Buchholz accused of cheating

[MJantomaso]

Found this article a minute ago...

 

http://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/clay-buchholz-doctoring-cheating/186175

[RedSoxNC84]

LOL of course it was the Jays broadcaster.

[mvp 78]

Does he cheat? Who knows?

 

It didn't stop Gaylord Perry from getting into the HOF.

[Palodios]

Oh! It finally makes sense now. The reason for the Red Sox's turn around is cheating!

[jung]

The article closes with the line "it does not look like rosin. What does the guy writing the piece think rosin mixed with sweat and water looks like.....powder??? What ********.

 

What Buch has had since the beginning of the season is ridiculous command and location you would die for. The movement on his pitches has been good but not out the ass good. Lester has actually had more movement on his offspeed stuff (except for his last outing) but Lester cannot so far match Buch for command and location of a bevy of different pitches. Nobody else has been able to match Buch in that regard either.

 

Buch has been able to move from high and tight and just off the plate inside or just on the black inside if he wants to right on the outside of the black outside with multiple pitches almost at will.

[RedSoxNC84]

Yeah his command and control has been absolutely incredible. Using foreign substances doesn't improve any of that.

[Ruckusmh]

It's okay, I'd be mad too had Buch just destroyed my team.

 

He's been brilliant to this point.

[TylerD]

I've been gettig text messages from my retarded jays fans friends all day. A pitcher must be cheating to have the season Clay is having. Honestly some people..... 99 % of these people haven't watched Clay play at all.

[VA Sox Fan]

Oh! It finally makes sense now. The reason for the Red Sox's turn around is cheating!

 

Why, of course!

[italstallianion]

I just looked at his website, it looks so arrogant (and f***ing weird)

[RedSoxNC84]

Now he says

 

"maybe it was rosin, maybe not, looked awfully fishy though."

[soxfan17881]

The Red Sox have 31 home tuns so far this season and 16 of them have been against the Blow Jays. The BJ's (prior to tonight) have 52 strike-outs in the five games they've played vs. Boston, only 8 of those are Clay's doing.

 

If they thought he was doctoring the ball (and by "they" I mean anyone on the Toronto organization whose opinion means anything) it would have been brought up.

 

Morris is either full if s*** or as dumb as same.

[jung]

Guys' an *******...totally senseless accusation...made as if it had merit and foundation in reason or logic....really pissed me off cause the accusation flew in the face of what was actually happening on the field. Yet, initially he made it sound like is was a "no doubter". *******!

[Youk Of The Nation]

This, from the guy who makes a living announcing at-bats for Melky Cabrera.

[italstallianion]

This, from the guy who makes a living announcing at-bats for Melky Cabrera.

 

 

...because he couldn't make a living as an actual MLB pitcher....when he pitched for Toronto...the team Buchholz just embarrassed.

[RedSoxNC84]

Comparing Buchholz to anyone cheating was a low blow even, this guy should be fired.

[User Name]

Eck tellls Jack Morris to zip it with Buch accusations since he can't even make the HOF

 

This is golden.

[Spitball]

Eck tellls Jack Morris to zip it with Buch accusations since he can't even make the HOF

 

This is golden.

 

Excellent! You have to love Eckersley!

[italstallianion]

I wish Eck would hit Morris up on twitter and be like "u mad bro?"

[RedSoxNC84]

Those two dicks even said Tazawa was doctoring the ball too.

 

The idiots said his right arm looked like it had something on it.. Well he's a right handed pitcher, how is he going to apply something from his right forearm, using his right hand.

[mvp 78]

Wasn't Toronto accused of stealing pitch locations last year? They also have Cabrera, Bautista and Encarnacion.

 

I guess they need to blame someone for their s***** start but can't look in the mirror. Totally classless organization imo.

[BornToRun]

I tried guys, I really tried. I did my best but I just couldn't, for the life of me, find the single tiniest shred of a f*** to give about this.

[jung]

What truly sucked about it in my estimation is that it was contested with such conviction at the first and that is likely to be the only thing that most of the world will see. On a % basis very few will see the opposing arguments and even fewer will see Mr. Dickhead finally admitting that "oh well it sure looked suspicious". WHAT???? I actually wish he had not said anything further with the exception of a full and complete apology which is what he actually owes Buch.

 

He has a public forum and a position that gives him some credibility and that is how he decided to use it? What an ass.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The problem that I have with this is that this guy just see's Buch's success and blames it on cheating. He see's a grainy photo and automatically says it's some kind of foreign substance.

 

Take your s*** to Reddit you clown.

 

And do some real analysis.

 

His pitches had virtually the same horizontal and vertical break for all of his pitches were virtually the same yesterday as in years past.

 

Buch career avg CB: Horizontal Break: 7.45 inches, Vertical Break: -8.02 inches

Buch on Wed CB: Horizontal Break: 9.01 inches, Vertical Break: -7.97 inches

 

* It should be noted that Buch's CB had average horizontal movement last year of 9.82 inches *

 

Buch career avg 2 seamer: Horizontal Break: -7.21 inches, Vertical Break: 7.77 inches

Buch 2 seamer on Wed: Horizontal Break: -7.58 inches, Vertical Break: 6.83 inches

 

His cutter was virtually the exact same. His changeup actually had less movement than his career average.

 

But no. Doing actual work would require this guy to think. It's much easier to see something on him and say "Oh he's cheating now. That's why he is having success"

[BSN07]

I don't think Buchholz is loading the ball or cheating or whatever. I will say tho as a pitcher myself I lick my fingers after every pitch and wipe on my pants right after that and even though I have wiped there is a residual "stickiness" that I find helps me with my breaking pitches. I don't think it makes my pitches better, just the grip feels better. So I would imagine grabbing his wet hair or rubbing his arm probably does have some effect on his grip. But I don't see it as any different then say Yu Darvish or Dice K or just about everyone else rubbing their forearms and then rubbing down the ball, which they do all the time.

[a700hitter]

Yeah his command and control has been absolutely incredible. Using foreign substances doesn't improve any of that.

A sticky foreign substance would help grip, command and movement. I heard Jim Rice say it one time, but it is an old saying: "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.". Who the heck cares. He might be trying to get in Buchholz's head. Who knows. Maybe it was sugar from a powdered doughnut. I guess we can look forward to Clay getting inspected by an umpire if he continues to pitch this well. Clay can use this accusation rto get into hitters' heads. I remember that Bobby Murcer would be going nuts 2 days before he faced Gaylord Perry. Perry was in Murcer's head big time. All Perry had to do was touch his cap, his jersey and pat himself in one or two other spots and Murcer would go nuts demanding that the ump undress Perry. LOL! They never found anything when he was pitching to Murcer, but Murcer would get so mad that he'd ruin his AB's. So, to those who say that Buch is cheating, I say: Maybe he is. GFY!

[Dojji]

A sticky foreign substance would help grip, command and movement.

 

http://media.courierpress.com/media/img/photos/2010/08/25/Cardinals_Pirates_Bas_John7_t607.jpg

 

Yes. Yes it would.

 

It would also be perfectly legal as long as that substance was rosin. If Buchholz rosined up his glove arm so he wouldn't have to go back to the bag and break the pace he wants in his game that explains almost everything.

[a700hitter]

[quote=Dojji;836598Yes. Yes it would.

 

It would also be perfectly legal as long as that substance was rosin. If Buchholz rosined up his glove arm so he wouldn't have to go back to the bag and break the pace he wants in his game that explains almost everything.Yes, agreed, but what about the sugar from a powdered doughnut. Sticky stuff.

[SoxSport]

Remember when that idiot network TV announcer said outrageously during a game telecast that Schilling had faked the bloody sock? I heard that, and I was stunned at somebody saying something like that on the air without any foundation. We all know the NY bias these network guys have, be it CBS, NBC, Fox or even MLB TV--they are all-NY based. Some of them can't hardly wait to bring up the Yankees or the Jets (the Jets? they suck) while they're talking about something else. This one appeared to be another one of those anti-Red Sox diatribes. And that yokel is still broadcasting TV games.

 

Now these guys aren't NY--at least on the surface of it. Could be just a case of sour grapes, anti-Farrell (now why didn't he do that to our pitchers in Toronto? LOL), or just resentment that the Red Sox have turned the tables on everybody. I recall listening to an MLB TV show, where these guys were gushing over the Yankees start with all their injuries--while not mentioning the Red Sox have the best record in baseball!

 

So there you have it. The media is love-hate. They have to sell their ratings and their advertising. If there isn't any conflict, they will create it. That's entertainment. That's TV.

[mvp 78]

It was a B-more guy and he just misunderstood a Mirabelli joke. He also apologized the next day. Kinda different.