Is Farrel destroying Bogaerts?

[Dirt Schilling]

I get the feeling that all that shoving him around in defense and the batting line up is killing Xander Bogaerts now. First they brought back Drew and now he is way down in the batting line up. He is incredibly mature for his age but a player can take only take that much dissapointments. I feel that they are toying with him and it affects his game. What are your thoughts?

[redsoxrules]

LOL

Farrel is not destroying XB. It's not Farrel's fault that XB isn't that great on defense at SS and had to be moved at third. And if he gets affected by where he is in the batting lineup then he shouldn't be at the MLB level. He should hit wherever he is.

Edited July 1, 2014 by redsoxrules

[Palodios]

Ridiculous. Everyone knows that it is in fact Stephen Drew ruining Xander.

[BSN07]

Xander is a good athlete and it's not impossible to be good at multiple positions. Him moving around is not the end of the world. Go stir some other pot.

[mvp 78]

Forget Bogaerts for a moment. Farrell has ruined Mookie Betts! He's hitting a paltry .167. Shoulda never been brought up to MLB. Just throwing him in RF/CF/wherever the wind blows. This is madness and it has to stop! Worst manager since Butch Hobson! At leadt Butch had a drug addiction we could blame. This guy just gets jealous of all this hot new talent and wants to set it all on fire with his Stephen Drew fetish. Look bub, just because you were an MLB flameout doesn't mean you have to take it out on all the young guys in this organization. Pathetic.

[Spudboy]

lol

[Dirt Schilling]

Xander is a good athlete and it's not impossible to be good at multiple positions. Him moving around is not the end of the world. Go stir some other pot.

 

I am not stirring any pots. It just seems to me that Farrel has no clue anymore what to do and he is messing everything up by not protecting his prospects. I am sure Bogaerts will be the player that everybody says he will be but I hope it won't be in another MLB team.

[yankthis]

I'm kind of slow on the draw when it comes to blaming the manager for a team's non-performance, but I'll agree that he has made a lot of really f***ing stupid decisions, made stupider by continuing to do the same stupid s*** that already isn't working.

[jd98]

LOL

Farrel is not destroying XB. It's not Farrel's fault that XB isn't that great on defense at SS and had to be moved at third. And if he gets affected by where he is in the batting lineup then he shouldn't be at the MLB level. He should hit wherever he is.

 

Pedroia hits noticeably worse at leadoff, so you're saying Pedroia doesn't belong at MLB level? Farrell 'destroying Bogaerts' is an overreaction, but there's still some possible truth in what he was saying. XB's defense has been even worse at third, and his hitting has completely vanished. The obvious thing to do is move him back to SS, and see what happens.

 

Bogaerts at SS, 199 AB .296/.389/.427

Holt at 3B, 94 AB .319/.371/.436

 

Drew at SS, 63 AB .143/.169/.190

Bogaerts at 3B, 91 AB .143/.186/.264

 

I'm kind of slow on the draw when it comes to blaming the manager for a team's non-performance, but I'll agree that he has made a lot of really f***ing stupid decisions, made stupider by continuing to do the same stupid s*** that already isn't working.

 

what he said ^^

[gojohn99]

It's the life of a rookie, to be moved around

[Spitball]

Is Farrell ruining Brock Holt?

[Bellhorn04]

For starters, why the hell would you blame Farrell when the Red Sox FO signed Drew to play shortstop?

[win red sox]

Ridiculous. Everyone knows that it is in fact Stephen Drew ruining Xander.

 

this is awesome.

[a700hitter]

I'm kind of slow on the draw when it comes to blaming the manager for a team's non-performance, but I'll agree that he has made a lot of really f***ing stupid decisions, made stupider by continuing to do the same stupid s*** that already isn't working.

Heck, I'll criticize the manager when things are going well. That's what he is there for. Managers are hired to be fired as they say. In the meantime they get criticized. I don' t feel sorry for them as they are a bunch of half wits that get paid very handsomely to make out a lineup card. Ah duh this is hard, where should I bat Ortiz and his 19 homers? Should I bat the .125 hitter after him? Should I take my starter out after 7 runs? What inning does the closer come in? THis is hard. Edited July 2, 2014 by a700hitter

[seabeachfred]

For starters, why the hell would you blame Farrell when the Red Sox FO signed Drew to play shortstop?

 

Because we know Farrell wanted him, and wanted him from the beginning, and because he continues to play him even though he sucks through and through. Another Ofer tonight, hitting barely 125 and not the swiftest glove in the field either anymore. And though the vote is mixed on this I am thoroughly now convinced that Farrell's love for Drew has shattered the hell out of Bogaerts' confidence and spirit, and for those who say that he's a big boy and ought to handle it, my answer is baseball is a mental game and the mind can work to undermine a player's ability to perform properly. Any body who has played the game extensively, or coached the sport or scouted players knows that. Unless steps are taken to move Bogaerts back to shortstop and get Drew out of there we most likely could lose Bogaerts and his great potential talent. My opinion yes but you're seeing it for yourself--like tonight another 0 for 4, one RBI since May 21 and something like 5 for the last 70 or so at bats. You think this is a coincidence?

[redsoxrules]

Pedroia hits noticeably worse at leadoff, so you're saying Pedroia doesn't belong at MLB level? Farrell 'destroying Bogaerts' is an overreaction, but there's still some possible truth in what he was saying. XB's defense has been even worse at third, and his hitting has completely vanished. The obvious thing to do is move him back to SS, and see what happens.

 

Bogaerts at SS, 199 AB .296/.389/.427

Holt at 3B, 94 AB .319/.371/.436

 

Drew at SS, 63 AB .143/.169/.190

Bogaerts at 3B, 91 AB .143/.186/.264

 

 

 

what he said ^^

 

LOL seriously?

 

Talk about small sample size.

If Pedey was hitting leadoff every game for a full year his numbers would be the same as usual.

[a700hitter]

Hopefully Bogaerts will achieve stardom, but sometimes big time prospects turn out like Andy Marte.

[Station 13]

On june 1st Bogoaerts was around .300/.400/.425

 

He's in a slump, and he's also 21. It takes time. Ask Rizzo about his age 21 season. Rizzo is now a top 3 1B in baseball.

[a700hitter]

On june 1st Bogoaerts was around .300/.400/.425

 

He's in a slump, and he's also 21. It takes time. Ask Rizzo about his age 21 season. Rizzo is now a top 3 1B in baseball.

It will take time, but maybe expectations are just a bit high for the kid.

[Spudboy]

It will take time, but maybe expectations are just a bit high for the kid.

 

I think so.

 

The media and of course the Sox FO built this kid up to be the next big time star for the team. We all are guilty of believing that he would be a sure thing this season and his performance in the post season last year fueled this way of thinking.

 

Can't miss rookies are a rare breed.

 

Still, he is very young and he will have a lot of time to continue to develop.

 

Everyone should just be patient. Including X himself.

[jd98]

LOL seriously?

 

Talk about small sample size.

If Pedey was hitting leadoff every game for a full year his numbers would be the same as usual.

 

He's got 481 career AB's at leadoff and hits .264. He hits over .300 not at leadoff. And hasn't he even said he doesn't like hitting leadoff. Sorry, but Pedroia fits your description of someone affected by where they are in the lineup.

[VA Sox Fan]

Forget Bogaerts for a moment. Farrell has ruined Mookie Betts! He's hitting a paltry .167. Shoulda never been brought up to MLB. Just throwing him in RF/CF/wherever the wind blows. This is madness and it has to stop! Worst manager since Butch Hobson! At leadt Butch had a drug addiction we could blame. This guy just gets jealous of all this hot new talent and wants to set it all on fire with his Stephen Drew fetish. Look bub, just because you were an MLB flameout doesn't mean you have to take it out on all the young guys in this organization. Pathetic.

 

sbf is channeling thru some other posters these days. What a fk'n nightmare! LMAO!

[sk7326]

I am not stirring any pots. It just seems to me that Farrel has no clue anymore what to do and he is messing everything up by not protecting his prospects. I am sure Bogaerts will be the player that everybody says he will be but I hope it won't be in another MLB team.

 

He IS protecting his prospect - by continuing to play him. X will only learn how to deal with a slump by dealing with a slump. His season is completely in line with lots of pretty good 21 year old SS/3B sorts. I don't envy Farrell's job here - since there are games to win at the same time. But you keep playing him and count on him figuring things out.

[sk7326]

I think so.

 

The media and of course the Sox FO built this kid up to be the next big time star for the team. We all are guilty of believing that he would be a sure thing this season and his performance in the post season last year fueled this way of thinking.

 

Can't miss rookies are a rare breed.

 

Still, he is very young and he will have a lot of time to continue to develop.

 

Everyone should just be patient. Including X himself.

 

He has had a solid season - just working through things now. You are smart to exercise patience. His pattern has been to start slow but figure things out at each level. Just remember how young he is.

[seabeachfred]

He IS protecting his prospect - by continuing to play him. X will only learn how to deal with a slump by dealing with a slump. His season is completely in line with lots of pretty good 21 year old SS/3B sorts. I don't envy Farrell's job here - since there are games to win at the same time. But you keep playing him and count on him figuring things out.

 

I see sk.....just the way he is doing it with Drew, right? Farrell is conducting a Chinese Fire Drill practically every night, throwing darts at a wall to try and figure out who plays where that evening. It has become a sick joke and our team is going down in flames. Of course, almost without exception he finds a way to get his boy Drew in there every night. Can do without his 135 average and his over thirty-percent strikeout rate.

[redsoxrules]

He's got 481 career AB's at leadoff and hits .264. He hits over .300 not at leadoff. And hasn't he even said he doesn't like hitting leadoff. Sorry, but Pedroia fits your description of someone affected by where they are in the lineup.

 

FYI

 

Pedroia this year

 

765 OPS as a leadoff @ 127 AB

649 OPS batting second @ 112 AB

792 OPS batting Third @ 140 AB

 

Pedroia has close to 5000 PA. So yeah, 481 is a small reflection of that.

 

So you were saying.....

Edited July 3, 2014 by redsoxrules

[sk7326]

I see sk.....just the way he is doing it with Drew, right? Farrell is conducting a Chinese Fire Drill practically every night, throwing darts at a wall to try and figure out who plays where that evening. It has become a sick joke and our team is going down in flames. Of course, almost without exception he finds a way to get his boy Drew in there every night. Can do without his 135 average and his over thirty-percent strikeout rate.

 

The dumpster fires in the OF and at C have been much more problematic than SS. Bogaerts is struggling, but he was bound to hit a rough patch. He'll be fine unless he is not the prospect we think he is. Farrell's job is to find wins here - this isn't a rebuild. Good teams get production from the corner spots - the Sox being a whole hog disaster in 3 of the 4 corner positions (aside from a Holt BABIP flash) has been the story. Everything else is distraction.

[jd98]

FYI

 

Pedroia this year

 

765 OPS as a leadoff @ 127 AB

649 OPS batting second @ 112 AB

792 OPS batting Third @ 140 AB

 

Pedroia has close to 5000 PA. So yeah, 481 is a small reflection of that.

 

So you were saying.....

 

So you're trying to disprove my 'small sample size' of stats by using a much smaller sample size of stats. Nice. Whatever. This is a silly topic anyway. I won't comment any further on it. This thread is about XB, who I don't think was affected by his spot in the order, but I think he was affected by moving to 3B.

[reYoukilis]

So wheres the proof or theory that says that moving a player to another position affects his batting? Theres alot of feeling going around here disguised as fact.

[seabeachfred]

The dumpster fires in the OF and at C have been much more problematic than SS. Bogaerts is struggling, but he was bound to hit a rough patch. He'll be fine unless he is not the prospect we think he is. Farrell's job is to find wins here - this isn't a rebuild. Good teams get production from the corner spots - the Sox being a whole hog disaster in 3 of the 4 corner positions (aside from a Holt BABIP flash) has been the story. Everything else is distraction.

 

I've said Bogaerts slump may be more than that because 2 for 47 and 5 for 76 sound like a collapse to me. I'm told Middlebrooks will be ready (haven't we heard that one before) very soon. What do we do then? I'd really like to see Bogey put back at short, WMB take third, Holt in left and Betts in center. I think we might start winning some games and getting more offense with that ensemble, especially if the top guns come through. Sixteen hits and nine runs last night would have won us about 85% of our games this year but this time it was the pitching.

 

Nine games before the ASB sk---and to me if we are to make any move after that pratfall against the Cubs we need to go 6-3-----and 7-2 would be better.