing that out.

 

That thread is like a blasphemy here LOL!

 

In FB, tweeter, etc. a lot of fans think that this rotation is the worst in history on paper even before the season started.

[mvp 78]

I hope no one here is putting their mouth where their money is. That sounds disgusting.

[Bellhorn04]

Nope, I'm declaring that he is a bust since what he did aside last year. As I said, last year was nothing but a fluke year.

 

Thanks to Porcello I have made a lot of money thus far betting against him, he has been easy money, and when He was announced to come to Boston that pissed me off a lot.

 

What type of bets have you been placing against him?

[User Name]

I hope no one here is putting their mouth where their money is. That sounds disgusting.

 

Kind of a leathery taste, probably.

[iortiz]

What type of bets have you been placing against him?

 

handicap 4 1/2, mostly.

[OriginalUsername]

Was he extended or did they just buy out his arb years? That makes a difference imo.

 

I haven't liked what I've seen from him at all so far, but it's far too soon to write him off.

 

The whole rotation needs consistency. Kelly and Buchholz are either great or cannon fodder. Porcello has had some really good stretches, followed shortly by innings he seems to think he's throwing BP. Masterson hasn't done anything noteworthy. But the team is hovering above .500 with the rest of the division so there is time to let these guys try to and work it out and get used to their surroundings.

 

Porcello didn't have any arbitration years after this season so the 80 million contract is all free agency.

[Spudboy]

If you think that his signing is a good idea, why don't you take the bet and stop this cheap talk?

 

Why keep on insisting that others take a bet on an issue that they do not agree with you on?

 

Even if they bet lose it does not make you more right.

 

Personally, I only bet when I am 100% sure that I am right.

 

Betting does not indicate that one is more confident or more correct, either.

[iortiz]

Why keep on insisting that others take a bet on an issue that they do not agree with you on?

 

Even if they bet lose it does not make you more right.

 

Personally, I only bet when I am 100% sure that I am right.

 

Betting does not indicate that one is more confident or more correct, either.

 

1. Who else aside U? I've been "insisting" to bet?. I made an open offer, but I'm not insisting to nobody. U? says that I do not make sense and all that ********. I said lets cut the cheap talk about Porcello and lets bet, why does it bother you?

 

2. If we bet about something, someone is going to be right and someone will be wrong. it is what it is regarding on what we bet. In this case if Porcello posts an era above 4, well, I'll be right while some of you wrong, it applies in the other way, no big deal.

 

3. There's nothing 100% sure in bets, so even when you are 100% sure, there's no guaranty.

 

4. I do not bet all the time when I confident about something, but in this case I would bet for fun and money. You can take it or leve it, it is up to you.

[Bellhorn04]

handicap 4 1/2, mostly.

 

Thanks, but unfortunately I have no idea how that works.

[seabeachfred]

That thread is like a blasphemy here LOL!

 

In FB, tweeter, etc. a lot of fans think that this rotation is the worst in history on paper even before the season started.

 

Israel----This is not aimed at any one poster in particular because there are about seven to ten of them here, but those people simply do NOT like reading anything that makes them unhappy or slams anything about the Red Sox. Too bad I say. They don't have to read those posts that upset them or they can put their "antagonizers" on ignore. You were totally on point before the season when you insisted we needed TWO good starting pitchers to enter the season. You have been painfully proven right but instead of saying the guy was on to something, instead the reaction is anger, willfulness and constant denial. Hold your ground if you think you're right---concede on points where your ideas might be a little shaky. I still think Porcello might turn out fine for us.....but you don't and right now you are in total command on that issue. However, if it turns out that Porcello turns out to be a white elephant don't expect praise and kudos but instead a variety of smart alecky remarks and resentment from t hose who were wrong. As good a board as this is, that is one of the problems I've seen here since I've been a poster.

[User Name]

Even if we put people on ignore, other people's quotes sometimes force you to read theirs. Also, (and Iortiz is the number one culprit of this on the site) some people here just love to needle and talk s*** then get offended when others fire back.

[Northern Star]

I don't care what ace money is nowadays, Porcello is going from $12mil to $20mil four straight years. That's an overpay pure and simple and Ben is a moron.

[SoxHop]

1. Who else aside U? I've been "insisting" to bet?. I made an open offer, but I'm not insisting to nobody. U? says that I do not make sense and all that ********. I said lets cut the cheap talk about Porcello and lets bet, why does it bother you?

 

2. If we bet about something, someone is going to be right and someone will be wrong. it is what it is regarding on what we bet. In this case if Porcello posts an era above 4, well, I'll be right while some of you wrong, it applies in the other way, no big deal.

 

3. There's nothing 100% sure in bets, so even when you are 100% sure, there's no guaranty.

 

4. I do not bet all the time when I confident about something, but in this case I would bet for fun and money. You can take it or leve it, it is up to you.

 

Why in the world would anyone bet Porcello is going to have an era well below his career average.

 

No one would have taken that bet even at the beginning of the year without serious odds.

 

Seems almost silly to ask.

[iortiz]

Israel----This is not aimed at any one poster in particular because there are about seven to ten of them here, but those people simply do NOT like reading anything that makes them unhappy or slams anything about the Red Sox. Too bad I say. They don't have to read those posts that upset them or they can put their "antagonizers" on ignore. You were totally on point before the season when you insisted we needed TWO good starting pitchers to enter the season. You have been painfully proven right but instead of saying the guy was on to something, instead the reaction is anger, willfulness and constant denial. Hold your ground if you think you're right---concede on points where your ideas might be a little shaky. I still think Porcello might turn out fine for us.....but you don't and right now you are in total command on that issue. However, if it turns out that Porcello turns out to be a white elephant don't expect praise and kudos but instead a variety of smart alecky remarks and resentment from t hose who were wrong. As good a board as this is, that is one of the problems I've seen here since I've been a poster.

Thanks for your words Fred.

 

I really, really wish, hope and desire that I'm wrong about my opinion regarding this pitching staff. As I said, this team is pretty unbalanced and probably they will be one of the worst rotations in baseball at the end of the season. In the end we all want that this team win but without pitching is going to be tough.

[User Name]

I don't care what ace money is nowadays, Porcello is going from $12mil to $20mil four straight years. That's an overpay pure and simple and Ben is a moron.

 

Honest question: Do you actually follow baseball?

 

See, there are three points to Porcello's contract: Age, health and past performance. If you take those three components into account and look at prior market history, it was literally almost impossible for the Sox (or any team for that matter) to get Porcello at much less than 20 million per and less than 6 years. Overpaying in money for less years is a way to minimize the inherent risk in pitcher contracts. It's a simple concept. If Porcello ends a 180 IP, 4.00 ERA pitcher, the overpay isn't even significant enough to be worth mentioning, especially considering his age.

 

You can't just throw your hands up and say "I don't care what the market is", because if the Red Sox don't maneuver around the limitations of the market, they would get f***ING NO ONE.

 

You're smart enough that such a dumb assertion is honestly surprising.

[iortiz]

Why in the world would anyone bet Porcello is going to have an era well below his career average.

 

No one would have taken that bet even at the beginning of the year without serious odds.

 

Seems almost silly to ask.

 

Well, 2 posters already took my offer, and some were willing to bet their sig. I like to bet money but I made the sig bet with Kimmi as well.

 

Some here were projecting an ERA around 3.5. Some here were saying that he was going to be nothing but better. Well, I offered a bet which is a bargain for them, considering those projections.