Should we resign Jacoby Ellsbury?

[marklmw]

Boras is doing his job - he's the best agent around for a reason. The Red Sox are in a very easy position here. Make the QO, see what happens. Even if there is no amazing extension, they either have a sandwich pick or Ellsbury back for another season. And Bradley is a quality Plan B. I doubt the decision keeps Cherington up at night. I think there is a non-zero chance he will come back to Boston with an extension, but there is a lot of money chasing very few players. The CBA has taken a lot of the spending alternatives away from mid-level teams. There are large piles of money for teams and chasing veterans as the only real way to spend them. All it takes is a team to swoop in and offer Ellsbury 6 years or more and suddenly it is easier to shake his hand and wish him luck.

 

The order of who I would like to re-sign.

1. Ellsbury - if we do not re-sign him we save boat load of money and have JBJ to step in. Also a Comp. Pick

2. Drew - If we do not re-sign him we have Bogaerts at SS and Middlebrooks at 3rd and save money. Also a Comp. Pick

3. Napoli - If we do not re-sign him we have Justin Morneau or Billy Butler as options. And a Comp. Pick

4. Salty - If we do not re-sign him we have Lavarnway and save money. And a Comp. Pick

[User Name]

At the end of the day Boras is posturing on behalf of his client. I said 5-6. Let's use 6. Of course Boras would like 7-8 but that is not going to happen, not from any club. Boras brings up Crawford because he helps his case. Every GM in MLB knows that Crawford was over-paid. Jacoby had shoulder surgery 2 years ago ... A friend of mine is an Orthopedic Surgeon and he says that it takes at least 2 years to fully recover. He is going to hit 20 HR's

 

You don't know this. Can't prove this. Your "orthopedic doctor" friend's opinion doesn't matter. Please stop pretending that you do. Ellsbury was not a power hitter prior to the surgery. He pulled a Brady Anderson. He's not a power hitter.

[rjortiz]

The order of who I would like to re-sign.

1. Ellsbury - if we do not re-sign him we save boat load of money and have JBJ to step in. Also a Comp. Pick

2. Drew - If we do not re-sign him we have Bogaerts at SS and Middlebrooks at 3rd and save money. Also a Comp. Pick

3. Napoli - If we do not re-sign him we have Justin Morneau or Billy Butler as options. And a Comp. Pick

4. Salty - If we do not re-sign him we have Lavarnway and save money. And a Comp. Pick

 

I don't see Drew, Napoli, or Salty getting qualifying offers. Maybe Salty a month ago, but getting benched in the World Series had to be a huge blow to his value.

[rjortiz]

He is going to hit 20 HR's

 

Where was his power before 2011?

[marklmw]

You don't know this. Can't prove this. Your "orthopedic doctor" friend's opinion doesn't matter. Please stop pretending that you do. Ellsbury was not a power hitter prior to the surgery. He pulled a Brady Anderson. He's not a power hitter.

I am willing to go with my friends opinion ... he is tops in his field. and I am willing to bet a steak dinner that Ellsbury will hit 20+ HR's next year. (Playing a minimum of 150 games) and he may do it playing less than 150 games.

[marklmw]

Where was his power before 2011?

 

When a player learns how to hit for power and produces 30 HR's in 2011 I believe that he can hit 20 with a fully recovered shoulder and a healed hand 3 years later. I would imagine that Ellsbury is stronger now at age 30 then when he was age 25.

[marklmw]

I don't see Drew, Napoli, or Salty getting qualifying offers. Maybe Salty a month ago, but getting benched in the World Series had to be a huge blow to his value.

 

Depends to who you listen to. Some say that all 4 will get QO's and some baseball exec's say 2 or 3 of 4.

[rjortiz]

When a player learns how to hit for power and produces 30 HR's in 2011 I believe that he can hit 20 with a fully recovered shoulder and a healed hand 3 years later. I would imagine that Ellsbury is stronger now at age 30 then when he was age 25.

 

Any previous examples come to mind?

[redsoxrules]

The only way Ellsbury hits 20 HR next year would be playing in NY with the short porch

[rjortiz]

Depends to who you listen to. Some say that all 4 will get QO's and some baseball exec's say 2 or 3 of 4.

 

Why do you think Salty, Drew, and Napoli should get qualifying offers?

[rjortiz]

The only way Ellsbury hits 20 HR next year would be playing in NY with the short porch

 

The only way Ellsbury hits 20 HR's next year is if MLB expands a franchise to the Moon.

[mvp 78]

The only way Ellsbury hits 20 HR's next year is if MLB expands a franchise to the Moon.

 

Never gonna happen. The Giants will still complain it's too close to put the A's.

[marklmw]

Never gonna happen. The Giants will still complain it's too close to put the A's.

 

Very funny MVP

[marklmw]

I am placing a wager for anyone who wants it. Ellsbury will hit 20 HR's next season playing a minimum of 150 games. If he hits 20 playing less than 150 games all the better.

[marklmw]

Why do you think Salty, Drew, and Napoli should get qualifying offers?

 

Nap's ... yes if the Sox do not mind paying him 14M next season guaranteed.

Ells ... of course.

Salty ... some think that he has value ... I am not so sure. Do we really want to pay him 14M next season ... we pay him 4.5M now. so probably not

Drew ... I think a team will take a flyer on him ... so yeah if the right team with one of the 10 worse records only has to give up and 2nd round pick I can see him going. If Drew Accepts the offer that would not be the worse thing. Gives Boston the following options. Start Bogaerts in Pawtucket for 30 days to extend a year of club control, try to extend Drew and deal Middlebrooks.

[marklmw]

Any previous examples come to mind?

 

sorry ... no. I just have a lot of faith that Ellsbury will get back into 2011 form and something close to that. Again, who would not want the guy on their team ... it is all about the money with the fans but should the fans be so concerned about the money. The Yankees are going to spend, the Dodgers are spending. We are talking one player here who just turned 30 and has been a major part of our WS Titles in 2007 and 2013. Think of him as a good luck charm.

[RedSoxNC84]

sorry ... no. I just have a lot of faith that Ellsbury will get back into 2011 form and something close to that. Again, who would not want the guy on their team ... it is all about the money with the fans but should the fans be so concerned about the money. The Yankees are going to spend, the Dodgers are spending. We are talking one player here who just turned 30 and has been a major part of our WS Titles in 2007 and 2013. Think of him as a good luck charm.

 

There's another guy who just turned 30 and has been a major part of our WS titles in 2007 and 2013. His name is Dustin Pedroia

[sk7326]

There's another guy who just turned 30 and has been a major part of our WS titles in 2007 and 2013. His name is Dustin Pedroia

 

Indeed - and he is making 2/3 of the likely contract and has had a far better track record of actually being able to play at a 5 win level ...

[marklmw]

Indeed - and he is making 2/3 of the likely contract and has had a far better track record of actually being able to play at a 5 win level ...

 

I love Pedoria but you are comparing apples to oranges.

[mvp 78]

I love Pedoria but you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

True. Pedroia is a team leader who plays excellent defense and plays through injury.

 

Ells shouldn't be paid more than he is.

[marklmw]

True. Pedroia is a team leader who plays excellent defense and plays through injury.

 

Ells shouldn't be paid more than he is.

 

There you go again MVP about the money. The free market sets a players value. The Sox do not have any long-term contracts beside Pedroia. Try not to worry yourself so much about the money let BC take care of that.

[sk7326]

There you go again MVP about the money. The free market sets a players value. The Sox do not have any long-term contracts beside Pedroia. Try not to worry yourself so much about the money let BC take care of that.

 

There is also future durability and what not ... Pedroia will stay on 2nd much longer than Ellsbury can be expected to hold down CF at a very high level. I am not discounting that Ells could still be a good base stealer and evolve into a future roving leadoff hitter as he shifts to more of a LF sort for hire like Kenny Lofton's later years, but I wouldn't pay 20 million per for em.

[Bellhorn04]

There you go again MVP about the money. The free market sets a players value.

 

No, it just enables an auction which has frequently led to disastrously inflated contracts. Crawford, Werth, Pujols, Fielder, BJ Upton.

[Thunder]

I'm torn on this issue. We have an excess amount of outfielders. I can understand letting Ells walk, but he had one of his best regular seasons this year, excluding his 30 HR season a few years back. He's valuable to this team. He can get himself into scoring position in key moments of the game. He's had a great run, but all personal opinions aside, I think he needs to stay.

[User Name]

No, it just enables an auction which has frequently led to disastrously inflated contracts. Crawford, Werth, Pujols, Fielder, BJ Upton.

 

Perfectly described.

[marklmw]

Perfectly described.

 

I hate to see Ellsbury go but I am willing to accept the inevitable. Let the JBJ era begin.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am setting the over under of total dollars given to Ellsbury at $120 million. I am gonna take the over. Who's with me?

[Thunder]

I hate to see Ellsbury go but I am willing to accept the inevitable. Let the JBJ era begin.

 

That's the kicker for me. I don't quite believe in JBJ yet from the offensive side of things. If we had an OF prospect that was the equivalent of a Bogaerts or Dan Butler, than I would feel a little better. I would rather see Shane move over to CF.

[mvp 78]

I am setting the over under of total dollars given to Ellsbury at $120 million. I am gonna take the over. Who's with me?

 

Way over. Mystery Team is already at 6/130.

[sk7326]

The free market sets value sort of ... but that neglects the winner's curse of the auction, which Bell described. The team that wins the auction by definition overpays compared to the market. Now, it's not my money - and if the owners want to pocket the money saved from not signing Ellsbury then bleep them, obviously. But this team's history financially has not been anything to worry about on that front. If you let Ells and Drew walk, you can source 3 of the 8 positions for less than $2M TOTAL. For that money, what can the team do? That is the key.