JBJ's Spring

[cp176]

There are probably more than a few managers with IQs only in double digits. Its like putting a monkey in charge of a high tech rocket ship.

 

What do think the average major league baseball player and manager would think of this web-site?

[Spitball]

There are probably more than a few managers with IQs only in double digits. Its like putting a monkey in charge of a high tech rocket ship.

 

Don Zimmer? RIP.

[a700hitter]

What do think the average major league baseball player and manager would think of this web-site?

 

Silly fans with too much time on their hands, if they thought anything at all about it.

[a700hitter]

Don Zimmer? RIP.

 

Lol! I forgot about the gerbil.

[Spudboy]

I thought that we have a thread for Saber talk?

 

JBJ had another assist last night.

[mvp 78]

Silly fans with too much time on their hands, if they thought anything at all about it.

 

I actually agree with this assessment.

[a700hitter]

I actually agree with this assessment.

 

Only you could phrase consent in an insulting manner. None taken.

[Bellhorn04]

There are probably more than a few managers with IQs only in double digits. Its like putting a monkey in charge of a high tech rocket ship.

 

OTOH if a manager acts like Mr. Strategy and looks like a nerd, complete with the Coke bottle glasses, you have Joe Maddon, who irritates the hell out of a lot of people, including the folks who love stats.

[sk7326]

There are probably more than a few managers with IQs only in double digits. Its like putting a monkey in charge of a high tech rocket ship.

 

The manager does not have to be a PhD (in fact, not really desirable). The manager has that job of connecting the information to the stuff on field. Also, I think in a lot of front offices, managers are shifting the way of NFL head coaches - managing your staff of coaches is at least as big a gig as the stuff we see on TV. Francona has been really good at connecting all of those various views - relating to players, developing his coaches, working the media and implementing the front office's baseball philosophy.

 

Actually typing this down, you notice that Bobby V did 0 of those things. Farrell so far has been solid at them.

[a700hitter]

OTOH if a manager acts like Mr. Strategy and looks like a nerd, complete with the Coke bottle glasses, you have Joe Maddon, who irritates the hell out of a lot of people, including the folks who love stats.

And he is so smart that he has handed in a lineup card listing 2 third basemen.

[mvp 78]

Only you could phrase consent in an insulting manner. None taken.

 

Wasn't meant to be insulting in the least.

[a700hitter]

Wasn't meant to be insulting in the least.

I wasn't insulted. You have a unique way of phrasing things. Most of the time it amuses me, and expect that is your intent.

[User Name]

..and yet you wonder why we think you're paranoid.

[Kimmi]

OTOH if a manager acts like Mr. Strategy and looks like a nerd, complete with the Coke bottle glasses, you have Joe Maddon, who irritates the hell out of a lot of people, including the folks who love stats.

 

 

The problem with Maddon is that he takes it to the extreme. He is trying to convince people that he is smarter than he is. He needs to realize that the game is not about him and that he is not the one that the fans come to see.

[Bellhorn04]

The problem with Maddon is that he takes it to the extreme. He is trying to convince people that he is smarter than he is. He needs to realize that the game is not about him and that he is not the one that the fans come to see.

 

What are some of the specific things he has said and done that lead you to that opinion, Kimmi? I'm asking this because, while I dislike him too, I'm not so sure it isn't just because he's one of those people whose looks and style can really get on your nerves.

[User Name]

I'll be totally honest here, I don't hate Maddon. I just think he's unintentionally hilarious and does a brilliant job of selling himself as a smart guy and that's making him a ton of money.

[Bellhorn04]

My question - is Maddon a good manager, a guy who gets the most of out his players?

[cp176]

My question - is Maddon a good manager, a guy who gets the most of out his players?

 

Yup- I think so. I don't like him much though. If he was in Boston, I might think differently.

[a700hitter]

My question - is Maddon a good manager, a guy who gets the most of out his players?

He could never motivate Upton to play hard. The guy dogged it all the time.

[mvp 78]

Anyone can look like a great manager when given the starting rotation that Maddon was handed in TB.

[a700hitter]

Anyone can look like a great manager when given the starting rotation that Maddon was handed in TB.

And anyone can look bookish by wearing coke-bottle eyeglasses.

[mvp 78]

His glasses are more douchey than bookish imo.

[a700hitter]

His glasses are more douchey than bookish imo.

Maybe bouchery-ish

[Spudboy]

His glasses are more douchey than bookish imo.

 

He looks like a hapless villain from the old Batman TV show.

 

POW! BIFF! WHAM!

[sk7326]

He could never motivate Upton to play hard. The guy dogged it all the time.

 

Yet he was better in TB than he has been anywhere else with different managers. Might be about the guy at that point.

[Spudboy]

Yet he was better in TB than he has been anywhere else with different managers. Might be about the guy at that point.

 

Yeah I think that Upton has just never lived up to his hype. Great athletes are not always great players.

 

But I have no way of knowing.

[sk7326]

I'll be totally honest here, I don't hate Maddon. I just think he's unintentionally hilarious and does a brilliant job of selling himself as a smart guy and that's making him a ton of money.

 

Agreed. There is a lot of the smarmy pseudo-intellectualizing which makes me dislike LaRussa. (and LaRussa was worse since he did not seem to understand what SSS is)

 

He is good with young players and doesn't do many tactically stupid things. He is no super genius.

 

He is a good manager - although I'd have a hard time putting him above Francona or Showalter among the active crop.

[a700hitter]

Yet he was better in TB than he has been anywhere else with different managers. Might be about the guy at that point.

More out of fear of Longoria who was going to break him in a half a few times for dogging it. The guy played like a dog his entire time in Tampa.

[seabeachfred]

He looks like a hapless villain from the old Batman TV show.

 

POW! BIFF! WHAM!

 

You got that one right Spud. Still, he used to outclass and make a monkey of Francona in their series duels back when he seemed to know what Terry was going to do or, in his case, not do.

Edited April 17, 2015 by seabeachfred

[User Name]

Anyone can look like a great manager when given the starting rotation that Maddon was handed in TB.

 

Except Dusty Baker.