Jose Iglesias

[mvp 78]

Hes awful.

 

His numbers in the minors show that he almost has zero chance or any kind of success at the major league level.

 

You didn't call s***. You were wrong. Iggy being traded doesn't win the argument for you.

[mvp 78]

Ciriaco is plummeting, because he isnt that good. Hes a backup who got hot. If he or Iglesias are starting anywhere for this team next year. They have big time isses.

 

Issues are so bad that they have one of the best records in baseball.

[jad]

I highly doubt Iggy hits .300 next season. He has been very luck with the balls he has put in play this season (he has a shitload of infield hits) and has been in a huge slump lately. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even finish this season over .300

 

Yes. And he will have a lot more with his speed. Meanwhile, we can look forward to Middlebrooks at third, -- have you seen him swing the bat recently at Pawtucket? RS will have a washed up minor-leaguer, and a platoon of 220 hitters with average fielding: Snyder, Drew, MIddlebrooks, and a completely unproven one (Boggaerts). Igl. proved he could get on base, put the bat on the ball, and play several positions, and that he was one of the best fielders around. For this, they now have yet another over-age starting pitcher, with a high salary, and an ERA of 4+.

[BornToRun]

Yes. And he will have a lot more with his speed. Meanwhile, we can look forward to Middlebrooks at third, -- have you seen him swing the bat recently at Pawtucket? RS will have a washed up minor-leaguer, and a platoon of 220 hitters with average fielding: Snyder, Drew, MIddlebrooks, and a completely unproven one (Boggaerts). Igl. proved he could get on base, put the bat on the ball, and play several positions, and that he was one of the best fielders around. For this, they now have yet another over-age starting pitcher, with a high salary, and an ERA of 4+.

 

Drew has an OPS of .718 as a SS and has played solid defense. There is no rational reason for disliking him. He's been fine. Iggy had an absurd, luck fueled hot streak but has since regressed to hitting like a blind pitcher for over a month now. Between Drew at short and whatever we pencil in at 3rd, Iggy's departure will hardly be noticed because he couldn't play the hot corner too well anyway and his bat had already started to come down closer to his actual talent level.

[Orange Juiced]

We will miss Iggy's glove. We will not miss Iggy's bat. We will love watching Xander Bogaerts play SS for the Red Sox for 5-8 years starting in 2014, and will not regret this Iglesias-Peavy trade one little bit, even if Peavy doesn't really help that much.

[sk7326]

Yes. And he will have a lot more with his speed. Meanwhile, we can look forward to Middlebrooks at third, -- have you seen him swing the bat recently at Pawtucket? RS will have a washed up minor-leaguer, and a platoon of 220 hitters with average fielding: Snyder, Drew, MIddlebrooks, and a completely unproven one (Boggaerts). Igl. proved he could get on base, put the bat on the ball, and play several positions, and that he was one of the best fielders around. For this, they now have yet another over-age starting pitcher, with a high salary, and an ERA of 4+.

 

Sox sold high on Iglesias. He has NEVER done what he did in April-May at any level. He had a BABIP of nearly .500 - a lot of balls he hit found holes at a rate which you can't expect. The bet is that he will turn back into a fringe major league pumpkin - which describes his July by the way. Drew has done a solid job when healthy - good defense, doesn't make enough contact but is far more dangerous than Iglesias. The 3B situation is far more interesting. I'd go with Boegarts but Middlebrooks is a safer bet for the rest of the year.

[a700hitter]

Iggy made a big impression on me during Spring Training. He had completely re-tooled his swing , and he was swinging the bat with authority. He was no longer a slap hitter. In Spring Training, he was hitting the ball hard but did not get results. When he got his chance with the big club, the hits started falling in at a very high rate. Recently, that started to normalize, but I don't think he will go back to being an offensive black hole.

 

With Iggy leaving, it seems that some people think that we will see Bogaerts at age 20 (a la Machado for the O's last year). That would be exciting if he injects the energy that Machado did last year. I guess that Middlebrooks is an option, but I am not sure that they will want to risk inserting a black hole into a power slot in the lineup. I don't see Snyder as an option. The trade market also has to be a possibility.

[Behindenemylines]

Sox sold high on Iglesias. He has NEVER done what he did in April-May at any level. He had a BABIP of nearly .500 - a lot of balls he hit found holes at a rate which you can't expect. The bet is that he will turn back into a fringe major league pumpkin - which describes his July by the way. Drew has done a solid job when healthy - good defense, doesn't make enough contact but is far more dangerous than Iglesias. The 3B situation is far more interesting. I'd go with Boegarts but Middlebrooks is a safer bet for the rest of the year.

 

I agree that Sox sold high on Iggy. The last few weeks it has been painful watching him hit. His glove will be missed, but I think Bogaerts will make us forget Iggy. The Tigers can hide his bat in that lineup.

[jopete19]

Ciriaco hit .340 in his first 75 AB last year and look where he is now

 

With the Omaha Storm Chasers

[Orange Juiced]

Iggy made a big impression on me during Spring Training. He had completely re-tooled his swing , and he was swinging the bat with authority. He was no longer a slap hitter. In Spring Training, he was hitting the ball hard but did not get results. When he got his chance with the big club, the hits started falling in at a very high rate. Recently, that started to normalize, but I don't think he will go back to being an offensive black hole.

 

With Iggy leaving, it seems that some people think that we will see Bogaerts at age 20 (a la Machado for the O's last year). That would be exciting if he injects the energy that Machado did last year. I guess that Middlebrooks is an option, but I am not sure that they will want to risk inserting a black hole into a power slot in the lineup. I don't see Snyder as an option. The trade market also has to be a possibility.

 

Over his last 46 games (more than 1/4 of a season), Iggy was hitting .256/.301/.301/.601, with 0 hr and 12 rbi. That may be his true offensive level, and if so, paired with his glove, makes him a pretty useful SS. Detroit would love that.

 

However, even though he really struggled this year in the majors, Middlebrooks' season line (53 games) is: .192/.228/.389/.617, 9 hr, 25 rbi. If this is the "crappy" version of Middlebrooks, that means there's a LOT of room for improvement. We know he's a very capable hitter.

 

But even if that's all we get, it's *still* an offensive upgrade at 3b from Iglesias. And Middlebrooks' glove is very good for 3b. A lot of Iglesias' glove magic is underutilized at 3b (compared to SS). I'll happily put Middlebrooks into the lineup and put him in the #9 hole to take the pressure off, and just let him hit the occasional homer, and maybe, just maybe, he'll get back to last year's form. Iglesias could never touch that.

[User Name]

Yes. And he will have a lot more with his speed. Meanwhile, we can look forward to Middlebrooks at third, -- have you seen him swing the bat recently at Pawtucket? RS will have a washed up minor-leaguer, and a platoon of 220 hitters with average fielding: Snyder, Drew, MIddlebrooks, and a completely unproven one (Boggaerts). Igl. proved he could get on base, put the bat on the ball, and play several positions, and that he was one of the best fielders around. For this, they now have yet another over-age starting pitcher, with a high salary, and an ERA of 4+.

 

All of those guys could outhit Iglesias with a blindfold. This post comes across as a whine-fest.

[jad]

All of those guys could outhit Iglesias with a blindfold. This post comes across as a whine-fest.

 

 

Hard to argue with a guy with a Nixon avatar, but I ask again, have you actually seen Middlebrooks 'swing the bat' (if you can call it that) at Pawtucket? Did you watch any of his performance this year? What makes you think he can get back to a year like he had his rookie year?

[BornToRun]

Hard to argue with a guy with a Nixon avatar, but I ask again, have you actually seen Middlebrooks 'swing the bat' (if you can call it that) at Pawtucket? Did you watch any of his performance this year? What makes you think he can get back to a year like he had his rookie year?

 

Middlebrooks' worst is still more than what can be expected of Iggy going forward. And if WMB flames out, we still have Garin. Iggy has too weak of a bat for 3rd and can't field the position and he sure as hell ain't gonna be the SS with Xander taking that spot. He was destined to be either a trade chip or utility man.

[jad]

That said, I really do hope you're all right. It's just that the RS have not had a good record trading away SS's, each time getting rid of a competent one and replacing him with someone more expensive and not as good, hoping they could find the lightning in the bottle they found getting rid of Nomar. Looked like the streak ended with Lugo, but after today, I'm not sure. Nor am I sure why Drew's multi-million .226 average or Snyder's cheaper .212 or M'B's sub .200 is so impressive, except for the fact that all of them will spend a lot of time on the bench or DL and consequently will do little harm.

[BornToRun]

That said, I really do hope you're all right. It's just that the RS have not had a good record trading away SS's, each time getting rid of a competent one and replacing him with someone more expensive and not as good, hoping they could find the lightning in the bottle they found getting rid of Nomar. Looked like the streak ended with Lugo, but after today, I'm not sure. Nor am I sure why Drew's multi-million .226 average or Snyder's cheaper .212 or M'B's sub .200 is so impressive, except for the fact that all of them will spend a lot of time on the bench or DL and consequently will do little harm.

Drew's average is pretty meaningless. He has a solid for a SS OPS with passable on base skills and power. He's also been surprisingly good defensively.

[SoxSport]

They just replaced Iggy at 3B with Holt--who isn't a 3rd baseman. Tonite, Middlebrooks-3B, Bogaerts-SS for Pawsox. They could be stronger right now with those two in the Boston lineup. You don't know until you try. Look at Workman. Look at Machado.They continue to hope Drew will perform up to his salary. I guess it's possible if he can stay healthy for long enough. He's not a career .220 hitter.

 

Middlebrooks/Bogaerts will get their shot in September--or earlier with injuries.

[sk7326]

That said, I really do hope you're all right. It's just that the RS have not had a good record trading away SS's, each time getting rid of a competent one and replacing him with someone more expensive and not as good, hoping they could find the lightning in the bottle they found getting rid of Nomar. Looked like the streak ended with Lugo, but after today, I'm not sure. Nor am I sure why Drew's multi-million .226 average or Snyder's cheaper .212 or M'B's sub .200 is so impressive, except for the fact that all of them will spend a lot of time on the bench or DL and consequently will do little harm.

 

Well, Drew has been solid when he has played. Glove has been very good - not Iglesias level, but absolutely a plus. At the plate, he has that Mark Bellhorn thing going - where he strikes out so often that the good things he does get offset. His approach at the plate, his ability to square the ball up for hard contact - is way above what Iglesias can offer (and that's how he has been able to hang a .308 OBP despite his issues making contact). By modern SS standards, he has been pretty good and worth the contract more or less.

[SoxSport]

Middlebrooks' worst is still more than what can be expected of Iggy going forward. And if WMB flames out, we still have Garin. Iggy has too weak of a bat for 3rd and can't field the position and he sure as hell ain't gonna be the SS with Xander taking that spot. He was destined to be either a trade chip or utility man.

 

Iggy swung a good bat in ST, and hit pretty well for a time until slacking in July--just like Pedroia slacked--by the way. They both hit about .100. He played mostly out of position at 3B. I figure he has a decent chance to be Detroit's regular SS of the future. They gave up a top OF prospect for him, so Dombrowski sees something--mostly defense, which Detroit needs badly with Miggy at 3b.

 

Ha. It's Miggy-Iggy on the left side for the Tigers. Nice contrast in offense-defense.

[User Name]

Hard to argue with a guy with a Nixon avatar, but I ask again, have you actually seen Middlebrooks 'swing the bat' (if you can call it that) at Pawtucket? Did you watch any of his performance this year? What makes you think he can get back to a year like he had his rookie year?

 

He doesn't have to. He just has to be better than Iglesias, who on top of not hitting after the BABIP Gods decided to stop blessing him, was not an adequate 3B. Also, there's Bogaerts. He may be unproven, but his approach at the plate and top-notch tools allow one to reasonably predict better production than Iglesias right from the get-go.

 

Also, i see you missed the joke regarding the Nixon avatar. Think about it.

[sk7326]

Iggy swung a good bat in ST, and hit pretty well for a time until slacking in July--just like Pedroia slacked--by the way. They both hit about .100. He played mostly out of position at 3B. I figure he has a decent chance to be Detroit's regular SS of the future. They gave up a top OF prospect for him, so Dombrowski sees something--mostly defense, which Detroit needs badly with Miggy at 3b.

 

Ha. It's Miggy-Iggy on the left side for the Tigers. Nice contrast in offense-defense.

 

Difference was with Pedroia the July was the exception for what his track record indicates. With Iglesias, the good times were the notable exception. I am bearish on whether Iglesias really can hit or not - but Detroit can afford to carry him as an improvement over nothing at SS.

[mvp 78]

That said, I really do hope you're all right. It's just that the RS have not had a good record trading away SS's, each time getting rid of a competent one and replacing him with someone more expensive and not as good, hoping they could find the lightning in the bottle they found getting rid of Nomar.

@PeteAbe: Since 2004, Iglesias is the 9th shortstop the #RedSox have traded (Ciriaco, Aviles, Punto, Scutaro, Lowrie, Lugo, Renteria, Garciaparra).

Is anyone really lamenting the loss of any of these guys aside from Lowrie?

[User Name]

@PeteAbe: Since 2004, Iglesias is the 9th shortstop the #RedSox have traded (Ciriaco, Aviles, Punto, Scutaro, Lowrie, Lugo, Renteria, Garciaparra).

Is anyone really lamenting the loss of any of these guys aside from Lowrie?

 

Who has durability issues himself.

[mvp 78]

OCab was the only suitable replacement but he wore out his welcome in the clubhouse. Too bad.

 

Rent-a-wreck was horrible here. Lugo was Theo's man crush. Scutaro can't play SS anymore.

 

Alex Gonzalez has always been thought of in high regards, but the FO thought he'd never hit. He's the guy they should have kept in retrospect.

[sk7326]

@PeteAbe: Since 2004, Iglesias is the 9th shortstop the #RedSox have traded (Ciriaco, Aviles, Punto, Scutaro, Lowrie, Lugo, Renteria, Garciaparra).

Is anyone really lamenting the loss of any of these guys aside from Lowrie?

 

Of all of them Renteria was the overreaction - had an awful year, but was a clear outlier from career norms - did fine after leaving until career took gentle slide down

[sk7326]

OCab was the only suitable replacement but he wore out his welcome in the clubhouse. Too bad.

 

Rent-a-wreck was horrible here. Lugo was Theo's man crush. Scutaro can't play SS anymore.

 

Alex Gonzalez has always been thought of in high regards, but the FO thought he'd never hit. He's the guy they should have kept in retrospect.

 

He DID never hit ... and his range dipped. A .299 OBP undoes almost all of the benefit closing your eyes and hitting a ball over the fence occasionally provides.

[sk7326]

Holt gets the callup for now - per Alex Speier, that he could backup 2B was the factor for him winning out ... for now.

[italstallianion]

The average SS numbers this season have been so pathetic that Iglesias should have no problem fitting in with his defense.

[Behindenemylines]

@PeteAbe: Since 2004, Iglesias is the 9th shortstop the #RedSox have traded (Ciriaco, Aviles, Punto, Scutaro, Lowrie, Lugo, Renteria, Garciaparra).

Is anyone really lamenting the loss of any of these guys aside from Lowrie?

 

Lowrie has a great bat, but he can't stay on the field. I think when its all said done we will talking about Bogaerts the way we talked about Nomar.

[BornToRun]

Lowrie has a great bat, but he can't stay on the field. I think when its all said done we will talking about Bogaerts the way we talked about Nomar.

Minus the whole injury and clubhouse issues thing, right?

[sk7326]

Minus the whole injury and clubhouse issues thing, right?

 

definitely the former ... latter feels like stuff for talk radio.