Daniel Nava Vs Josh Hamilton

[Porcupine penis]

Nava:

.357 average

4 homers

14 RBI

.463 OBP

1.130 OPS

 

Salary: $505k

 

Hamilton:

.182 average

2 homers

8 RBI

.253 OBP

.587 OPS

 

Salary: $17.4 million

 

Enough said. Many people said the red sox weren't aggressive enough in free agency, not going after hamiton has been a very smart move thus far.

[ibot2much]

I always liked the kid, but he got a lot of negative reactions here. Hopefully this success will continue because he is doing more than his 505K for the team

[Dojji]

He got a lot of negative reactions because I went over the top backing him up, and wound up making the skeptics feel like they needed to dig in and fortify. I can bring so much energy to one of these discussions at times that it triggers backlash.

[Station 13]

Let's see how he finish the season. It sure wasn't a happy ending last time.

[Dojji]

True but he did still finish with a 100 OPS+ overall. Not a bad thing to build off.

 

The fact that he seems to have handled adding 1B to his arsenal fairly well is another encouraging sign, and in interviews, he comes across as a smart kid who gets what he is and what he needs to do to stick. I seem to recall he was a player-coach for awhile in college, from what I've seen (and I've seen no more than anyone else who may be paying attention) that doesn't surprise me. And he seems to have a lot of fun out there.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Let's see how he finish the season. It sure wasn't a happy ending last time.

 

lol yeah. Hamilton's numbers are going to crush Nava's with ease.

[italstallianion]

I'm also curious to see how Josh Reddick's numbers finish and compare as well.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Reddick will lose out time to injury. A strained beard is at least two weeks.

[BornToRun]

Hamilton's heroin injecting skills dwarf nava's. Danny Boy has work to do if he wants to catch up.

[Bellhorn04]

Hamilton's average salary over the contract is actually 25 million. He's making 50 times as much as Nava this year.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Little early for this but I was against signing Hamilton regardless.

[reYoukilis]

lol yeah. Hamilton's numbers are going to crush Nava's with ease.

 

Yeah but, like A-Rod, he doesnt do it when it counts. The difference between Hamiltons numbers when it comes to good pitchers and bad pitchers is huge. Nava is more patient and gets on base more.

[User Name]

Hamilton career with men on: .914 OPS

 

Late & close, tie game or within a run: .905 OPS

 

Vs power pitchers: .829 OPS (league average is .705)

 

Hamilton's very clutch. Let's not get carried away and talk nonsense trying to compare a guy of his caliber to Nava. If you're talking about the 35 PA's he's failed in the last two postseasons, well, they're 35 PA's.

 

Nava's doing good, but let's keep things in perspective.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Rarely do I say this, but I agree with UN?. Nava is doing great, and I definitely think he has it in him to be an everyday player in the major leagues, but he's nowhere near the level of Hamilton. Yes, he's doing better than Hamilton this season, but it's not even May yet. Middlebrooks looked like the next Barry Bonds for a couple days at the beginning of the season, and look at him now. There's no guarantee that won't happen to Nava at some point in the next month or so. (In fact, I don't think it will, but you never know). The only way I would concede that Nava is better than Hamilton is if he can sustain this level of play over the rest of this season while Hamilton doesn't.

 

For the record, also, I never wanted Hamilton anyways.

[User Name]

I was openly ridiculed as a "ballwasher" for not wanting him. I still don't, but let's be real.

[RedSoxNC84]

Hamilton does put up great numbers, and he is a clutch hitter, but damn that guy strikes out A LOT.

[reYoukilis]

Hamilton career with men on: .914 OPS

 

Late & close, tie game or within a run: .905 OPS

 

Vs power pitchers: .829 OPS (league average is .705)

 

Hamilton's very clutch. Let's not get carried away and talk nonsense trying to compare a guy of his caliber to Nava. If you're talking about the 35 PA's he's failed in the last two postseasons, well, they're 35 PA's.

 

Nava's doing good, but let's keep things in perspective.

All Im saying is what I saw and that was that the difference between Hamiltons numbers of good pitchers and bad is a bigger gap than the norm.

 

People fall in love, or fear these larger than life cats like Hamilton, A-Rod and Pujols but its really guys like Youkilis, Pedroia, Berkman etc that get you the ring.

[Lord Snow]

I've always found Daniel Nava to be incredibly underrated. He is a good bat and I'm glad he is having early season success. Lets hope he can keep it going for 162+.

 

If he can go .270/.360 I would be happy to have him in the line-up all season and I certainly think he is capable of those numbers.

 

Josh Hamilton will recover and be Josh Hamilton. It's the first month of the season he is still adjusting to a new city, and new teammates. Come the ASB when Josh Hamilton has 20 home runs and 70 RBI I don't think you'll be talking!

[BSN07]

lol this is such a ridiculous comparison

 

I'm happy the past on Hamilton, although for the right deal(2-3 years, wasn't happening) I would have been ok with it.

 

Nava has been good so far. But I'm not going to totally back him yet. I want to see him hold up over a whole season. By that I mean he's likely to come back to Earth at some point because he is not the reincarnation of Mantle. But if he finishes at something like .280 average and keeps the OBP up around .400 with 15+ HR I will probably be one that thinks they will need to find a full time role for him, most likely in LF.

[a700hitter]

lol this is such a ridiculous comparison

 

I'm happy the past on Hamilton, although for the right deal(2-3 years, wasn't happening) I would have been ok with it.

 

Nava has been good so far. But I'm not going to totally back him yet. I want to see him hold up over a whole season. By that I mean he's likely to come back to Earth at some point because he is not the reincarnation of Mantle. But if he finishes at something like .280 average and keeps the OBP up around .400 with 15+ HR I will probably be one that thinks they will need to find a full time role for him, most likely in LF.

Hater.

[BSN07]

Hater.

 

Sometimes.

[Bellhorn04]

Come the ASB when Josh Hamilton has 20 home runs and 70 RBI I don't think you'll be talking!

 

Put me down for the under on both of those numbers.

[Bellhorn04]

Nava has been good so far. But I'm not going to totally back him yet. I want to see him hold up over a whole season. By that I mean he's likely to come back to Earth at some point because he is not the reincarnation of Mantle. But if he finishes at something like .280 average and keeps the OBP up around .400 with 15+ HR I will probably be one that thinks they will need to find a full time role for him, most likely in LF.

 

From a big Nava fan (me), I think this is a very reasonable position.

[kapsis21]

From a big Nava fan (me), I think this is a very reasonable position.

 

and so far he and Napoli are the only ones that have had clutch hits to win a game in the 8th or 9th.. well my bad even Victo had 1.

i hate extra inning games since we dont have Aceves who can chew up innings. One of the reasons why i liked Doubront was in these scenarios he was spectacular. 3-4 innings. he is out of gas everytime after the 5th inning.

[Quinny]

It's funny how more and more "long time Nava fans" are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden...

 

I would usually knock Nava and think he could never be a full-time corner outfielder because of his lack of power, but he is proving me wrong thus far this year. He will go on a slump very soon and people will start calling for his head again.

[a700hitter]

It's funny how more and more "long time Nava fans" are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden...

 

I would usually knock Nava and think he could never be a full-time corner outfielder because of his lack of power, but he is proving me wrong thus far this year. He will go on a slump very soon and people will start calling for his head again.

I have always been a Nava fan. I was at the game when he hit the Grand Slam on the first pitch he saw in the majors. However, I didn't think he had what it takes to stick in the majors for more than a few cups of coffee. He is proving me wrong.

[MJantomaso]

Carp > everyone

[jung]

I actually think LF is the optimal location for Nava. He suffers from his lack of speed in CF or RF as we saw yesterday. Fenway's LF is a great spot for him because as I have contended on several occasions, LF does not require as much athletic ability as the the other two fields but does require more knowledge of the game, of the field in order to inform the additional judgements the LF must make.

 

For example I used in my arguments about LF the fact that the LFer can throw to the wrong base in such a way that it is impossible to recover whereas the RF has to throw the ball into the RF grandstands to really screw up. The RF needs a better arm but really can't go that far wrong directionally as all the plays are in front of him. Sure enough, one of JBJ's mistakes in LF was throwing home instead of throwing to 2nd when he had no chance to get the runner at home. As a consequence he gave up 2nd base to the hitter who by rights should not have gotten past 1st.

 

Nava has made himself a decent LFer and I have contended that save moving people around that are already in the everyday lineup for the Sox, Nava is the best LFer we have.

[Dojji]

I'd compare Nava favorably to a guy like Troy O'Leary -- a serviceable and competent player who will never participate in the All-Star Game buy who can give you positive value if you use him right.

 

He's a roleplayer, and a good one, but the comparison to Hamilton is quite unfair to Nava.

[Lord Snow]

It's funny how more and more "long time Nava fans" are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden...

 

I would usually knock Nava and think he could never be a full-time corner outfielder because of his lack of power, but he is proving me wrong thus far this year. He will go on a slump very soon and people will start calling for his head again.

 

While I'll admit he isn't the ideal corner outfielder because he doesn't possess tremendous power but he does contribute with a decent average and OBP. Those are probably the two most important statistical categories for an offense player to excel in. I'm content with him in the starting line-up everyday as long as his OBP is over .350, like it has been for the last two years. Power and speed are nice to have but I wouldn't take power and speed over AVG and OBP.