Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[BSN07]

It BS, and more importantly it's boring reading, so stop.

 

There is the option to not read someones post or not respond if the reading material is not on par with your expectations.

 

Don't get butthurt when people who have been interacting with you for a long period of time recognize a trait and pattern in your personality/style. Be mad at yourself for becoming as predictable as guy like Jacko who had a chart made for him because his responses became so predictable.

[BSN07]

I don't chose to roll by telling other posters what they think or how they will think or react. You bring up Cherries and how we interpret what he will do. There is a big difference. Cherries is not engaged in discussion with us. If he were, I'd ask him what he thinks. He's not here, so we all speculate. I am right here to ask what I think. I share my thoughts freely, usually without anyone asking, but don't tell me what I think. My mind is far too complex to fathom by some internet posters on a message board.

 

We aren't saying you can't share your thoughts freely. We just are merely saying that when you do share them, it can be predictable in most situations.

[Dojji]

I think looking at John Lannan, along with the guys the Sox are already chasing, would put is in a fairly decent position. We'd need to count on certain players to bounce back and play at a high level again, but we'd be doing that anyway.

[wyo-sox]

I am having a really tough time being positive looking forward towards opening day. No matter how I look at it our current roster seems like a bad team to me. The reality is any moving general manager makes is a gamble. Just like good hitters strikeout 70 percent of the time I imagine most moves general managers make miss a large percentage of the time. If you have a great roster your misses don't seem so drastic. when rebuilding from a terrible roster your hits and misses are scrutinized and magnified by the fan base.

 

If the front office gambles on prospects then I the fan have at least 2 to 3 years to maybe see that gamble pay off. If the front office gambles on the free agent market this year I feel like it's a gamble with a much higher chance of losing, and if that gamble does lose I as a fan will have to wait 2 to 3 years to recover from that loss. And even if there is short term success from the free agent gamble this year I would doubt it is sustainable beyond 2 years.

 

so unfortunately as a fan I will still watch almost every game this upcoming season. But I have very little anticipation for a good season. Maybe I'm wrong and we will be surprised which would make for the most fun season. I guess will have to wait and watch them play games. I fear waiting for a productive hot stove will leave us frustrated as there are no clear cut gambles it seem to put the odds in our favor.

[a700hitter]

We aren't saying you can't share your thoughts freely. We just are merely saying that when you do share them, it can be predictable in most situations.

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[SoxSport]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/21167556/red-sox-is-targeting-a-trio-napoli-swisher-and-cody-ross

 

Heyman says the Sox are targeting all three: Napoli-Swisher-Ross.

 

Hard to believe they will get all three. Two would be an accomplishement.

 

Still think the biggest impact would be Hamilton, but getting all three above would have impact, too.

 

Hamilton may well be a fallback. Remember Cherington said they would be among the highest spenders this year. $60 million in cable money puts them in the top third in cable revenue. The 900 lb gorilla is the Dodgers (over $200 million), and they could buy everybody up if they want to. Most likely, they will buy Greinke and maybe one other frontline pitcher. Maybe Hamilton--you never know. But they need pitching, not hitting.

 

The Red Sox could make a run at Wilson for closer, but you wonder if the Dodgers won't scarf him up.

 

You want to know where the big FAs are going? Just follow the cable money. See my previous post on that.

[SoxFanForsyth]

According to Heyman, the Sox are targeting Napoli, Swisher, and Cody Ross, and look to be able to get all 3.

 

That'd be a crazy good clubhouse, and a very solid lineup, especially at home and especially against LHP.

 

I like these moves. It also seems that the Sox are almost certainly going to pursue pitching via the trade market, as they haven't targeted any free agent SP yet, at least not publicly.

[SoxFanForsyth]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/21167556/red-sox-is-targeting-a-trio-napoli-swisher-and-cody-ross

 

Heyman says the Sox are targeting all three: Napoli-Swisher-Ross.

 

Hard to believe they will get all three. Two would be an accomplishement.

 

Still think the biggest impact would be Hamilton, but getting all three above would have impact, too.

 

Hamilton may well be a fallback. Remember Cherington said they would be among the highest spenders this year. $60 million in cable money puts them in the top third in cable revenue. The 900 lb gorilla is the Dodgers (over $200 million), and they could buy everybody up if they want to. Most likely, they will buy Greinke and maybe one other frontline pitcher. Maybe Hamilton--you never know. But they need pitching, not hitting.

 

The Red Sox could make a run at Wilson for closer, but you wonder if the Dodgers won't scarf him up.

 

You want to know where the big FAs are going? Just follow the cable money. See my previous post on that.

 

I think the Sox get Wilson. He's a New England native, and that does play a role. Since he won't be ready for a few months into the season, Sox could let Bailey build value and then trade him when Wilson is ready.

 

Buster was saying that the Sox will be a major player in the Wilson sweepstakes since the Giants plan to non tender him.

[BSN07]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/21167556/red-sox-is-targeting-a-trio-napoli-swisher-and-cody-ross

 

Heyman says the Sox are targeting all three: Napoli-Swisher-Ross.

 

Hard to believe they will get all three. Two would be an accomplishement.

 

Still think the biggest impact would be Hamilton, but getting all three above would have impact, too.

 

Hamilton may well be a fallback. Remember Cherington said they would be among the highest spenders this year. $60 million in cable money puts them in the top third in cable revenue. The 900 lb gorilla is the Dodgers (over $200 million), and they could buy everybody up if they want to. Most likely, they will buy Greinke and maybe one other frontline pitcher. Maybe Hamilton--you never know. But they need pitching, not hitting.

 

The Red Sox could make a run at Wilson for closer, but you wonder if the Dodgers won't scarf him up.

 

You want to know where the big FAs are going? Just follow the cable money. See my previous post on that.

 

If the Sox do this they would be a match up nightmare. There so many different combinations of line ups depending on that days SP it's dizzying. It be an interesting mix of ball players that's light on Divas.

[SoxSport]

I'm going to re-post the fangraphs article on local cable revenue for the teams, because it's important in understanding where the top FAs are likely to go.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dodgers-send-shock-waves-through-local-tv-landscape/

 

Note that this money is local cable TV money, and is not shared like the network TV money is.

 

The top teams:

 

1.LA Dodgers --$240-280 million per yr, starting 2014

 

2. LA Angels--$147 million

 

3.Yankees--$90 million

 

4. Rangers--$80 million

 

4A. Astros--$80 million

 

5.Mets--$65 million

 

6.Padres--$60 million

 

6A. Red Sox--$60 million

 

The two LA teams have displaced the Yankees, thanks to their Fox contracts.

 

Next are the two Texas teams. The Astros are making a bundle but not spending it.

Will they surprise everybody and sign Hamilton?

 

The Mets are next, but their owner is hard-pressed financially due to the Madoff settlement.

 

The Red Sox and Padres are next. When will the Padres start spending?

 

The Astros and the Padres are cheap teams, yet their cable revenues are among the highest. Looks like the owners are pocketing the money in profits.

 

The two Chicago teams take in roughly $50 million/yr in local cable money. About the same estimated for the Giants in S.F.

 

Below these teams are the Mariners, Tigers and Phillies in the $45-35 million range. The Mariners at $45 million have more money than you think to spend. The Phillies and Tigers must be spending near their limits, though the Phillies will be getting a new TV deal soon.

 

The Cardinals, always a good team, are way down the list at $14 mil, but they have Busch beer money behind them.

 

The Marlins at $18 mil are surprisingly low, considering their spending spree last year. That tells you a lot about why they just dumped so much salary.

[SoxSport]

If the Sox do this they would be a match up nightmare. There so many different combinations of line ups depending on that days SP it's dizzying. It be an interesting mix of ball players that's light on Divas.

 

Could be their game plan.

[BSN07]

I'm going to re-post the fangraphs article on local cable revenue for the teams, because it's important in understanding where the top FAs are likely to go.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dodgers-send-shock-waves-through-local-tv-landscape/

 

Note that this money is local cable TV money, and is not shared like the network TV money is.

 

The top teams:

 

1.LA Dodgers --$240-280 million per yr, starting 2014

 

2. LA Angels--$147 million

 

3.Yankees--$90 million

 

4. Rangers--$80 million

 

4A. Astros--$80 million

 

5.Mets--$65 million

 

6.Padres--$60 million

 

6A. Red Sox--$60 million

 

The two LA teams have displaced the Yankees, thanks to their Fox contracts.

 

Next are the two Texas teams. The Astros are making a bundle but not spending it.

Will they surprise everybody and sign Hamilton?

 

The Mets are next, but their owner is hard-pressed financially due to the Madoff settlement.

 

The Red Sox and Padres are next. When will the Padres start spending?

 

The Astros and the Padres are cheap teams, yet their cable revenues are among the highest. Looks like the owners are pocketing the money in profits.

 

The two Chicago teams take in roughly $50 million/yr in local cable money. About the same estimated for the Giants in S.F.

 

Below these teams are the Mariners, Tigers and Phillies in the $45-35 million range. The Mariners at $45 million have more money than you think to spend. The Phillies and Tigers must be spending near their limits, though the Phillies will be getting a new TV deal soon.

 

The Cardinals, always a good team, are way down the list at $14 mil, but they have Busch beer money behind them.

 

The Marlins at $18 mil are surprisingly low, considering their spending spree last year. That tells you a lot about why they just dumped so much salary.

 

Interesting read. I also believe the Mariners and even maybe the Phillies are expected to get new deals in the next couple years.

 

The Mariners have way more flexibility then people seem to believe. I think they are a dark horse for Hamilton and will sign Ellsbury next off season for big money.

 

The financial landscape in the game is changing.

[TrueFax]

Dallas Braden is coming off of some kind of surgery. I think it was to his shoulder? We should take a flyer on him if he's willing to accept an invite to Spring Training.

[example1]

I don't chose to roll by telling other posters what they think or how they will think or react. You bring up Cherries and how we interpret what he will do. There is a big difference. Cherries is not engaged in discussion with us. If he were, I'd ask him what he thinks. He's not here, so we all speculate. I am right here to ask what I think. I share my thoughts freely, usually without anyone asking, but don't tell me what I think. My mind is far too complex to fathom by some internet posters on a message board.

 

This is silly. You are justified in baselessly interpreting Cherington because he doesn't post here and you can't read his actual thoughts. Meanwhile, others are completely out of line for interpreting your thoughts--despite your constant posting of them in a public forum.

 

I would say if you don't want people to interpret what you think, stop posting your thoughts so often. It inclines others to think they know your actual thoughts. Or, maybe people interpret your thoughts in a way that you find unflattering because they interpret you as rude, dismissive, abrupt or overly self-confident. Who knows?

 

Of course, I wouldn't want to interpret the motives of others so I'm not saying that is true... I like you and appreciate your posts. I don't appreciate your constant attempts to limit the ability of others to interpret and respond to your thinking.

[SCM33]

Okay. Theoretically, let's say Cherington did go out and sign two pitchers with a combined age of 77, like the Yankees just did. What would your reaction be then?

 

I'll tell you what it would be. The exact same ******** you're spewing now. Why is Cherries dicking around with two pitchers with a combined age almost as high as mine when he could be out there doing something useful?? This guy is totally inept. Can't wait until the Red Sox finally fire this guy. Disgusting.

 

^That's you.

 

I don't even know why I come here.

 

Just block a700 and Fred.

 

Its much more enjoyable around here with them blocked.

 

Fred is a clown.....hes been a fan of every single Major League Baseball baseball team during his tenure here. One of the biggest phony Sox fans I've seen on this board.

[a700hitter]

This is silly. You are justified in baselessly interpreting Cherington because he doesn't post here and you can't read his actual thoughts. Meanwhile, others are completely out of line for interpreting your thoughts--despite your constant posting of them in a public forum.

 

I would say if you don't want people to interpret what you think, stop posting your thoughts so often. It inclines others to think they know your actual thoughts. Or, maybe people interpret your thoughts in a way that you find unflattering because they interpret you as rude, dismissive, abrupt or overly self-confident. Who knows?

 

Of course, I wouldn't want to interpret the motives of others so I'm not saying that is true... I like you and appreciate your posts. I don't appreciate your constant attempts to limit the ability of others to interpret and respond to your thinking.

People should busy themselves with interpreting what is written. Projecting what someone else will think in a hypothetical situation is just stupid, especially when I am right here to tell you what I think. Goodness, you are dense today. I am tired of you running written words through your warped filter.

[a700hitter]

Just block a700 and Fred.

 

Its much more enjoyable around here with them blocked.

 

Fred is a clown.....hes been a fan of every single Major League Baseball baseball team during his tenure here. One of the biggest phony Sox fans I've seen on this board.

I am good with this ^. The last thing any of us needs is an unreasonable State Trooper riding around with a chip on his shoulder because of something Fred or I said.

[a700hitter]

There is the option to not read someones post or not respond if the reading material is not on par with your expectations.

 

Don't get butthurt when people who have been interacting with you for a long period of time recognize a trait and pattern in your personality/style. Be mad at yourself for becoming as predictable as guy like Jacko who had a chart made for him because his responses became so predictable.

I wouldn't mind if you occasionally got something right.

[rjortiz]

Dallas Braden is coming off of some kind of surgery. I think it was to his shoulder? We should take a flyer on him if he's willing to accept an invite to Spring Training.

 

I like it. I would have liked them to be on Scott Feldman, but he signed with Cubs. I bet $5 million would get a deal done.

[BSN07]

I wouldn't mind if you occasionally got something right.

 

You're more predictable then Jacko and his chart. But this is as far as I take it. I'm not getting drug into one of your spats. That broken record is as you said "boring".

[a700hitter]

You're more predictable then Jacko and his chart. But this is as far as I take it. I'm not getting drug into one of your spats. That broken record is as you said "boring".

And you'll disappear by June if the team sucks again. Like you said, predictable.

[Laser Show]

Zach Stewart sent to Pittsburgh for a PTBNL.

 

Stewart came to Boston from the White Sox in the Youk deal.

[seabeachfred]

Seabeachfred said the following in a post above-The Yankees are signing players that will help them while we are doing practically nothing. Get it? Some here do. Cherington has enormous trouble pulling the trigger on just about every deal and with December almost upon we have done little to improve ourselves after being totally embarrassed and humiliated this season.

 

I can understand your frustration but in reality, what team besides the tigers signing of torii hunter and the yankees resigning their guys has really done anything? Nobody. Besides, who knows what you will get out of Pettitte and Hunter due to their old age and Kuroda could have a bad year just like anybody else. It is easy to just sit there and criticize when we honestly have no background information as to what is going on behind the scenes. We must wait until the Winter Meetings is over in order to have a better idea of where the Sox stand and what they intend to do

 

That's very fair SJ93. I am going by Cherington's past performances and he has a reputation of being very slow on the draw, and very hesitant to make a move. He has said that himself. I keep being told by friends like EX1 to lay off Ben and give him a chance and by others to wait.....wait for the Winter Meetings, wait for the first of the year, wait, wait and wait some more. Two problems with that. One problem is ME. We cannot afford to wait coming off such a disastrous season. We need to make moves, either to get up to speed for 2013, or admit that we need to rebuild and go that direction. Problem No. 2 is that no matter how much Cherington dithers and stumbles and proves himself too crippled to make a move, his supporters will defend him against all evidence to the contrary.

 

Now who do I hope is right? Hint.....not me but I'm starting to worry that I may be.

[Elktonnick]

Just block a700 and Fred.

 

Its much more enjoyable around here with them blocked.

 

Fred is a clown.....hes been a fan of every single Major League Baseball baseball team during his tenure here. One of the biggest phony Sox fans I've seen on this board.

 

You are certainly free to block anyone you wish but Fred is a baseball fan who is passionate in his opinions. One can disagree with his opinion and the way he presents them, but when it comes to baseball and talent his opinions have merit. Not that it is important but Fred has been a die hard Red Sox fan since I started discussing baseball with him on the old BDC site around 04.

[seabeachfred]

The Red Sox are not going to be contending this season no matter what Cherington does. If September rolls around and they are in contention, it's either a miracle, or Cherington did something extremely short-sighted that will come back to haunt this team down the line (like opening up the checkbook for Josh Hamilton, or emptying the farm for some quick fix guy that won't be worth it).

 

So, I'm not too concerned about the arms race for next season, because I have no expectations for next season.

 

If you are right then it is time to throw off the mask and rebuild---and one way is to make that trade with KC if such thing is even a possibility. I also agree with you that Hamilton is a no-go....too much money and too many problems. The problem is that too many people think the AL East is going to be wide open next season, and we also keep hearing if only Lester and Buchholz could pitch like Nos. 1 and 2 starters we could be in the money, and you know what? I think this is Lucchino's thinking too. As fan from my vantage point I really don't think the front office really knows which way to turn and until they embark upon a definite program of either rebuilding or reloading we will be caught in a revolving door with no way to get out.

[BSN07]

And you'll disappear by June if the team sucks again. Like you said, predictable.

 

I disappear in June usually because I coach two teams and am in charge of a baseball program now at our club. I also work with the Netherlands National and junior National teams. And that doesn't even include my day job. Summer happens to be a real busy time for me. So my deepest apologies if I can't be around for your belly aching all the time.

[seabeachfred]

Just block a700 and Fred.

 

Its much more enjoyable around here with them blocked.

 

Fred is a clown.....hes been a fan of every single Major League Baseball baseball team during his tenure here. One of the biggest phony Sox fans I've seen on this board.

 

Since you blocked me perhaps someone else will let you know what I think of your idiotic ******** post. If you weren't such a simple minded naive dweeb you might have seen what went on here a few years ago as nothing more than a couple of jerks who I failed in my classes trying to retaliate by saying I was this fan and that fan and had no team. How stupid you had to be to swallow that crap hook line and sinker but when you're simple minded you will fall for almost anything.

 

This is the first time in years that I have actually attacked a fellow poster but your pathetic missive against me begs for a retaliatory response. And one thing you would understand if you weren't do deficient in independent thought. I might be some things but until you referred to me as a phony it was the first time anyone ever used that term against me. I've been called other things but anyone who knows me knows that Sea Beach Fred and the worst phony is an oxymoron at its best.....or worst.

[BSN07]

Just some minor trades,

 

The A's acquired right-hander Sandy Rosario from the Red Sox for a player to be named later or cash considerations, the teams announced

 

The Orioles have acquired infielder Danny Valencia from the Red Sox for cash considerations, the teams announced.

[a700hitter]

I disappear in June usually because I coach two teams and am in charge of a baseball program now at our club. I also work with the Netherlands National and junior National teams. And that doesn't even include my day job. Summer happens to be a real busy time for me. So my deepest apologies if I can't be around for your belly aching all the time.

Oh, is it my turn to piss now?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Yup, it's definitely the offseason, bring out those fighting gloves.