PawSox 2015

[User Name]

They are both bogus, but you don't quite understand that winning is a team's accomplishment. It's even more useless because unlike QS it doesn't have defined parameters the pitcher can control. An SP can give up eight runs and walk away with a win (Hi Tim Wakefield).

[Palodios]

It's probably a safe bet that he doesn't give us a quality start. BTW, a QS needs to be redefined in a post steroid age. Six innings and 3 Runs is a 4.5 ERA -- basically you suck. That is not quality. They need to add an inning or subtract a run or both. It is a meaningless stat. Here's one that should generate some debate. I think that in today's game a QS is more meaningless than a Win for a pitcher. At least the win was an accomplishment getting your team a victory. A QS isn't quality and it often doesn't get your team a victory. It's a bogus stat.

 

It is a difficult benchmark to quantify, but a QS generally lets your team have a chance to win. It isn't a gem, or an excellent start.

 

What I never understood was why 6 IP, 3 ER is a quality start, while 9 IP 4 ER is not.

[cp176]

yup that too. I say time for the young stars to move on up. Great post by the way.

 

 

I don't see any of our young future stars "tearing it up" at any level but I was glad to see the move for Margot and would like to see Devers get a bump up soon as well. I understand patience here. They are playing well but they are not ripping up the pitching that they are facing.

[a700hitter]

It is a difficult benchmark to quantify, but a QS generally lets your team have a chance to win. It isn't a gem, or an excellent start.

 

What I never understood was why 6 IP, 3 ER is a quality start, while 9 IP 4 ER is not.

A lot of pitchers are getting L's on their records while also being credited with a Quality Start. It is a very poor measure for good performance.

[Bellhorn04]

The 6 innings, 3 earned runs is of course the bare minimum for a QS. That point can't be stressed enough (LOL). I guarantee that a pitcher who produces a high number of QS's will have an ERA much lower than 4.50 in those starts.

 

There is also the High Quality Start which I believe has a minimum of 7 innings, 2 earned runs.

 

I agree with Palodios that 9 innings, 4 earned runs should be a QS, not that it happens very often.

[a700hitter]

The 6 innings, 3 earned runs is of course the bare minimum for a QS. That point can't be stressed enough (LOL). I guarantee that a pitcher who produces a high number of QS's will have an ERA much lower than 4.50 in those starts.

 

There is also the High Quality Start which I believe has a minimum of 7 innings, 2 earned runs.

 

I agree with Palodios that 9 innings, 4 earned runs should be a QS, not that it happens very often.

 

The was a day recently where 6 pitchers were credited with Quality Starts, but also lost the game.

[Station 13]

The was a day recently where 6 pitchers were credited with Quality Starts, but also lost the game.

 

That's just how today games are, once the relievers are in, it is usually over for the opponents.

[Behindenemylines]

If Masterson craps out I think we will see Johnson get a shot.

[Station 13]

Joe Kelly did well in AAA. 7IP 4H 1R 1B 4K. He need to string 1 or 2 more like that before he can return.

[a700hitter]

Joe Kelly did well in AAA. 7IP 4H 1R 1B 4K. He need to string 1 or 2 more like that before he can return.

We are wasting time thinking he can be a useful starter. The organization needs to move on from its mistakes.

[cp176]

We are wasting time thinking he can be a useful starter. The organization needs to move on from its mistakes.

 

They are very slow to do both of those two things. Admit mistakes and just move on.

[sk7326]

how does he earn it? I have no clue how prospect evaluations are done. I don't care. Unfortunately in the Red Sox organization, I don't see any 20 year olds tearing anything up.

 

That he is hitting is great, but I think it also has to do with scouting and coaching outcomes. Has his approach changed? Is he still trying to do a Mike Napoli impression? How has he adjusted to the pitches he was getting retired on? Just those sorts of milestones.

[sk7326]

Joe Kelly did well in AAA. 7IP 4H 1R 1B 4K. He need to string 1 or 2 more like that before he can return.

 

4 strikeouts on 26 AAA batters faced tempers my enthusiasm ... he should go in the pen, where I'd expect him to be quite good.

[sk7326]

I don't see any of our young future stars "tearing it up" at any level but I was glad to see the move for Margot and would like to see Devers get a bump up soon as well. I understand patience here. They are playing well but they are not ripping up the pitching that they are facing.

 

The line and the age have to matter too ... Guerra .818 OPS as a 19 year old SS, Devers .306/.336./449 as an 18 year old. What they are doing at ages when you don't expect guys to be in full-season leagues is very encouraging. Margot in Portland as a 20 year old even moreso.

[cp176]

That he is hitting is great, but I think it also has to do with scouting and coaching outcomes. Has his approach changed? Is he still trying to do a Mike Napoli impression? How has he adjusted to the pitches he was getting retired on? Just those sorts of milestones.

 

I think that you are right here. he gets a chance. If he hits for contact, he stands a chance of making it. Personally, I really hope that he does.

[cp176]

The line and the age have to matter too ... Guerra .818 OPS as a 19 year old SS, Devers .306/.336./449 as an 18 year old. What they are doing at ages when you don't expect guys to be in full-season leagues is very encouraging. Margot in Portland as a 20 year old even moreso.

 

 

They are young and they are showing great promise for sure. As the stakes get hire, and the players get better, we will have to see how they do. I really do wish that we had at least one very solid looking arm in the group of youngsters.

[a700hitter]

Johnson pitched to only 1 batter and walked him before he was removed in the first inning yesterday. What is the story behind that?

[Station 13]

He got the 'flu" could mean he is coming up to Boston.

[cp176]

Nice job for Owens last night. Buccholtz- Rodriguez-Johnson-Wright-Owens-

[cp176]

Kelly pitched last night in Pawtucket. He could have helped us in the bullpen last night. We all know that ain't happening.

[a700hitter]

Nice job for Owens last night. Buccholtz- Rodriguez-Johnson-Wright-Owens-

They should bring these guys up immediately. This season is shot. Ben is delusional and doesn't think we need a top of the rotation starter bad enough to pay the price in a trade or free agency, so there will be no help on the way in that way. Standing pat is a recipe for losing and embarrassment. Bring up the kids. There is nothing to lose. The kids will gets much needed seasoning and some of them will prove themselves ready for the big leagues and others will prove that they need more time in the minors and some will show that they just don't have major league stuff. It is better to find it out in a lost season than to have 3 of these guys in the rotation in 2016 without getting them some meaningful experience in 2015. If we throw 3 rookies in the rotation in 2016, we might as well write off 2016 as a last place finish too. There is half Ia season to get these kids experience. They should use it. it isan opportunity for theFOthat they are probably to thick headed and stupid to use as they continue to expect Miley, Porcello and others to lead a pennant charge.

[Palodios]

Here are some key stats for Owens from the last three months. Definitely seeing some improvement in the walks, which has been the biggest criticism he's been getting.

 

April 4.29 ERA, 7.5 BB/9, 1.43 WHIP

May 2.47 ERA, 4.5 BB/9, 1.26 WHIP

June 3.43 ERA, 2.5 BB/9, 0.96 WHIP

[cp176]

Another strong outing for Owens. Most people thought that Rodriguez would not remain in the rotation but would be shipped back to Pawtucket. Didn't happen. I don't know what is going on with Johnson. Wright is going to get another shot and I don't think Owens will be far behind.

[cp176]

On second thought, not that strong for Owens last night. Not good but not bad either.

[cp176]

Brian Johnson selected for the IL All Star Team. Strange that nothing has been seen of him for awhile now.

[cp176]

Johnson pitched well this afternoon. i would love to see any of the following 3 get a chance before giving the ball back to Joe Kelly. Johnson - Wright - Owens.

[cp176]

Another very good outing by Owens last night. Now I get it - With Kelly getting hurt the other night it makes all the sense in the world to leave these guys (Johnson - Owens - Wright ) in Pawtucket. The Pawsox need the good arms more than the big club needs them.

[cp176]

Allen Craig continues to hit in Pawtucket. First base for the big club has to be right around the corner.

[mvp 78]

What part of a .728 OPS makes you think he should be brought up? He's no different than Travis Shaw right now. I'd leave him in AAA and give him a shot next year.

[cp176]

I want to be clear here - just my opinion once again- He has performed at the major league level well already. He is costing the club more money. He is a better player than Shaw will ever be. Ortiz does not want to play first base and shouldn't because there is a very good chance that he will get injured if he does. Hanley Ramirez won't be going there until next year at the earliest. It 's time to consider someone other than Napoli. Personally, I don't want to see Holt become an everyday first baseman. I think it is time to give Craig a shot. Oh yeah - I don't want to see Nava there.