Trades before the deadline?

[Dojji]

Bud Norris is an interesting name. I'm not in love with him and I wouldn't put Cecchini on the line for him, much less Bogaerts, of course. But his name is worth keeping in mind. I disagree that Iglesias carries the requisite value. I feel a deal for Norris will be built around prospects that other teams have a better read on, and the rest of the league is waiting patiently for Iglesias to fall back to earth. Would hardly be the first time I was wrong however.

 

As much as I've pimped that big Shields concept I'm honestly not sure we're going to be in the market for a SP at all. I see upgrades to the rotation being beneficial but not a desperate need, and that's not a great time to overpay unless what you're overpaying for puts you over the top for mulriple seasons.

[Standing Room]

I wouldnt trade Bogaerts unless its for an Ace or a slugger like Stanton. But i dont think he moves.

 

I think the Red Sox go after a guy like Bud Norris or Matt Garza for the Rotation. And i hate to say it i think Iggy would be the trade chip to land either of those guys. I know im gonna catch heat for that but it just makes sense.

 

Bogaerts is the SS of the future and Middlebrooks is gonna be at 3rd. And a trade for a long time 1st Baseman with a big bat in the offseason or a resign of Napoli if his bat gets power back in it.

 

A bullpen arm is gonna happen. One atleast and maybe a call up to give some of the young kids a try.

 

I like where the Sox are at this year and i hope they can keep it going. Maybe a couple of moves away and staying healthy and a little luck can bring us a World Series .

 

I don't see how trading Iglesias for Bud Norris or a similar pitcher makes the Red Sox a better team. He's not any better than Dempster or Doubront and we'd lose Iglesias.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So, Howard just went under the knife w a meniscus tear, out 8-10 weeks.

 

The Phillies will be sellers. Go get Lee.

[italstallianion]

At this point I feel like our bullpen is our only real need, with Morales hurt, Miller hurt, Hanrahan hurt (and bad) and Bailey inconsistent. That just leaves Breslow and our Japanese imports (plus or minus Wilson) that I'd feel comfortable with in a game. I wouldn't say we'd need a Papelbon, but someone like a Jesse Crain, or another reliable arm (I'd also give Rubby De La Rosa a shot at some ML innings) And Workman for that matter.

 

I also think we can use a 3B for our offense. I wouldn't mind a combination of Bogaerts/Middlebrooks/Iglesias in the future at 3B and SS, but I don't feel comfortable with Snyder and Holt getting many AB's. I think we could go after someone like Michael Young which could benefit our team at a reasonable cost without changing anything for the future.

 

I'd love to get a starter but there's literally no point in a starter that isn't better than any of our 5 starters, and there isn't a point in overpaying for a halfway decent starter unless the news on Buchholz is dire, or Lester can't regain his previous status, or if Dempster/Lackey/Doubront get injured/suck. I believe the only point in getting a starter should be to get an elite starter that would be paired with Buchholz (and hopefully a good Lester) in the postseason.

[Spitball]

Workman I would say ok. But Ranaudo switching to the BP and then most likely going back to the rotation next season worries me.

I think the Daniel Bard situation has us leery of this, but lots of developing pitchers like Adam Wainright and David Price started out with short stints as relievers.

[SoxSport]

Bard was a special situation. He had failed as a starter in the minors, and they should have known his limitations. I wouldn't extrapolate Bard to anyone else.

 

Delarosa is clearly a kid overdue to be brought up. There is a sense of urgency here.

But the FO tends to operate at a steady state.

Edited July 9, 2013 by SoxSport

[Spitball]

Bard was a special situation. He had failed as a starter in the minors, and they should have known his limitations. I wouldn't extrapolate Bard to anyone else.

 

I am guessing you took this personally or have been waiting for the chance to use extrapolate in a post.

 

Delarosa is clearly a kid overdue to be brought up. There is a sense of urgency here.

But the FO tends to operate at a steady state.

 

He is still struggling with 4.1 walks per 9, but I agree he should be given a chance.

[User Name]

^POTY candidate

[Spitball]

nm Haha! Edited July 9, 2013 by Spitball

[jung]

Well when things are going as badly as they are for the pen...injury etc. ya' gotta' try stuff like DLR. But I really still feel like these younger guys are not going to be an answer this year and so far I think they continue to prove it. We will likely need to get some help for the pen from outside the organization. I obviously cannot tell you who it will be. But honestly I really don't think BC will sit on his hands in this regard. He will get somebody in here and maybe multiple somebodies I think.

[SoxSport]

The team is on the downs right now after a run at Fenway. That 2nd game in LA affected their momentum. Bradley should have been playing CF last night with injuries to Vic and Ells. Middlebrooks should have been recalled to fill in at 3B. Injuries can turn things around quickly in a race, and you can't let up for a minute. Vic and Drew are two guys who are high upkeep. Ells has never been that durable, either.

 

I think the FO will have to make a decision shortly about this year or the future. Whether they want to give up a good prospect or two to improve significantly right now, or whether to get give up less for a bullpen arm. I think the primary need is to improve the pitching--and the defense, which is near the bottom of the league right now.

[a700hitter]

They can't play Nava in CF. That is pretty clear. Last night it hurt us.

[Standing Room]

The team is on the downs right now after a run at Fenway. That 2nd game in LA affected their momentum. Bradley should have been playing CF last night with injuries to Vic and Ells. Middlebrooks should have been recalled to fill in at 3B. Injuries can turn things around quickly in a race, and you can't let up for a minute. Vic and Drew are two guys who are high upkeep. Ells has never been that durable, either.

 

I think the FO will have to make a decision shortly about this year or the future. Whether they want to give up a good prospect or two to improve significantly right now, or whether to get give up less for a bullpen arm. I think the primary need is to improve the pitching--and the defense, which is near the bottom of the league right now.

 

This panic post seems unnecessary. We're on a west coast trip facing some very difficult pitchers, most people expected us this to be difficult. Ellsbury and Victorino were late scratches, Bradley's not superman. He couldn't travel across the country in a couple of hours and play centerfield. Our starting pitching is fine, it's 6th in the majors in WAR. Our defense is fine, it's 10th in the majors in UZR. A bullpen arm or two and we'll be set for a playoff run.

[jung]

Yea I know....Ellsbury's poor widdo wrist hurts. Maybe Boras will fly up to Seattle to kiss it and make it all better or....is he zipping over to home to have mommy give him a big hug. He wouldn't be taking advantage of the proximity to home now would he?

 

You just never can tell with Ells if it is one of those things that he should just play with or if he will risk further injury that would sideline him indefinitely. The difference being, I would never ask that question about Pedey. It does have me wondering this close to the ASB. Ells is going to get a bunch of days off in a row at the break. Taking a night off for a sore wrist this close to such a long break seems sort of odd. Is this a case of "won't play unless feeling perfect". Who knows. Lets see if he plays tonight.

 

If I had my druthers I would sit Vic till he stopped walking around like he has a load in his pants. Not sure if that is the back or the hammy cause either could sort of have the effect. If he does not get his back right, dealing with it will wear him out over time and he might end up with a lotta' inflammation back there which might put him on the shelf for weeks. So, I actually would like to see the Sox build enough time around the ASB to allow him to get as right as he is going to get for a stretch run. Not what I want going into that dungeon in Oakland where his speed in RF is a real asset.

 

Vic is in a lousy part of the country this time of year to be battling a tender back. Seattle can be rainy and rotten. For some people, the worst winter they ever had was summer in San Francisco. I would love for Vic to be able to give us two games in Oakland even if it meant sitting more in Seattle. Take the last game off in Oakland. Then get the ASB and hope it is enough for the back to really free up and maybe the hammy as well.

[Standing Room]

One internal bullpen option that hasn't been talked about is Ryan Rowland-Smith. He has a 1.03 ERA, 0.870 WHIP, 2.3 BB/9 and a 7.8 K/9 in 43.2 innings with Pawtucket. He just had an appendectomy, otherwise we probably would have called him up when Miller got hurt.

[BSN07]

Sucks that Miller is out for the season. He was good so far. I've seen them connected to Thornton, wouldn't be bad I guess.

 

Less is still a no for me. If it's a straight money dump with middling prospects going to Philly then fine, but the odds of that at this point seems silly as Lee could be the best SP available at the TDL.

[italstallianion]

I know that this may be a silly thought, but is there any chance that Lee can be a resource to help Lester regain his control/composure? Lee is one of the best pitchers in my opinion since Greg Maddux at getting "more with less" in terms of strikeouts and limiting walks with a relative lack of velocity. (Koji Uehara would be high in that category as well)

 

That could be an added benefit to Lee. I am more focused on his benefit to a postseason rotation. (Buccholz, Lee, Lackey, Lester) than his effect on regular season games.

[Orange Juiced]

Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere, but the Mets offered Bobby Parnell for Jackie Bradley Jr. Sox said no. Thankfully.

 

http://fenwayrefugees.com/red-sox-reportedly-reject-bobby-parnell-for-jackie-bradley-jr-trade/

[italstallianion]

Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere, but the Mets offered Bobby Parnell for Jackie Bradley Jr. Sox said no. Thankfully.

 

http://fenwayrefugees.com/red-sox-reportedly-reject-bobby-parnell-for-jackie-bradley-jr-trade/

 

 

The Sox probably said no a lot more politely than I would have. Parnell would be a nice piece but not worth JBJ. Not to mention I don't think trading JBJ is in the Sox best interest unilt they mentioned Zach Wheeler or Matt Harvey (I can't think of anyone other than David Wright on their roster that doesn't totally suck) then we'd talk.

 

Yes, I am well aware that Matt Harvey is worth a couple of JBJ's and then some.

[italstallianion]

The article does bring up a good point, the Sox/Mets could be a good match for trading considering how far the Mets are out, and how bad their OF is. The Sox could really use a good RP (and I like Parnell) and the Sox have tons of outfield depth. I think we could get a deal done without JBJ.

 

I looked at the Mets roster and yeah, it really is as bad as I thought it was.

[Orange Juiced]

The article does bring up a good point, the Sox/Mets could be a good match for trading considering how far the Mets are out, and how bad their OF is. The Sox could really use a good RP (and I like Parnell) and the Sox have tons of outfield depth. I think we could get a deal done without JBJ.

 

I looked at the Mets roster and yeah, it really is as bad as I thought it was.

 

Brentz and a smaller piece for Parnell would work for me.

[Standing Room]

Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere, but the Mets offered Bobby Parnell for Jackie Bradley Jr. Sox said no. Thankfully.

 

http://fenwayrefugees.com/red-sox-reportedly-reject-bobby-parnell-for-jackie-bradley-jr-trade/

 

The Mets are hilarious.

[mvp 78]

Brentz and a smaller piece for Parnell would work for me.

 

I wouldn't do that deal. They got Breslow for Albers and Podsednik. Wouldn't trade Brentz for any reliever.

[Orange Juiced]

I wouldn't do that deal. They got Breslow for Albers and Podsednik. Wouldn't trade Brentz for any reliever.

 

Parnell is a high quality, late-inning power arm. That's exactly what this team needs. They have tons of OF depth in the minors. I like Brentz, but he's the kind of guy that can be moved to add a necessary piece like a Parnell. Just my opinion, of course.

[SoxSport]

The price looks too steep for some of these high profile closers. Better to look for lesser names with good BP records. Maybe for lower level prospects.

[Dojji]

I wouldn't do that deal. They got Breslow for Albers and Podsednik. Wouldn't trade Brentz for any reliever.

 

I honestly think you're overrating Brentz then. He has power, but he's a bona fide hacker, I doubt he's much more than a platoon bat at the big leagues.

[Behindenemylines]

You have to look long term to see if Brentz is your RF of the future. If not then if you can get Parnell using him in a trade you do it. Parnell will not close for you though. Not sure the bright lights of Boston are his thing. JBJ is your starting CF the next 5 to 6 seasons. Any trade talks stop when his name is mentioned.

[Orange Juiced]

You have to look long term to see if Brentz is your RF of the future. If not then if you can get Parnell using him in a trade you do it. Parnell will not close for you though. Not sure the bright lights of Boston are his thing. JBJ is your starting CF the next 5 to 6 seasons. Any trade talks stop when his name is mentioned.

 

Parnell isn't pitching in Kansas City right now. He's pitching in New York. If he can handle New York, he can handle Boston.

[Behindenemylines]

Parnell isn't pitching in Kansas City right now. He's pitching in New York. If he can handle New York, he can handle Boston.

 

The Mets weren't expected to do anything this season so there was no pressure on him to close and he is pitching like it. Go back a few seasons when the Mets were contending and look at his numbers. A lot easier to pitch for a team that isn't suppose to go anywhere.

[Bellhorn04]

The Mets weren't expected to do anything this season so there was no pressure on him to close and he is pitching like it. Go back a few seasons when the Mets were contending and look at his numbers. A lot easier to pitch for a team that isn't suppose to go anywhere.

 

Huh? What season do you mean? His first full season was 2009. Looks more like he's improving as he approaches his prime years.