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They signed a couple of innings eating workhorses in Miley and Porcello. However, I don't think they will get enough of innings, consistency, and good health from the other other 3 --- Masterson, Buchhloz and Kelly. Our depth is insuficient and very thin. I think the starters will start to break down early a nd the team will struggle to stay at .500. I think we finish 3rd, behind the O's and the Jays and just ahead of the Yankees.

 

I don't love the rotation - but I am 100% certain that this is not going to be the rotation this team enters crunch time with.

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I don't love the rotation - but I am 100% certain that this is not going to be the rotation this team enters crunch time with.

 

 

I don't know how much it will help our rotation, but knowing that they have an offense that can score some runs for them certainly must help. They don't have to fear giving up 2 or 3 runs on most occasions, and they don't have to feel like they have to be perfect. I think last year's rotation must have felt that pressure, and it seemed rare that the offense gave them an early lead to work with.

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They signed a couple of innings eating workhorses in Miley and Porcello. However, I don't think they will get enough of innings, consistency, and good health from the other other 3 --- Masterson, Buchhloz and Kelly. Our depth is insuficient and very thin. I think the starters will start to break down early a nd the team will struggle to stay at .500. I think we finish 3rd, behind the O's and the Jays and just ahead of the Yankees.

I couldn't put it better Ted and this is exactly how I feel, although while I see in Porcello and Miley workhorses, I do not see them posting ERAs below 4.

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I couldn't put it better Ted and this is exactly how I feel, although while I see in Porcello and Miley workhorses, I do not see them posting ERAs below 4.

 

This may be rushing things but I really feel the Red Sox should be trying right now (perhaps they are) to land a top quality pitcher from a team that isn't a true contender, or one that has a pitcher who that team will not be able to afford come next season, or from a team that a surplus of good pitching and could use a good hitter or two, or maybe two prospects. We all seem to agree that we need at least one top notch pitcher---some even say two, so if that's the case why wait if we don't have to. And for the record, I do NOT like the idea of having a knuckle ball pitcher like Wright in the rotation again. Seems that means he has to have his own catcher and the results are if he cannot control his pitch the bags get occupied and the result is a track meet. I remember Wakefield's last few years very painfully to have to go through something like that again. It would be nice if one of our young prospects finally did well enough at Pawtucket so we could have a new home grown pitcher contributing to the team for a change.

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This may be rushing things but I really feel the Red Sox should be trying right now (perhaps they are) to land a top quality pitcher from a team that isn't a true contender, or one that has a pitcher who that team will not be able to afford come next season, or from a team that a surplus of good pitching and could use a good hitter or two, or maybe two prospects. We all seem to agree that we need at least one top notch pitcher---some even say two, so if that's the case why wait if we don't have to. And for the record, I do NOT like the idea of having a knuckle ball pitcher like Wright in the rotation again. Seems that means he has to have his own catcher and the results are if he cannot control his pitch the bags get occupied and the result is a track meet. I remember Wakefield's last few years very painfully to have to go through something like that again. It would be nice if one of our young prospects finally did well enough at Pawtucket so we could have a new home grown pitcher contributing to the team for a change.

 

Like you Fred, I am not a fan of Wrights. If he gets the chance, I hope that he proves me wrong but I don't see a Tim Wakefield reincarnate there. Maybe but I just don't see it yet. As for our youngsters, anybodies guess is no better than any one elses. Owens- Rodriguez - johnson - Barnes - maybe one of them makes it maybe not. So Porcello, Miley, Buccholtz are under team control for a few years. At some point, I see them going after the best young free agent available and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they also traded some of our youngins even if they are pitchers if they can get another highly quality proven major league arm.

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I couldn't put it better Ted and this is exactly how I feel, although while I see in Porcello and Miley workhorses, I do not see them posting ERAs below 4.

 

Of course you don't.

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BSN, you have 84 wins from starters. C'mon man? I have some predictions for you...

 

Baltimore wins the East. I know they lost Cruz, but they add back Wieters and Machado and continue to have a vastly underrated rotation and pen.

Boston flounders slightly below .500 until July 1 when they deal for Cole Hamels and an innings eater to replace Buchholz and Kelly. They go on a tear and make it interesting, eventually missing the playoffs by a game or two

I have a dual prediction for my team...

My prediction, if Tanaka and Pineda make 60 starts is that the Yankees are the #1 wild card. If they do not, the Yankees do not make the playoffs

 

My formal prediction. As of right now, Pineda and Tanaka will be just shy of 60 games assuming good health the rest of the way

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One prediction I am pretty confident of, obviously assuming good health, is that Eovaldi will outperform Porcello again in FIP. Rothschild is a very good pitching coach who seems to find ways to bring the most out of his pitchers. Last year, he seemed to take on a bunch of reclamation projects and turn them around. I have a feeling he'll take a pretty solid pitcher with insane stuff and have him near his ceiling

 

Nailed that one to this point

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Nailed that one to this point
I have to give you credit on this one. I wouldn't have put money on it. As you know, I am losing an ERA bet on Porcello. I never deluded myself into thinking that the Tigers were stupid enough to give us a top of the rotation 26 year old pitcher for Cespedes, but I did think he would be a solid 4 possibly a 3. He has been horrible. If he gets his act together, I think he is a good back of the rotation pitcher, but no was is he a number 1 or 2 and no way is he worth his contract.
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UN? Pure luck, really? You love the geeks at Fangraphs, right? How can you justify pure luck? Eovaldi's FIP is right around his career numbers and the only reason he hasn't been otherworldly this season is his insanely ridiculous .350BABIP. His FIP of 3.51 is 0.14 below his career average and would constitute a career low for Porcello. He is head, shoulders, chest and half an abdomen above Porcello this season and you're just being a sore loser
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UN? Pure luck, really? You love the geeks at Fangraphs, right? How can you justify pure luck? Eovaldi's FIP is right around his career numbers and the only reason he hasn't been otherworldly this season is his insanely ridiculous .350BABIP. His FIP of 3.51 is 0.14 below his career average and would constitute a career low for Porcello. He is head, shoulders, chest and half an abdomen above Porcello this season and you're just being a sore loser

 

So, did you predict Porcello's downfall as a Red Sox then? And you seem to forget how much you've f***ing whined about Eovaldi all season long. Give it a rest.

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I didn't predict Porcello's downfall, but I was not in your camp, where he'd build on his aberrant 2014 season and take over the ace mantle. I have whined about Eovaldi, as basically he is a guy who is only good for 5 innings and then watch out. Girardi has figured this out and has actually adjusted well. Porcello has been a dumpster fire all year
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But that's the point. It's a matter of who has sucked less. Not an ideal strategy for bragging rights if you ask me.

 

If I predicted one to be better than the other, wouldn't that inherently mean that one sucked less?

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If I predicted one to be better than the other, wouldn't that inherently mean that one sucked less?

 

But they still both sucked. To be honest, I thought they'd both somewhat improve, because Larry R. is a miracle worker, but Detroit's D is just so goddamned bad.

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If I predicted one to be better than the other, wouldn't that inherently mean that one sucked less?

 

It means you are still like a pain in the ass little brother. Quit trolling. When a700 agrees with you, you know you are saying something wrong. But have fun!

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It means you are still like a pain in the ass little brother. Quit trolling. When a700 agrees with you, you know you are saying something wrong. But have fun!

 

Stay out of topics you don't understand

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It means you are still like a pain in the ass little brother. Quit trolling. When a700 agrees with you, you know you are saying something wrong. But have fun!
Thanks! Do you realize that I have been agreeing with you recently.
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Thanks! Do you realize that I have been agreeing with you recently.

 

 

But it's fun to give you crap from time to time!! :)

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