2013 Yankee Hot Stove Thread

[mvp 78]

But but but he lost $50M!!!

[Palodios]

Stephen Drew to Yanks 4/50. CAlling it now.

[Navafan29]

What are the Yanks now? Are they even the Yankees? You need some established presence on a team for it to count as your team. Cano, Grandy, Arod, Pettite, and Rivera are now gone after a year that was already run by fill-ins. I guess they have a few vets left, but this isn't the most fun era for fans.

[marklmw]

Stephen Drew to Yanks 4/50. CAlling it now.

^Really?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Yankees signed Kelly Johnson. Maybe he is the 2nd base replacement?

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees signed Kelly Johnson. Maybe he is the 2nd base replacement?

 

Insurance maybe.

[User Name]

Yankees signed Kelly Johnson. Maybe he is the 2nd base replacement?

 

The Johnson deal was announced way before the M's/Cano drama.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The Johnson deal was announced way before the M's/Cano drama.

 

Oh. I had just saw it on MLBTraderumors near the top and thought it was from the past hour or so.

[User Name]

Oh. I had just saw it on MLBTraderumors near the top and thought it was from the past hour or so.

 

Yeah it's 'cause actual contract details hadn't been announced, but it was reported Monday iirc. Still funny as hell though LMAO

[Northern Star]

What are the Yanks now? Are they even the Yankees? You need some established presence on a team for it to count as your team. Cano, Grandy, Arod, Pettite, and Rivera are now gone after a year that was already run by fill-ins. I guess they have a few vets left, but this isn't the most fun era for fans.

 

Captain Intangibles to the rescue. Or maybe not...

[Palodios]

^Really?

 

The Yanks have very little value in their infield. No A-rod, no Cano, and Jeter might not be playing much SS. Who is going to play those positions? Nunez? Ryan? Johnson? Who else is available at 2B/SS/3B?

Edited December 7, 2013 by Palodios

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yanks have very little value in their infield. No A-rod, no Cano, and Jeter might not be playing much SS. Who is going to play those positions? Nunez? Ryan? Johnson? Who else is available at 2B/SS/3B?

 

I have a feeling we find a way to get Headley and extend him. We have some in house options for 2b namely David Adams and Corban Joseph, although both of them are more the AAAA variety.

[jacksonianmarch]

So, just to show how much things are improved, here is the line for the 2013 Yankees and what we received

 

2013 Yankees C- .213/.289/.298. That's right, we had a .587OPS from our catchers position. We had a collective WAR of 0.7. Adding McCann as is adds 2 wins right there. Going by projections, though, he should be a 4WAR player in 2014. That's a 3.3 WAR gain

 

Yankees 1B- .229/..292/.397- We had a sub .700OPS from our 1b's. Lyle Overbay played all but 20 games at 1b and he was the exact definition of a replacement player. He had a WAR of 0.0. Teixeira in his worst yr was a 2.7WAR player. Now healthy, he should at least be that. Let's just say this is a 3 WAR gain

 

Yankees 2b- .318/.385/.521- This is a titanic loss. He was a 6WAR player and the best second baseman in baseball. We replaced him with Kelly Johnson. Last yr vs this yr is a hard thing to compare since he spent the majority of his time in the OF. As a 2B, he is an average player for his career. Offensively, he is an above average player for the position. He is probably a 1.5WAR player as a 2b, maybe more. But lets say this is a net loss of 5 wins.

 

Yankees SS- .228/.286/.312- Yes, another position under .600OPS. Nunez was worth -1.4WAR. Brignac was -0.6. Jeter was -0.6. Ryan was -0.6. That's a -3.2 WAR from SS. Jeter is healthy and from all reports, having a normal offseason. I doube he ever gets back to the 6WAR player he once was, but even a 2WAR season sees a 5 win swing in production

 

Yankees 3b- .231/.293/.340- We had the second worst OPS of any team when it came to 3b. We lose ARod. Right now, Ryan is projected to start here, although, I will believe that when I see it. For now, we'll call this a wash. If Ryan starts here or is flipped to 2b, it probably means the same thing. Net gain 0 wins

 

Yankees LF- .236/.293/..399- We were 25th in baseball in OPS from the LF position. When you throw in Wells, Granderson, Almonte, and Soriano, our collective WAR was close to nothing. We move Gardner over here, and Gardy gets a big boost in defense. Believe it or not, Gardy was an average CFer last yr with a UZR/150 of -0.3. The last time Gardy was a LFer, he had a UZR/150 of 32, which is insane. I expect his value to rise from 4.2WAR to something closer to 5, especially in his walk yr. Net gain- 5 wins

 

Yankees CF- .280/.349/.442- We were strong in CF last yr. We add Ellsbury who is a near 6WAR player. Moving to YS, his offensive power will improve. This is a 2 win increase on Gardner

 

Yankees RF- .251/.296/.358- We were dead last in OPS from RF. Ichiro added defense and speed, though, to the tune of being a 1 win player. Beltran's defensive shortcomings can be covered by the YS short porch. If he staves off father time, he can be a 3 win player, but for the sake of argument, lets call him a 2 win player and a 1 win improvement.

 

Yankees DH- .189/.276/.307- That is not a typo. That is the worst OPS of any AL team by 30 points and that closest team was Houston. Alfonso Soriano will take that mantle. Hafner cost us 0.4 wins last yr. Soriano is still a plus offensive player, his defense is what drags his WAR with him. This is a conservative 2 win improvement.

 

Based on the numbers from 2013, mind you, we have a 16WAR gain offensively and that is a conservative measure and obviously barring injury. Regardless, this is a vastly improved offensive team compared to the one that took the field in 2013.

 

The mound portion isn't even close to done yet. We added Kuroda back, which was a good signing. But we lost Pettitte who was a 3 win player last yr. CC, Kuroda, Nova, and Phelps/Warren are the 1,2,3, and 5. We need another guy. I am hoping that is Tanaka. Should it be someone like Garza or Ramirez, so be it. We need one more. In the pen, we lose Mariano, which is a definite loss. He was a 1.5WAR player as a closer, which is pretty good. We have a pretty good nucleus of young arms in AAA and just need two additions here. A reliable LH specialist and a closer/setup type.

Edited December 7, 2013 by jacksonianmarch

[jacksonianmarch]

Looks like NY is in on Infante. Makes a whole lot of sense

[Palodios]

The Eagles still seem like they don't want to post Tanaka.

 

Garza and Santana aren't going to wait forever, but it seems like they are slowed down while figuring out the market for Tanaka and Price.

[pinstripezac]

The Eagles still seem like they don't want to post Tanaka.

 

not getting tanaka will hurt more than cano

 

Garza and Santana aren't going to wait forever, but it seems like they are slowed down while figuring out the market for Tanaka and Price

 

who do U like better

I'm thinking santana gets a slight edge

both have the same career WHIP 128

[User Name]

Santana's main problem is giving up homers in bunches, especially to lefties, and you wanna bring him to NYS? Lol plz do.

[marklmw]

So, just to show how much things are improved, here is the line for the 2013 Yankees and what we received

 

2013 Yankees C- .213/.289/.298. That's right, we had a .587OPS from our catchers position. We had a collective WAR of 0.7. Adding McCann as is adds 2 wins right there. Going by projections, though, he should be a 4WAR player in 2014. That's a 3.3 WAR gain

 

Yankees 1B- .229/..292/.397- We had a sub .700OPS from our 1b's. Lyle Overbay played all but 20 games at 1b and he was the exact definition of a replacement player. He had a WAR of 0.0. Teixeira in his worst yr was a 2.7WAR player. Now healthy, he should at least be that. Let's just say this is a 3 WAR gain

 

Yankees 2b- .318/.385/.521- This is a titanic loss. He was a 6WAR player and the best second baseman in baseball. We replaced him with Kelly Johnson. Last yr vs this yr is a hard thing to compare since he spent the majority of his time in the OF. As a 2B, he is an average player for his career. Offensively, he is an above average player for the position. He is probably a 1.5WAR player as a 2b, maybe more. But lets say this is a net loss of 5 wins.

 

Yankees SS- .228/.286/.312- Yes, another position under .600OPS. Nunez was worth -1.4WAR. Brignac was -0.6. Jeter was -0.6. Ryan was -0.6. That's a -3.2 WAR from SS. Jeter is healthy and from all reports, having a normal offseason. I doube he ever gets back to the 6WAR player he once was, but even a 2WAR season sees a 5 win swing in production

 

Yankees 3b- .231/.293/.340- We had the second worst OPS of any team when it came to 3b. We lose ARod. Right now, Ryan is projected to start here, although, I will believe that when I see it. For now, we'll call this a wash. If Ryan starts here or is flipped to 2b, it probably means the same thing. Net gain 0 wins

 

Yankees LF- .236/.293/..399- We were 25th in baseball in OPS from the LF position. When you throw in Wells, Granderson, Almonte, and Soriano, our collective WAR was close to nothing. We move Gardner over here, and Gardy gets a big boost in defense. Believe it or not, Gardy was an average CFer last yr with a UZR/150 of -0.3. The last time Gardy was a LFer, he had a UZR/150 of 32, which is insane. I expect his value to rise from 4.2WAR to something closer to 5, especially in his walk yr. Net gain- 5 wins

 

Yankees CF- .280/.349/.442- We were strong in CF last yr. We add Ellsbury who is a near 6WAR player. Moving to YS, his offensive power will improve. This is a 2 win increase on Gardner

 

Yankees RF- .251/.296/.358- We were dead last in OPS from RF. Ichiro added defense and speed, though, to the tune of being a 1 win player. Beltran's defensive shortcomings can be covered by the YS short porch. If he staves off father time, he can be a 3 win player, but for the sake of argument, lets call him a 2 win player and a 1 win improvement.

 

Yankees DH- .189/.276/.307- That is not a typo. That is the worst OPS of any AL team by 30 points and that closest team was Houston. Alfonso Soriano will take that mantle. Hafner cost us 0.4 wins last yr. Soriano is still a plus offensive player, his defense is what drags his WAR with him. This is a conservative 2 win improvement.

 

Based on the numbers from 2013, mind you, we have a 16WAR gain offensively and that is a conservative measure and obviously barring injury. Regardless, this is a vastly improved offensive team compared to the one that took the field in 2013.

 

The mound portion isn't even close to done yet. We added Kuroda back, which was a good signing. But we lost Pettitte who was a 3 win player last yr. CC, Kuroda, Nova, and Phelps/Warren are the 1,2,3, and 5. We need another guy. I am hoping that is Tanaka. Should it be someone like Garza or Ramirez, so be it. We need one more. In the pen, we lose Mariano, which is a definite loss. He was a 1.5WAR player as a closer, which is pretty good. We have a pretty good nucleus of young arms in AAA and just need two additions here. A reliable LH specialist and a closer/setup type.

 

Your all set then with a projection of 100+ wins next season. I guess the Sox will be playing for a wild card spot.

[Behindenemylines]

I think it's pretty obvious Cano doesn't want to go to Seattle and he was playing them all along. Keep the offer as is, don't budge and we'll get him.

 

Also, Yankees close to re-signing Kuroda

 

I hear Robbie enjoys the rain and will enjoy his $$$$$$$$ on the west coast. CAN YOU SAY BIG HIT TO THE $PANKEES! A lot of question marks in the infield for them. Tex coming off a season in which he was hurt, Cano - I'm sorry he plays in Seattle now so its an I don't know, Jeter coming off a season in which he was hurt, and I don't know at 3B.

[pinstripezac]

Santana's main problem is giving up homers in bunches, especially to lefties, and you wanna bring him to NYS? Lol plz do.

 

good point even if given rudely

 

real bad 1 year

 

but there's HR and there's HR

 

solo HR aren't so bad

 

last yr I would of pick garza but he didn't do much in texas at the end of the yr

Edited December 8, 2013 by pinstripezac

[User Name]

real bad 1 year

 

there's HR and there's HR

 

solo HR aren't so bad

 

last yr I would of pick garza but he didn't do much in texas at the end of the yr

 

What does this even mean? Even worse, what are you talking about? He's given up 25+ homers four years in a row while pitching in stadiums that suppress HR production. What happens when you take the guy to a stadium that greatly enhances it?

[pinstripezac]

Richard Griffin ‏@RGriffinStar

Source tells me AA wants to try and trade for SP, and possibly go for a FA SP

 

leaning on Garza with AL east experience

 

also thinks Santana may be out of reach due to contract term demands

 

thinks alot of teams will be on them due to uncertain outcome of Tanaka.

 

#Bluejays

 

looks like some people agree santana gets the edge over garza

[Hoplite]

The Yankees had no business winning 85 games last year, they were outscored by opponents and had a second order win-loss record of 71-91. In order to be competitive, they have to improve by almost 20 wins. So far, they’ve lost Cano (6.0 WAR), Pettitte (3.2 WAR), Rivera (1.5 WAR), Hughes (1.4 WAR) and Granderson (1.4 WAR) to free agency and retirement and added Ellsbury (5.8 WAR), Brian McCann (2.7 WAR) and Carlos Beltran (2 WAR) for a net gain of -3 WAR. The last time Jeter was healthy, he was worth 3 WAR, the last time Teixeira played 100 games he was worth 2.7 WAR. Now we’ve arrived at a net WAR of +2.7. Even if you subtract every negative contributor to their WAR last year (assuming they won’t be dragging the team down next year), that’s another 6.8 WAR. Nowhere close to 20 wins. It doesn't even add up to 80 wins.

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankees had no business winning 85 games last year, they were outscored by opponents and had a second order win-loss record of 71-91. In order to be competitive, they have to improve by almost 20 wins. So far, they’ve lost Cano (6.0 WAR), Pettitte (3.2 WAR), Rivera (1.5 WAR), Hughes (1.4 WAR) and Granderson (1.4 WAR) to free agency and retirement and added Ellsbury (5.8 WAR), Brian McCann (2.7 WAR) and Carlos Beltran (2 WAR) for a net gain of -3 WAR. The last time Jeter was healthy, he was worth 3 WAR, the last time Teixeira played 100 games he was worth 2.7 WAR. Now we’ve arrived at a net WAR of +2.7. Even if you subtract every negative contributor to their WAR last year (assuming they won’t be dragging the team down next year), that’s another 6.8 WAR. Nowhere close to 20 wins. It doesn't even add up to 80 wins.

 

Don't underestimate the pricks. Also, I think Girardi is actually a pretty good manager.

Edited December 8, 2013 by Bellhorn04

[mvp 78]

Don't underestimate the pricks. Also, I think Girardi is actually a pretty manager.

 

Sicko.

[a700hitter]

Don't underestimate the pricks. Also, I think Girardi is actually a pretty good manager.

He's missed the playoff in 2 of his 6 seasons with the skanks and the players despise him.

[Bellhorn04]

He's missed the playoff in 2 of his 6 seasons with the skanks and the players despise him.

 

The 2013 team would have missed the playoffs if they had the greatest managing job in the history of pro sports.

[a700hitter]

The 2013 team would have missed the playoffs if they had the greatest managing job in the history of pro sports.

20-20 hindsight.

[Bellhorn04]

20-20 hindsight.

 

Isn't that how we usually judge managers?

[a700hitter]

Isn't that how we usually judge managers?

Yes, and managers don't get excuses for not winning when they are expected to win. They just get fired. No one would have blamed Farrell if the 2013 Sox had 85 wins. His team was not expected to win, but if he pulled a Dale Sveum, he'd get one more year before he would get fired whether or not the team sucked. Girardi's team was expected to win. It didn't.