2014 Roster Projections

[marklmw]

Professional Athletes need a little luck on their side to stay healthy in almost any sport.

[Bellhorn04]

All the best to Kalish. He's only 25 - if his injury luck finally turns around he can still have a major league career.

[marklmw]

All the best to Kalish. He's only 25 - if his injury luck finally turns around he can still have a major league career.

Let's hope as much.

[rorschach]

rorschach, you need a small change in your sig line - it's 3 WS in 10 years not 9.

 

Thanks homey.

[SoxSport]

Joel Sherman of the NY Post telling it like it is with the Yankees this morning:

 

http://nypost.com/2013/12/13/yankees-can-still-spend-way-back-into-contention/

 

I post this because anything the Yankees do has relevance to the Red Sox, and Sherman, unlike the other pundits at MLB TV, is willing to say the Yankees f....ked up signing Ellsbury instead of Cano. In fact, I suspect Ben & Company are secretly delighted their adversaries have spent their way into a real predicament--they are out $300 million, and have filled but one need (McCann) and created another (Cano).

 

Maybe they can sucker them into signing Drew for 3 years.

[EXman369]

Joel Sherman of the NY Post telling it like it is with the Yankees this morning:

 

http://nypost.com/2013/12/13/yankees-can-still-spend-way-back-into-contention/

 

I post this because anything the Yankees do has relevance to the Red Sox, and Sherman, unlike the other pundits at MLB TV, is willing to say the Yankees f....ked up signing Ellsbury instead of Cano. In fact, I suspect Ben & Company are secretly delighted their adversaries have spent their way into a real predicament--they are out $300 million, and have filled but one need (McCann) and created another (Cano).

 

Maybe they can sucker them into signing Drew for 3 years.

 

That would kind of suck because how would the draft picks work? We get their first for ells, braves get the 2nd for Mccann, and we would have to wait all the way until the third for compensation for drew!?

[mvp 78]

That would kind of suck because how would the draft picks work? We get their first for ells, braves get the 2nd for Mccann, and we would have to wait all the way until the third for compensation for drew!?

 

I believe the Yanks would lose their picks, but everyone gets picks for their players lost in the compensation round between the 1st and 2nd. The Sox don't take over the Yanks draft slots, they are just swept under the rug and teams pick in the compensation round. That's my understanding of it.

[marklmw]

I believe the Yanks would lose their picks, but everyone gets picks for their players lost in the compensation round between the 1st and 2nd. The Sox don't take over the Yanks draft slots, they are just swept under the rug and teams pick in the compensation round. That's my understanding of it.

If true that works out well for the Sox. Please NYY sign Drew today before the Sox re-sign him.

[SoxSport]

That would kind of suck because how would the draft picks work? We get their first for ells, braves get the 2nd for Mccann, and we would have to wait all the way until the third for compensation for drew!?

 

That's why the Yankees are unconcerned about draft picks. Teams should lose their no.1s in successive years instead of lower picks in the same year. Once again, a setup for NY and LA big budget teams to sign unlimited FAs.

[mvp 78]

"To receive compensation, the former team must tender a Qualifying Offer, the player must decline (or not accept) the offer, and the player must sign a major league contract with another major league team before the next year amateur draft. Compensation will be a supplemental round draft pick in the next draft. The supplemental round will be in reverse order of winning percentage from the recently completed season. Teams with multiple picks in the supplemental round will get those picks slotted consecutively. If two teams have the same winning percentage, the preceding seasons winning percentage is the tiebreaker."

[marklmw]

That's why the Yankees are unconcerned about draft picks. Teams should lose their no.1s in successive years instead of lower picks in the same year. Once again, a setup for NY and LA big budget teams to sign unlimited FAs.

The MLB Players Association would not agree to that change ... they do not approve of anything that hinders the escalation of player salaries

[mvp 78]

The MLB Players Association would not agree to that change ... they do not approve of anything that hinders the escalation of player salaries

 

Nor should they.

[seabeachfred]

Joel Sherman of the NY Post telling it like it is with the Yankees this morning:

 

http://nypost.com/2013/12/13/yankees-can-still-spend-way-back-into-contention/

 

I post this because anything the Yankees do has relevance to the Red Sox, and Sherman, unlike the other pundits at MLB TV, is willing to say the Yankees f....ked up signing Ellsbury instead of Cano. In fact, I suspect Ben & Company are secretly delighted their adversaries have spent their way into a real predicament--they are out $300 million, and have filled but one need (McCann) and created another (Cano).

 

Maybe they can sucker them into signing Drew for 3 years.

 

The Yankees say they have absolutely NO interest in Stephen Drew, and you know what that means. Two things. One, they're full of s***, and, two, they will most likely sign him. Never believe anything those *******s say; they are as phony as a three dollar bill.

[marklmw]

The Yankees say they have absolutely NO interest in Stephen Drew, and you know what that means. Two things. One, they're full of s***, and, two, they will most likely sign him. Never believe anything those *******s say; they are as phony as a three dollar bill.

Fred, are you upset that the NYY's are not telling you the truth. I do not even want Ben to speak the truth ... these are high stake card games and nobody is going to tell anybody what they have in their hand.

[marklmw]

Correct me if I am wrong:

 

1. There is one round of compensation picks between the 1st and 2nd round of the draft?

2. So far based on the signing of FA's who rejected the teams QO we have the following senario:

The Yankees signed Ellsbury and McCann and Beltran... meaning that the Yankees forfeit their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pics in 2014 draft. In the Compensation Round ... Atlanta (worse record than Boston) would pick ahead of Boston. St. Louis (worse record than Boston but better record than Atlanta) would also pick ahead of Boston. The Mets signed Granderson and the Mets had the 7th worse record so the Mets would forfeit their 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft. The Yankees would pick ahead of Atlanta, St. Louis and Boston based on their record. Seattle signs Cano and forfeits pick in 2nd round of 2014 draft.

 

Order of First Round Picks (only showing order of teams in my example)

Seattle

Mets

Yankees - Forfeit (Ellsbury)

Atlanta

St. Louis

Boston

 

Order of Compensation Picks (only showing order of teams in my example)

NYY - Cano

NYY - Granderson

Atlanta - McCann

St. Louis - Beltran

Boston - Ellsbury

 

Order of 2nd Round Picks (only showing order of teams in my example)

Seattle - Forfeit (Cano)

Mets - Forfeit (Granderson)

Yankees - Forfeit (McCann)

Atlanta

St. Louis

Boston

 

Should NYY sign Drew then Boston would get back to back picks in the Comp round and NYY would loose their 4th round pick. Drew for a 4th Round pick makes sense for them. If the Mets sign Drew they will forfeit their 3rd round pick.

[win red sox]

I think that the MFY's

 

1st round pick is loss for Mccann

comp pick(Cano) is loss for Ellsbury

comp pick(Granderson) is loss for Beltran

 

They keep there 2nd round pick as of now

[marklmw]

I think that the MFY's

 

1st round pick is loss for Mccann

comp pick(Cano) is loss for Ellsbury

comp pick(Granderson) is loss for Beltran

 

They keep there 2nd round pick as of now

Are you certain about this? It does make good sense.

[win red sox]

Are you certain about this? It does make good sense.

 

pretty sure.

[Palodios]

I just looked it up, and sure enough, they lose their compensation draft picks. What a painful way to ruin your team's future.

[marklmw]

pretty sure.

so basically MLB awards the comp picks to teams who had FA's with QO's but signed with a different team and then MLB take picks away from you based on the number of FA's with QO's that your team signed. The take aways begin in Round 1 unless your team had one of the 10 worse records in baseball the prior season ... if so they begin taking in the Comp round and not round 2.

[win red sox]

so basically MLB awards the comp picks to teams who had FA's with QO's but signed with a different team and then MLB take picks away from you based on the number of FA's with QO's that your team signed. The take aways begin in Round 1 unless your team had one of the 10 worse records in baseball the prior season ... if so they begin taking in the Comp round and not round 2.

 

yes sir. With a extremely deep draft it's possible the Sox would have practically 3 late 1st round draft picks.

[SoxSport]

The Yankees say they have absolutely NO interest in Stephen Drew, and you know what that means. Two things. One, they're full of s***, and, two, they will most likely sign him. Never believe anything those *******s say; they are as phony as a three dollar bill.

 

Haha.

 

I can't believe Cashman was behind signing Ells over Cano. He's too smart. It was Starbrenner and Randy Levine above him. They let their best player go because they thought he couldn't DH at 40? And they signed Ells because he would still be stealing 50 bases and playing CF at 37?

 

When was the last time any team outbid the Yankees for a FA --and their own home bred--no less? A monumental event--completely overlooked by the Yankee-fawning media.

 

Seems like the higher ups were more intent in getting back at the Red Sox for their success than using common sense. Hopefully, they'll do the same with Drew.

[marklmw]

yes sir. With a extremely deep draft it's possible the Sox would have practically 3 late 1st round draft picks.

 

Awesome ... the Red Sox have good scouts with very good eye for talent.

[marklmw]

Haha.

 

I can't believe Cashman was behind signing Ells over Cano. He's too smart. It was Starbrenner and Randy Levine above him. They let their best player go because they thought he couldn't DH at 40? And they signed Ells because he would still be stealing 50 bases and playing CF at 37?

 

When was the last time any team outbid the Yankees for a FA --and their own home bred--no less? A monumental event--completely overlooked by the Yankee-fawning media.

 

Seems like the higher ups were more intent to getting back at the Red Sox than using common sense. Hopefully, they'll do the same with Drew.

I said that I would not believe Cano signing with Seattle until the ink dried and someone through a glass of cold water in my face ... I'm still waiting for the later.

[marklmw]

Amended:

The Yankees signed Ellsbury and McCann and Beltran... meaning that the Yankees forfeit their 1st, 2nd and 3rd pics in 2014 draft. In the Compensation Round ... Atlanta (worse record than Boston) would pick ahead of Boston. St. Louis (worse record than Boston but better record than Atlanta) would also pick ahead of Boston. The Mets signed Granderson and the Mets had the 7th worse record so the Mets would forfeit their 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft. The Yankees would pick ahead of Atlanta, St. Louis and Boston based on their record. Seattle signs Cano and forfeits 2nd round pic in the 2014 draft.

 

Order of First Round Picks (only showing order of teams in my example)

Seattle

Mets

Yankees - Forfeit (Ellsbury)

Atlanta

St. Louis

Boston

 

Order of Compensation Picks (only showing order of teams in my example)

NYY - Cano - Forfeit (McCann)

NYY - Granderson - Forfeit (Beltran)

Atlanta - McCann

St. Louis - Beltran

Boston - Ellsbury

Boston - (Should another team sign Drew)

 

Order of 2nd Round Picks (only showing order of teams in my example)

Seattle - Forfeit (Cano)

Mets - Forfeit (Granderson)

Yankees -(Forfeit should they Sign Drew)

Atlanta

St. Louis

Boston

 

Should NYY sign Drew then Boston would get back to back picks in the Comp round and NYY would loose their 4th pick. Drew for a 4th pick makes sense for them. If the Mets sign Drew they will forfeit their 3rd round pick.

Edited December 13, 2013 by marklmw

[User Name]

Haha.

 

I can't believe Cashman was behind signing Ells over Cano. He's too smart. It was Starbrenner and Randy Levine above him. They let their best player go because they thought he couldn't DH at 40? And they signed Ells because he would still be stealing 50 bases and playing CF at 37?

 

When was the last time any team outbid the Yankees for a FA --and their own home bred--no less? A monumental event--completely overlooked by the Yankee-fawning media.

Seems like the higher ups were more intent in getting back at the Red Sox for their success than using common sense. Hopefully, they'll do the same with Drew.

 

This is such a massive fallacy. The media backlash over letting Cano go in favor of Ellsbury has been enormous, and they won't shut up about it. Even some ardent Yankee homers in the media admit that Cano is the better player, and that the NYY should have made a better offer before the Mariners got so involved. Take off the media-hating blinders and stick to the facts.

[marklmw]

If Yankees sign Drew the Sox will have the 29th, 32nd, 33rd, 60th, 90th overall picks. The Yankees first pic will be in the 3rd round about 77th overall. 2013 will now be known as the Curse of the Ellsbury Edited December 13, 2013 by marklmw

[seabeachfred]

Fred, are you upset that the NYY's are not telling you the truth. I do not even want Ben to speak the truth ... these are high stake card games and nobody is going to tell anybody what they have in their hand.

 

Mark--with the Yanks it seems to always be the same song with them. They feign non-interest and say so verbally and in writing and t hen what happens They come in and steal Johnny Damon right under our eyes, claim they will not be blackmailed with A-Rod worming his way out of a contract, then brown out and extend him a choking multi-year contract. No interest in Teixiera.....until at the very end when they sneak in and grab in. They even hinted that Ellsbury wasn't on their radar and then BOOM!!!!! It strikes me as strange some Red Sox fans believe the crap the Yankees dispense. Now they say they have no interest in Drew, and this is one time I hope they are bullshitting us.

[sk7326]

I will agree with UN here. I defended their valuation and signing of Ellsbury. But that also was dependent on other moves, including figuring out 2B. Ellsbury for Cano is a net negative, even if Ellsbury could be particularly effective with 81 games of his fly balls finding the bleachers. Cano is one of the top half dozen position players in the league, full stop - so letting him go is basically letting 6 wins walk out the door without a backup plan. McCann is an upgrade and Beltran is less of one. And assuming they re-sign Kuroda and get Tanaka, the rotation is a little better. But this was not a 2009 goldmine offseason for the Yankees AT ALL. I'd say the Yankees offseason might be roughly 3 or 4 wins overall of impact - maybe. They spent an awful lot of money to just go into the Baltimore-Texas-Tampa soup. When they went shopping in 2009, it got them a wire-to-wire sort of dominance like the 2013 Red Sox had. BIG difference.

[seabeachfred]

I just looked it up, and sure enough, they lose their compensation draft picks. What a painful way to ruin your team's future.

 

Come on Pal, you know as well as the rest of us around here that the Yankees could give two turd balls for the future.....they are in the here and now and if it means more raids on FA next year, so be it. If I was a high school graduate or college player who are eligible for the draft I would never sign with the Yankees if I had that choice. They will drown in the farm system until with God's grace they will get drafted out of the yankee organization through the Rule 5 Law.