Sox moves to make

[cak33]

The red sox need to make a bold move. They need to get stanton out of miami. Trade for him to play right field. They need to lock up pedroia for the long term. get it done the guy said he wants to be a sock for life. try and get ellsburry to extend his contract. lets face it we need him on this team and he is our cf and lead off man. show him the contract. dont let him walk or trade him can you imagine him and stanton in the outfield together. Not to mention this makes our core group of players for the next years to come; Pedroia ellsbury middlebrooks stanton. That is basically 4 out of your top 5 hitters you'll have locked up. i think whatever the price it takes for stanton we need to pay it. he is the kind of player the red sox need to make the dynysty.

 

As for 1b They should walk away from napoli and either sign laroche or my personal choose trade for either John Smoak or Ike Davis. Both smoak and davis would bring youth to our team and their is not really a cap on their production like laroche being 33. so a three year deal with him is not really what we are looking for. Smoak and davis i believe are 25.

 

Line up with these moves:

Ellsbury- CF

Pedroia- 2B

stanton RF

Ortiz- DH

Laroche, Smoak Or Davis- 1B

Middlesbrooks- 3B

Victorinio- LF

Saltamaccia- C

Drew-ss

This is a Winning lineup and sox need to pull it off.

 

Lester. Buckholtz. Dempster. Doubrant. Acceves or Lackey i think will be our starting rotation unless we could make a move and get another pitcher. I Just dont believe in Lackey i feel we should have kept beckett and sent lackey packing in that deal but whatever thats my personal opinon.

 

Bullpen is pretty set with

Hanrahan, Bailey, Tazawa, Miller, Breslow, acceves, bard, Morales, Uehara and more so they have a deep pen these names here are to many to put in the bullpen haha. so i say trade some to get smoak. And trade prospects and Mlb ready pitchers to get Stanton. Sign Wilson To fill the pen need after the Trades.

 

Our bench should have some pretty solid guys on it as well with Ross-C, Gomes-RF. Either Nava or Kalish- OF and Either Holt or ciriaico As utilty infeilder. Gomez to hold down 1b if need be will surley be on the 40 man roster. This is a winning roster i hope that everyone can see that. i hope ben cherington gets the message and makes it happen atleast get stanton. He is the player to have.

[mvp 78]

How would you make pie in the sky trades without giving up some MLB talent? What trade are you suggesting? Also, Smoak is absolutely terrible.

[TrueFax]

A Stanton acquisition precludes a Smoak or Davis trade. Furthermore, I imagine the Marlins would want Middlebrooks and Doubront and then a lot in a Stanton trade - not so much because they are going to be superstars, but because they are young and cost-controlled.

[Spitball]

If Stanton becomes available, teams will be lining up with offers much better than Middlebrooks and Doubront. There should be no question about that.

[onlybereaved]

Re: cak33's opinion regarding Beckett

 

I understand that some people still like Josh Beckett. With that being said, Beckett was a complete polution to the team and made blatently clear that he didn't give a rats ass about anything anymore in Boston.

 

You just can't keep a guy like that around, unless he is just pitching so well that it's worth putting up with him and his antics. (needless to say, he wasn't pitching remotely close to that well).

 

Nome sayn

[Lucienbel]

If Stanton becomes available, teams will be lining up with offers much better than Middlebrooks and Doubront. There should be no question about that.

 

Certainly. I do think there's a possibility the Marlins do deal him at some point in time, but I don't know if what we'd have to give up would be worth it even assuming we could compete with what other teams are giving up.

 

As for Ellsbury, there's no way Boras lets him just sign an extension with the Red Sox unless something terrible happens to him...... In which case I don't think an extension would really be worth it. I think Ellsbury is replaceable, be it through a prospect of our own or free agency eventually. If he spent more time on the field and proved what he did in 2011 I'd feel different, but it'd be tough giving a guy the kind of money he'll want for what we've actually got out of him.

 

I completely agree with extending Pedroia. Pedroia is quality, on the field every day he can possibly be out there, and dedicated to playing.

 

I think it's unrealistic to think we could have moved Lackey over Beckett no matter which you prefer. With Lackey having Tommy John surgery and making that much money, he would have been nearly impossible to get rid of.

[PlugInHysteriaBaby]

The red sox need to make a bold move. They need to get stanton out of miami. Trade for him to play right field. They need to lock up pedroia for the long term. get it done the guy said he wants to be a sock for life. try and get ellsburry to extend his contract. lets face it we need him on this team and he is our cf and lead off man. show him the contract. dont let him walk or trade him can you imagine him and stanton in the outfield together. Not to mention this makes our core group of players for the next years to come; Pedroia ellsbury middlebrooks stanton. That is basically 4 out of your top 5 hitters you'll have locked up. i think whatever the price it takes for stanton we need to pay it. he is the kind of player the red sox need to make the dynysty.

 

As for 1b They should walk away from napoli and either sign laroche or my personal choose trade for either John Smoak or Ike Davis. Both smoak and davis would bring youth to our team and their is not really a cap on their production like laroche being 33. so a three year deal with him is not really what we are looking for. Smoak and davis i believe are 25.

 

Line up with these moves:

Ellsbury- CF

Pedroia- 2B

stanton RF

Ortiz- DH

Laroche, Smoak Or Davis- 1B

Middlesbrooks- 3B

Victorinio- LF

Saltamaccia- C

Drew-ss

This is a Winning lineup and sox need to pull it off.

 

Lester. Buckholtz. Dempster. Doubrant. Acceves or Lackey i think will be our starting rotation unless we could make a move and get another pitcher. I Just dont believe in Lackey i feel we should have kept beckett and sent lackey packing in that deal but whatever thats my personal opinon.

 

Bullpen is pretty set with

Hanrahan, Bailey, Tazawa, Miller, Breslow, acceves, bard, Morales, Uehara and more so they have a deep pen these names here are to many to put in the bullpen haha. so i say trade some to get smoak. And trade prospects and Mlb ready pitchers to get Stanton. Sign Wilson To fill the pen need after the Trades.

 

Our bench should have some pretty solid guys on it as well with Ross-C, Gomes-RF. Either Nava or Kalish- OF and Either Holt or ciriaico As utilty infeilder. Gomez to hold down 1b if need be will surley be on the 40 man roster. This is a winning roster i hope that everyone can see that. i hope ben cherington gets the message and makes it happen atleast get stanton. He is the player to have.

 

I'm not entirely against the idea of seeing if we could acquire Justin Smoak.

 

In his time in the minor leagues he hit .279/.400 across all levels, and had a 138/148 BB/K ratio.

 

He's struggled at the MLB level, but his BABIP's have been ridiculously low, a result, in large part, of just plain old bad luck.

 

He could be a classic buy low, change of scenery type.

 

Let's not forget the kid has a career .995 fielding percentage at the MLB level also.

[User Name]

I'm not entirely against the idea of seeing if we could acquire Justin Smoak.

 

In his time in the minor leagues he hit .279/.400 across all levels, and had a 138/148 BB/K ratio.

 

He's struggled at the MLB level, but his BABIP's have been ridiculously low, a result, in large part, of just plain old bad luck.

 

He could be a classic buy low, change of scenery type.

 

Let's not forget the kid has a career .995 fielding percentage at the MLB level also.

 

I was about to post this. Smoak seems to have stagnated but he was a big switch-hitting power guy with excellent MiLB numbers and major league projections. Maybe Safeco has messed with his head and all he needs is a fresh start somewhere else.

[SoxSport]

Beckett's problem is he's in decline. Maybe he hasn't kept up with this conditioning. Hard to tell from here. You have to work harder over 30, and maybe he hasn't. He got a break moving to the NL--that will improve him a tick or so. But he isn't the pitcher he was a few years ago, and they got a break getting rid of his contract.

 

The thing that's puzzling is they replaced all those "bad" contracts with 3 year contracts on more declining players. That's almost as bad as playing out what was left of all those $20 mil contracts. Not quite. They are back to close to the luxury cap again, but the replacements improve them overall if they can stay healthy. The other more expensive guys were underachieving.

 

On Stanton, he will require giving up several top prospects. They are not in that mode right now. They are hoarding prospects, but it's puzzling they haven't left much roster room for them over the next few years.

[User Name]

Beckett's problem is he's in decline. Maybe he hasn't kept up with this conditioning. Hard to tell from here. You have to work harder over 30, and maybe he hasn't. He got a break moving to the NL--that will improve him a tick or so. But he isn't the pitcher he was a few years ago, and they got a break getting rid of his contract.

 

The thing that's puzzling is they replaced all those "bad" contracts with 3 year contracts on more declining players. That's almost as bad as playing out what was left of all those $20 mil contracts. Not quite. They are back to close to the luxury cap again, but the replacements improve them overall if they can stay healthy. The other more expensive guys were underachieving.

 

On Stanton, he will require giving up several top prospects. They are not in that mode right now. They are hoarding prospects, but it's puzzling they haven't left much roster room for them over the next few years.

 

This is outright fallacy. The team's currently set up in a way that their main hitting prospects' positions are filled basically on a year-to-year basis with CF and SS vacating just in time for Bogaerts and JBJ.

 

As for pitching prospects, having a spot when they're ready to contribute will be no problem with Dempster's expiring contract and the carousel teams always have in the #5 spot in the rotation.

[mvp 78]

With the short deals that have been signed, any of the vets could be moved if the Sox eat a little salary. I don't think anyone who is ready would be blocked.

[Behindenemylines]

This is outright fallacy. The team's currently set up in a way that their main hitting prospects' positions are filled basically on a year-to-year basis with CF and SS vacating just in time for Bogaerts and JBJ.

 

As for pitching prospects, having a spot when they're ready to contribute will be no problem with Dempster's expiring contract and the carousel teams always have in the #5 spot in the rotation.

 

I agree with the idea behind the 2013 set up of Ellsbury and Drew holding spots that could be filled by JBJ and Bogaerts in 2014. The same can be said about Dempster and Lackey holding spots for Webster, Barnes, and De La Roza. As far as a Stanton trade, a lot of the younger players mentioned above would be going to Miami. How much of the system are you willing to give up to get Stanton?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Barnes, Bogaerts, Bradley, and Cecchini for Stanton.

 

And it's worth it.

 

He's Manny Ramirez 2.0, with a better attitude.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Maybe it's his modest .466/.464/1.052 career slash line when pulling the ball that has be excited, but I sell the farm for Stanton.

[a700hitter]

Barnes, Bogaerts, Bradley, and Cecchini for Stanton.

 

And it's worth it.

 

He's Manny Ramirez 2.0, with a better attitude.

I agree, but it may not be enough.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I agree, but it may not be enough.

 

That's a top 15, a top 30, a top 50 and a top 80 guy. That's a huge package. But Stanton is a huge player. You may have to add another piece like Frank Montas, who pumps 96-100 as a 19 year old, but is raw. Insane upside with a power arm like that.

 

I would say the Sox would get something back in that deal.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe it's his modest .466/.464/1.052 career slash line when pulling the ball that has be excited, but I sell the farm for Stanton.

 

I can't see the Red Sox emptying the farm for anybody right now. Everything they've been doing this offseason is about hanging onto the prospects.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I can't see the Red Sox emptying the farm for anybody right now. Everything they've been doing this offseason is about hanging onto the prospects.

 

Stanton is not just anybody.

 

He is perhaps the only position player I empty the farm to acquire.

 

David Price, Giancarlo Stanton, Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez.

 

Those are the only players I empty for.

[Bellhorn04]

Stanton is not just anybody.

 

He is perhaps the only position player I empty the farm to acquire.

 

 

Oh I know he's a great hitter. But on the other hand he's one player, one piece of the puzzle. Our puzzle has a lot of holes in it. I'm in favor of holding the prospects this time.

 

An ace pitcher like you mentioned I would feel differently about.