2014 Roster Projections

[User Name]

Again, taking out of context my post. I never said that going on cheap is/means money ball hahaha.

 

Dude, you literally just said that you don't know why some want the team to play "moneyball" at every position. That's exactly what you're implying given the context presented of "that's why rich teams win". I'm not taking it out of context, it's that your context doesn't make any sense.

 

Enlighten me then, what did you mean by "playing moneyball at every position".

[seabeachfred]

But in general closer is the only player that can potentially be in the position of ending the game or blowing the game 3-4 times in one playoff series.

 

You have to admit it's a unique position, if nothing else.

 

For the first time in decades the Red Sox had the best closer in baseball and in the end HE WAS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!! Anytime anyone upstages Mariano Rivera it's a very unique experience and yet this season Koji did it.

[User Name]

Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald tweets that the Red Sox consider Dioner Navarro to be a fallback option if the free agent market doesn't break their way, but not a primary target.

 

This makes sense, but please don't bring back Salty.

[seabeachfred]

Nahhh I wasn't caught at nothing. You just love to bring horseshit to the table, that is certainly pathetic.

 

That's so typical of him iortiz. Some of us have gone round and round with him because he thinks he dispenses all wisdom and I'll bet he probably never played the f***ing game in his life. Our friend 700 has had tussles with him, so has Sox Sport and others. He finds what I write irritating but he isn't smart enough just to ignore it and save himself the "pain". I think he just looks to stir up s***. As you said earlier it's best not to engage him but sometimes you just have to react.

 

He thinks Beltran shouldn't be signed with the Red Sox. We've all read those missives. Well I'll bet dollars to donuts that if we do sign him he'll be the first to agree it was a good signing.....and if he does he ought to hear it from all of us.

[iortiz]

Dude, you literally just said that you don't know why some want the team to play "moneyball" at every position. That's exactly what you're implying given the context presented of "that's why rich teams win". I'm not taking it out of context, it's that your context doesn't make any sense.

 

Enlighten me then, what did you mean by "playing moneyball at every position".

 

You love to discuss just for the sake of discuss, I won't go in circles with you on this.

 

Not sure why is my opinion so important to you if you will disagree anyway hahha.

[User Name]

That's so typical of him iortiz. Some of us have gone round and round with him because he thinks he dispenses all wisdom and I'll bet he probably never played the f***ing game in his life. Our friend 700 has had tussles with him, so has Sox Sport and others. He finds what I write irritating but he isn't smart enough just to ignore it and save himself the "pain". I think he just looks to stir up s***. As you said earlier it's best not to engage him but sometimes you just have to react.

 

He thinks Beltran shouldn't be signed with the Red Sox. We've all read those missives. Well I'll bet dollars to donuts that if we do sign him he'll be the first to agree it was a good signing.....and if he does he ought to hear it from all of us.

 

Fred, i feel honored to receive these words from an upstanding member of this community such as yourself. Thank you. But don't put words in my mouth, that kind of pisses me off.

[User Name]

You love to discuss just for the sake of discuss, I won't go in circles with you on this.

 

Not sure why is my opinion so important to you if you will disagree anyway hahha.

 

So you mean this is another instance where you were saying something that didn't make sense, so now i'm either "taking out of context" or "arguing for the sake of arguing". Riiight.

[seabeachfred]

Lester pitched gems and Ortiz hit like he wasn't human but IMO Koji was the masterpiece that we needed to win last Championship.

 

iortiz---if we didn't have Koji closing for us we not only wouldn't have won the World Series this year, but we wouldn't have won the American League title either. In fact, we might not have even won the AL East. In fact we would have carried on our winless streak of winning zilch for six seasons in a row. He was the difference.

[seabeachfred]

The 1984 Tigers?

 

Can't remember the guy's name right now but it wasn't the 1984 Tigers. They not only had a great closer, I think he got either the Cy Young Award or the AL MVP. Someone give me a name there. I know he had a Hispanic name.

[User Name]

Willie Hernandez

[iortiz]

That's so typical of him iortiz. Some of us have gone round and round with him because he thinks he dispenses all wisdom and I'll bet he probably never played the f***ing game in his life. Our friend 700 has had tussles with him, so has Sox Sport and others. He finds what I write irritating but he isn't smart enough just to ignore it and save himself the "pain". I think he just looks to stir up s***. As you said earlier it's best not to engage him but sometimes you just have to react.

 

He thinks Beltran shouldn't be signed with the Red Sox. We've all read those missives. Well I'll bet dollars to donuts that if we do sign him he'll be the first to agree it was a good signing.....and if he does he ought to hear it from all of us.

 

He just wanted to start another no sense discussion LOL. Not sure but I guess he thinks that my posts go against him which are not. Anyway he should take a pill and chill, maybe it could help.

[User Name]

He just wanted to start another no sense discussion LOL. Not sure but I guess he thinks that my posts go against him which are not. Anyway he should take a pill and chill, maybe it could help.

 

I don't need a chill pill. You just need to start making some sense and thinking before you post. LOL

[User Name]

Also, on the closers note, Braden Looper gave up 4 ER in 3.2 IP as the Marlins' closer during the 2003 World Series. Does he count?

[seabeachfred]

Fred, i feel honored to receive these words from an upstanding member of this community such as yourself. Thank you. But don't put words in my mouth, that kind of pisses me off.

 

Well then you have some idea about how others feel reading some of the nasty s*** you dispense. Turnabout is supposed to be fair play. At least now we all know you wouldn't dare to praise our signing of Beltran is such a thing happens.

[iortiz]

iortiz---if we didn't have Koji closing for us we not only wouldn't have won the World Series this year, but we wouldn't have won the American League title either. In fact, we might not have even won the AL East. In fact we would have carried on our winless streak of winning zilch for six seasons in a row. He was the difference.

 

Hopefully he keeps this level . I'm just a little worried about his arm, he is not a kid anymore.

[seabeachfred]

Willie Hernandez

 

For a change---THANKS!!!!

[User Name]

Well then you have some idea about how others feel reading some of the nasty s*** you dispense. Turnabout is supposed to be fair play. At least now we all know you wouldn't dare to praise our signing of Beltran is such a thing happens.

 

Fred, you are, in your infinite wisdom, also the living embodiment of irony.

 

My problem with your above assessment is that i have said Beltran doesn't make sense as an OF. I would like to see him tried out as a 1B, but only if Napoli and Hart sign elsewhere. If they sign Napoli and then Beltran to play LF, i will be rightly pissed, just like i was on the Dempster and Victorino signings (how wrong i was) and you conveniently forget.

[iortiz]

I don't need a chill pill. You just need to start making some sense and thinking before you post. LOL

 

It's no my problem that you have reading comprehension problems. As you say, please stop.

[User Name]

It's no my problem that you have reading comprehension problems. As you say, please stop.

 

My reading comprehension is just fine. Your writing, on the other hand, could use some work. Also, can you at least have the common courtesy to come up with your own catchphrase?

[iortiz]

Well then you have some idea about how others feel reading some of the nasty s*** you dispense. Turnabout is supposed to be fair play. At least now we all know you wouldn't dare to praise our signing of Beltran is such a thing happens.

 

If they sign Napoli and Beltran it's ok for me. Beltran could share some load with our OFs. Not sure how much money/Ys would it take to bring Beltran, but I'd rather use that in McCann.

[sk7326]

Willie Hernandez

 

A closer who pitched 140 innings that season!!!

[sk7326]

I would normally go along with what you said Ski but I'm going by what Victorino, Gomes, Napoli and Ross said the beginning of Spring Training last March. To a man they all believed they had the makings of a solid team and believed they not only could win but would. Moreover, Shane said the players came together almost immediately. Perhaps things don't happen this way very often but we all have to admit this Red Sox team was very unusual in this regard. It was a very special team. You don't go from the bowels of the outhouse to the ceiling of the penthouse very often at all and yet this Red Sox team did it. Maybe we should just look at this team as something very unique. I know of no other team that ever dominated baseball as this year's Red Sox team did after a year when they looked like cow s*** and were as dysfunctional and toxic a team imaginable.

 

There has never been a player in the history of spring training quotes who wasn't in the best shape of his life or who did not think the team had something special inside of them.

[User Name]

There has never been a player in the history of spring training quotes who wasn't in the best shape of his life or who did not think the team had something special inside of them.

 

You know what you're talking about my good friend. You know what you're talking about.

[sk7326]

For the first time in decades the Red Sox had the best closer in baseball and in the end HE WAS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!! Anytime anyone upstages Mariano Rivera it's a very unique experience and yet this season Koji did it.

 

Papelbon probably was ... in 2007.

[User Name]

He was also the best closer in baseball in 2006, and look where that got the Sox.....

[Bellhorn04]

I think my obsession with closers is because of the history of the Red Sox. So many of those epic defeats of the Sox, we blew the lead late in the game. 1975 Game 7, 1978 playoff game, 1986 Game 6, 2003 Game 7.

[jung]

There has never been a player in the history of spring training quotes who wasn't in the best shape of his life or who did not think the team had something special inside of them.

 

Most time worn phrase used to describe any team in any sport:

 

"there is just something special about this bunch a' guys"

[SoxSport]

Hey, isn't this the best off-season in years for Red Sox fans? Yeah! Enjoy it.

[SoxSport]

For the first time in decades the Red Sox had the best closer in baseball and in the end HE WAS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!! Anytime anyone upstages Mariano Rivera it's a very unique experience and yet this season Koji did it.

 

Koji kept coming in to those one run games down the stretch and mowing them down like a machine. Amazing performance right thru to the World Series.

[Dojji]

He was also the best closer in baseball in 2006, and look where that got the Sox.....

 

farther than their brutally devastated rotation should have allowed?

 

Anyone who was paying attention in 2006 knew what the problem was. Anyone looking back at the stats at baseball reference for the 2006 Sox knows what the problem was. With the bloody murder of injuries, underperformance, and Jon Lester's lymphoma, it's a miracle that roster won 85 games even with Ortiz doing his thing all year.

 

There's a reason we took a chance on Matsuzaka the following offseason. Heck that was the year that made moving Julian Tavarez to the Rotation look like a good idea. (in fairness, the move wasn't a complete disaster, Tavarez did a half decent job of eating innings until the workload he wasn't conditioned for caught up with him, and by then Lester was back)

 

I look back on that year and can't help but think how far we've come.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Dojji