The Twins under Gardenhire vs. the Yankees - a baseball abomination

[Bellhorn04]

Well, I knew it was bad. But until you pull up the actual numbers you don't realize what a mind-blowing abomination it really is.

 

Some of you may even disbelieve that these are the real numbers. But they are, God help us, they are.

 

(Since 2002)

 

Regular season

W-L 21-58

RS-RA 302-443

 

Postseason

W-L 2-12

RS-RA 36-69

 

Total

W-L 23-70 (.247)

RS-RA 338-512 (-174)

 

Let it sink in...23 wins and a minus 174 differential in 93 games.

 

Unsurprisingly, the Twins have not won the season series once since 2002, though to be fair they did eke out a 3-3 tie twice.

 

In 2001, the Twins last year under Tom Kelly, the Twins won the season series 4-2.

 

It's an outrage that Gardenhire has been permitted to keep his job through this 12-year nightmare.

[a700hitter]

Well, I knew it was bad. But until you pull up the actual numbers you don't realize what a mind-blowing abomination it really is.

 

Some of you may even disbelieve that these are the real numbers. But they are, God help us, they are.

 

(Since 2002)

 

Regular season

W-L 21-58

RS-RA 302-443

 

Postseason

W-L 2-12

RS-RA 36-69

 

Total

W-L 23-70 (.247)

RS-RA 338-512 (-174)

 

Let it sink in...23 wins and a minus 174 differential in 93 games.

 

Unsurprisingly, the Twins have not won the season series once since 2002, though to be fair they did eke out a 3-3 tie twice.

 

In 2001, the Twins last year under Tom Kelly, the Twins won the season series 4-2.

 

It's an outrage that Gardenhire has been permitted to keep his job through this 12-year nightmare.

Thanks for the numbers Bells!! I have been bashing Gardenhire for years. People would actually defend him. I guess they don't watch too many Yankee-Twins games. He will always find a way to lose in the late innings. It has gotten to the point where I do not watch those games anymore. I have said many times that watching the Yankees-Twins is like watching a bad movie over and over expecting the ending to change. It doesn't. There is no arguing with those numbers. They are disgraceful.

[User Name]

Man i said in another thread "since 2002" from the top of my head, and boy was i ever right on that one. Nice research Bellhorn, interesting topic.

[yankees228]

Well, I knew it was bad. But until you pull up the actual numbers you don't realize what a mind-blowing abomination it really is.

 

Some of you may even disbelieve that these are the real numbers. But they are, God help us, they are.

 

(Since 2002)

 

Regular season

W-L 21-58

RS-RA 302-443

 

Postseason

W-L 2-12

RS-RA 36-69

 

Total

W-L 23-70 (.247)

RS-RA 338-512 (-174)

 

Let it sink in...23 wins and a minus 174 differential in 93 games.

 

Unsurprisingly, the Twins have not won the season series once since 2002, though to be fair they did eke out a 3-3 tie twice.

 

In 2001, the Twins last year under Tom Kelly, the Twins won the season series 4-2.

 

It's an outrage that Gardenhire has been permitted to keep his job through this 12-year nightmare.

 

Yes, because decisions should be made about Ron Gardenhire's job status based solely on how he does against the Yankees. That's an excellent point. Never mind his five postseason appearances (and a one game playoff that they lost), with a mostly small market club. Or anything else about the impact a manager truly has on a baseball game.

 

"It's an outrage ..." ... I mean, lol. Hyperboles coupled with intense language is never the way to go.

Edited July 4, 2013 by yankees228

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, because decisions should be made about Ron Gardenhire's job status based solely on how he does against the Yankees. That's an excellent point. Never mind his five postseason appearances (and a one game playoff that they lost), with a mostly small market club. Or anything else about the impact a manager truly has on a baseball game.

 

"It's an outrage ..." ... I mean, lol. Hyperboles coupled with intense language is never the way to go.

 

Much of the hyperbole was for comic effect.

[a700hitter]

Yes, because decisions should be made about Ron Gardenhire's job status based solely on how he does against the Yankees. That's an excellent point. Never mind his five postseason appearances (and a one game playoff that they lost), with a mostly small market club. Or anything else about the impact a manager truly has on a baseball game.

 

"It's an outrage ..." ... I mean, lol. Hyperboles coupled with intense language is never the way to go.

His record against the Yankees is a disgrace, especially since he has had competitive teams throughout the period that play consistently above .500.

[yankees228]

Much of the hyperbole was for comic effect.

 

Ah, my faith in humanity is partially restored.

[yankees228]

His record against the Yankees is a disgrace, especially since he has had competitive teams throughout the period that play consistently above .500.

 

Well I guess this becomes a matter of interpreting results, assigning blame, etc. Those things tend to never be as easy as they appear.

[Standing Room]

Why do people think Ron Gardenhire is to blame for this?

[yankees228]

Why do people think Ron Gardenhire is to blame for this?

 

Because one time he took Johan out after five innings and almost one hundred pitches while on three days rest, and then watched one of his relievers pitch two scoreless innings, what a fool blah blah blah.

[Bellhorn04]

Why do people think Ron Gardenhire is to blame for this?

 

For the same reasons any manager has to take some of the blame when a record of failure reaches this magnitude.

[Northern Star]

Bill Smith set them back years and they're still not fully recovered, even though Terry Ryan is back in the saddle (he should never have left). Since Mauer and Morneau and Cuddyer came through, their minors has been a virtual wasteland, particularly for pitching. There are a couple of decent guys like Arcia coming through the upper minors now, with Sano still to come. Under the circumstances, I think Gardy has done about as well as can be expected.

[a700hitter]

Well I guess this becomes a matter of interpreting results, assigning blame, etc. Those things tend to never be as easy as they appear.

The numbers are overwhelmingly bad. Many many of those games were lost in the late innings when Gardenhire decided time and again to over-manage games.

 

Small market or not. The Twins have seen their share of World Championships, and Gardy has had talented competitive teams throughout his tenure, but he's won only one post season series in 11 years and lost 7 series. In the 7 series that the Twins have lost under his leadership, they have won a total of 3 games. That's horrible. He had a nice long tenure and plenty of chances. It's time for the Twins organization to give someone else a chance.

[Standing Room]

For the same reasons any manager has to take some of the blame when a record of failure reaches this magnitude.

 

That's ridiculous. If Gardenhire had a 70-20 record against a team, would that be an argument for him being a Hall of Fame manager? You don't judge any player or manager by 3% of their career.

[a700hitter]

Bill Smith set them back years and they're still not fully recovered, even though Terry Ryan is back in the saddle (he should never have left). Since Mauer and Morneau and Cuddyer came through, their minors has been a virtual wasteland, particularly for pitching. There are a couple of decent guys like Arcia coming through the upper minors now, with Sano still to come. Under the circumstances, I think Gardy has done about as well as can be expected.

And Gardy won nothing with those guys either.

[seabeachfred]

When the Twins see a Yankee uniform they s*** in their pants. This has been going on for over a decade and time and again the Twinkies lose in the late innings. You could almost set your clock by it. They are the biggest disgrace in baseball because there is no rhyme or reason for one team to be so inept against another as the Minnesotans are against New York. What further infuriates me is that Minnesota is my least favorite state and Minneapolis to me is the slag heap of the Mid-West. Besides any state that can elect that miserable piece of s*** Al Franken to the US Senate should be bombed out of existence.

[Bellhorn04]

That's ridiculous. If Gardenhire had a 70-20 record against a team, would that be an argument for him being a Hall of Fame manager? You don't judge any player or manager by 3% of their career.

 

The Twins' terrible record against the Yankees goes hand in hand with their terrible postseason record, a lot of which is also against the Yankees.

 

Bottom line is, I'm sick and tired of the Twins getting bulldozed by the Yankees every year.

[a700hitter]

The Twins' terrible record against the Yankees goes hand in hand with their terrible postseason record, a lot of which is also against the Yankees.

 

Bottom line is, I'm sick and tired of the Twins getting bulldozed by the Yankees every year.

And they bulldozed by the A's one year 3 -0. He's had good teams for most of his 11 years. Before Morneau became on of the walking wounded, he had a lineup eith two of the best hitters in the game in Mauer and Morneau. He also had Cuddyer and the best pitcher in the game for a few years in Santana, and some good bullpens, but he couldn't get it done in the offseason. If I was a Twins fn I'd be screaming for a new manager.