Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[Palodios]

John Lannan will also be nontendered. Can't figure that one out.

[seabeachfred]

The Yankees are about to ink Andy Pettitte; have already signed Kuroda while all we've done is sign a reserve catcher and an outfielder who is a b utcher in the field, can't hit righties and is inferior to the player we could have resigned but didn't. In other words, another totally wasted day. Cherington likes to move around and act like he is doing things but he gets nothing done. After the Red Sox finally fire this guy he will never ever sniff another GM job. To me the guy is totally inept; sorry for you Cherington lovers but this guy proves himself a total dud with each passing day. Disgusting.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The Yankees are about to ink Andy Pettitte; have already signed Kuroda while all we've done is sign a reserve catcher and an outfielder who is a b utcher in the field, can't hit righties and is inferior to the player we could have resigned but didn't. In other words, another totally wasted day. Cherington likes to move around and act like he is doing things but he gets nothing done. After the Red Sox finally fire this guy he will never ever sniff another GM job. To me the guy is totally inept; sorry for you Cherington lovers but this guy proves himself a total dud with each passing day. Disgusting.

Okay. Theoretically, let's say Cherington did go out and sign two pitchers with a combined age of 77, like the Yankees just did. What would your reaction be then?

 

I'll tell you what it would be. The exact same ******** you're spewing now. Why is Cherries dicking around with two pitchers with a combined age almost as high as mine when he could be out there doing something useful?? This guy is totally inept. Can't wait until the Red Sox finally fire this guy. Disgusting.

 

^That's you.

 

I don't even know why I come here.

[Spitball]

John Lannan will also be nontendered. Can't figure that one out.

 

When a guy walks batters at a rate of 3.9 per 9 and strikes out batters at only 4.7 per 9, you have to say the guy has to go far, far away.

[Palodios]

When a guy walks batters at a rate of 3.9 per 9 and strikes out batters at only 4.7 per 9, you have to say the guy has to go far, far away.

 

He does have a 4.00 career ERA, at a healthy 28.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees are about to ink Andy Pettitte; have already signed Kuroda while all we've done is sign a reserve catcher and an outfielder who is a b utcher in the field, can't hit righties and is inferior to the player we could have resigned but didn't. In other words, another totally wasted day. Cherington likes to move around and act like he is doing things but he gets nothing done. After the Red Sox finally fire this guy he will never ever sniff another GM job. To me the guy is totally inept; sorry for you Cherington lovers but this guy proves himself a total dud with each passing day. Disgusting.

It seems that he can never pull the trigger on moves. I don't get it. I keep hoping that he will prove my suspicions to be unfounded. We are getting really close to the day (12/1) when tickets go on sale. I am still hopeful that there will be signs of life before then, but it seems like nothing is in the final stages. Maybe Napoli will sign this week.

[Palodios]

Napoli saw the Rangers today. They must not be very high on him if they didn't offer him arbitration. I'd bet that he wants to stay there, and needed them to tell him he isn't part of their long term plans before he would sign elsewhere.

[seabeachfred]

Okay. Theoretically, let's say Cherington did go out and sign two pitchers with a combined age of 77, like the Yankees just did. What would your reaction be then?

 

I'll tell you what it would be. The exact same ******** you're spewing now. Why is Cherries dicking around with two pitchers with a combined age almost as high as mine when he could be out there doing something useful?? This guy is totally inept. Can't wait until the Red Sox finally fire this guy. Disgusting.

 

^That's you.

 

I don't even know why I come here.

 

You know Ellsbury, it you could think intuitively you might be able to understand what I was saying, but since you have trouble doing so let me put some new colors in your paint box. Signing pitchers wasn't the point; signing ballplayers WAS the point. The Yankees are signing players that will help them while we are doing practically nothing. Get it? Some here do. Cherington has enormous trouble pulling the trigger on just about every deal and with December almost upon we have done little to improve ourselves after being totally embarrassed and humiliated this season.

 

We need a first baseman. We don' have one.. We need at least one starting pitcher, maybe two. We haven't gotten them. We need at least one solid outfielder. We don't have him. We may need a shortstop unless we want to play what co uld be the weakest hitter in baseball.....and we haven't gotten one. As far as coming here, you come to be entertained, to learn and exchange views without getting personal. So please don't tell me that you are satisfied with what we've done so far. I don't know but I give you more credit for having smarts than believing you think we are doing a bang-up job so far this fall.

[RedSoxNC84]

I feel like something is going to get done at the meetings coming up, at least I'm hoping..

 

I think it's going to be the Napoli signing and the trade with KC though. Maybe not much else.

 

More offense, as usual

[SeanJohn93]

I am still interested to see if the Sox will go after a guy like Shaun Marcum he would be an intriguing option to add depth to the rotation when I am not sold on whether Lackey will return to form because of TJ surgery ie. Dice K. Also, I am still skeptical about Felix Doubront and whether he will truly make the next step in the coming season

[a700hitter]

You know Ellsbury, it you could think intuitively you might be able to understand what I was saying, but since you have trouble doing so let me put some new colors in your paint box. Signing pitchers wasn't the point; signing ballplayers WAS the point. The Yankees are signing players that will help them while we are doing practically nothing. Get it? Some here do. Cherington has enormous trouble pulling the trigger on just about every deal and with December almost upon we have done little to improve ourselves after being totally embarrassed and humiliated this season.

 

We need a first baseman. We don' have one.. We need at least one starting pitcher, maybe two. We haven't gotten them. We need at least one solid outfielder. We don't have him. We may need a shortstop unless we want to play what co uld be the weakest hitter in baseball.....and we haven't gotten one. As far as coming here, you come to be entertained, to learn and exchange views without getting personal. So please don't tell me that you are satisfied with what we've done so far. I don't know but I give you more credit for having smarts than believing you think we are doing a bang-up job so far this fall.

There's a lot of work that needs to be done just to make the 2013 team respectable. We are almost in December as you have noted. I don't see Cherries as the type to make several moves in a short period. He needs 2 starters, an outfielder, a first baseman, and a bullpen arm. He doesn't have the luxury of time to wait 2 weeks between each move.

[SeanJohn93]

Seabeachfred said the following in a post above-The Yankees are signing players that will help them while we are doing practically nothing. Get it? Some here do. Cherington has enormous trouble pulling the trigger on just about every deal and with December almost upon we have done little to improve ourselves after being totally embarrassed and humiliated this season.

 

I can understand your frustration but in reality, what team besides the tigers signing of torii hunter and the yankees resigning their guys has really done anything? Nobody. Besides, who knows what you will get out of Pettitte and Hunter due to their old age and Kuroda could have a bad year just like anybody else. It is easy to just sit there and criticize when we honestly have no background information as to what is going on behind the scenes. We must wait until the Winter Meetings is over in order to have a better idea of where the Sox stand and what they intend to do

[SeanJohn93]

sorry I don't know how to quote

[RedSoxNC84]

sorry I don't know how to quote

 

There is a button that says quote at the bottom right of their post

[a700hitter]

What do you guys think of mark Reynolds at first base? He'd be much cheaper than Napoli, but he has much more power.

[SeanJohn93]

thanks redsoxnc84

[RedSoxNC84]

What do you guys think of mark Reynolds at first base? He'd be much cheaper than Napoli, but he has much more power.

 

Not a terrible idea. He's lowered his strikeout totals quite a bit over the last couple years, but his average has dipped too.

[RedSoxNC84]

If we could get 2009 Mark Reynolds that'd be great.

[SeanJohn93]

The bad thing about reynolds is that he reminds me of a better version of wily mo pena he either crushes the ball and strikes out also like Adam Dunn

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

You know Ellsbury, it you could think intuitively you might be able to understand what I was saying, but since you have trouble doing so let me put some new colors in your paint box. Signing pitchers wasn't the point; signing ballplayers WAS the point. The Yankees are signing players that will help them while we are doing practically nothing. Get it? Some here do. Cherington has enormous trouble pulling the trigger on just about every deal and with December almost upon we have done little to improve ourselves after being totally embarrassed and humiliated this season.

 

We need a first baseman. We don' have one.. We need at least one starting pitcher, maybe two. We haven't gotten them. We need at least one solid outfielder. We don't have him. We may need a shortstop unless we want to play what co uld be the weakest hitter in baseball.....and we haven't gotten one. As far as coming here, you come to be entertained, to learn and exchange views without getting personal. So please don't tell me that you are satisfied with what we've done so far. I don't know but I give you more credit for having smarts than believing you think we are doing a bang-up job so far this fall.

The Red Sox are not going to be contending this season no matter what Cherington does. If September rolls around and they are in contention, it's either a miracle, or Cherington did something extremely short-sighted that will come back to haunt this team down the line (like opening up the checkbook for Josh Hamilton, or emptying the farm for some quick fix guy that won't be worth it).

 

So, I'm not too concerned about the arms race for next season, because I have no expectations for next season.

[BSN07]

John Lannan will also be nontendered. Can't figure that one out.

The Nats just don't have a spot for him and apparently couldn't find a deal because teams were expecting them to cut him anyways.

Okay. Theoretically, let's say Cherington did go out and sign two pitchers with a combined age of 77, like the Yankees just did. What would your reaction be then?

lol

I'll tell you what it would be. The exact same ******** you're spewing now. Why is Cherries dicking around with two pitchers with a combined age almost as high as mine when he could be out there doing something useful?? This guy is totally inept. Can't wait until the Red Sox finally fire this guy. Disgusting.

 

^That's you.

 

I don't even know why I come here.

lol

 

Seabeachfred said the following in a post above-The Yankees are signing players that will help them while we are doing practically nothing. Get it? Some here do. Cherington has enormous trouble pulling the trigger on just about every deal and with December almost upon we have done little to improve ourselves after being totally embarrassed and humiliated this season.

 

I can understand your frustration but in reality, what team besides the tigers signing of torii hunter and the yankees resigning their guys has really done anything? Nobody. Besides, who knows what you will get out of Pettitte and Hunter due to their old age and Kuroda could have a bad year just like anybody else. It is easy to just sit there and criticize when we honestly have no background information as to what is going on behind the scenes. We must wait until the Winter Meetings is over in order to have a better idea of where the Sox stand and what they intend to do

A reasonable look at the current situation on Nov. 27th.

What do you guys think of mark Reynolds at first base? He'd be much cheaper than Napoli, but he has much more power.

 

He's an interesting option. But I give it the month of April before you and the elder statesmen crowd start killing Cherries for bringing in the K machine that is Mark Reynolds.

 

I do however like the idea of picking up JJ from Atlanta. He's had some injury issues, but he's still young with good stuff and in the hands of some different coaches could break through. I would anticipate him being a major member of the pitching staff this season and anything he provided this season would be a plus.

[TrueFax]

It may not be sexy to have a General Manager that is going to very methodical and deliberate with his approach to assembling a roster, but it is something that plays out to Boston’s advantage even if it is does preclude us from signing the Kurodas and Hunters of the world.

 

While the Red Sox have a lot of resources and should use their resources, it's equally important to use those resources responsibly. The failures of the last off-season taught us that when contracts to Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, John Lackey, Josh Beckett, and others forced our hand in dumping Scutaro's salary to free up enough space to sign Cody Ross. As many of you have stated, it would have been nice to have both Scutaro and Ross. Unfortunately, that wasn't a possibility. I conclude that because of the date of the trade and signing, along with the return from the trade. In an off-season where we may have more money available to us than any other team, we can avoid trading off our shortstop to acquire our outfielder or vice versa.

 

We went from playing like the best team in the league during some parts of 2011 to being among one of the worst teams in the league in 2012. If this franchise has any interest in reestablishing itself, then it cannot afford to have a myopic General Manager at the wheel. Cherington's passivity is a plus in this instance. He understands that signing every good free agent this off-season may improve this team for 2013, but it will most definitely mean compromising ourselves in the future as well.

 

When we are evaluating whether or not the Red Sox should sign somebody, we need to ask ourselves whether or not we will actually be getting maximum performance from the player when we need it most. I hate to say it, but I don't see any of the star free agents being worth the money we'll have to shell out to sign them when we are playing meaningful baseball again.

 

Sage advice, be patient; pray for the future. The present isn't going to bring any fruit worth harvesting.

[a700hitter]

He's an interesting option. But I give it the month of April before you and the elder statesmen crowd start killing Cherries for bringing in the K machine that is Mark Reynolds.

Knock it off with the mind reading. You are not a psychic.

[a700hitter]

It may not be sexy to have a General Manager that is going to very methodical and deliberate with his approach to assembling a roster, but it is something that plays out to Boston’s advantage even if it is does preclude us from signing the Kurodas and Hunters of the world.

 

While the Red Sox have a lot of resources and should use their resources, it's equally important to use those resources responsibly. The failures of the last off-season taught us that when contracts to Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, John Lackey, Josh Beckett, and others forced our hand in dumping Scutaro's salary to free up enough space to sign Cody Ross. As many of you have stated, it would have been nice to have both Scutaro and Ross. Unfortunately, that wasn't a possibility. I conclude that because of the date of the trade and signing, along with the return from the trade. In an off-season where we may have more money available to us than any other team, we can avoid trading off our shortstop to acquire our outfielder or vice versa.

 

We went from playing like the best team in the league during some parts of 2011 to being among one of the worst teams in the league in 2012. If this franchise has any interest in reestablishing itself, then it cannot afford to have a myopic General Manager at the wheel. Cherington's passivity is a plus in this instance. He understands that signing every good free agent this off-season may improve this team for 2013, but it will most definitely mean compromising ourselves in the future as well.

 

When we are evaluating whether or not the Red Sox should sign somebody, we need to ask ourselves whether or not we will actually be getting maximum performance from the player when we need it most. I hate to say it, but I don't see any of the star free agents being worth the money we'll have to shell out to sign them when we are playing meaningful baseball again.

 

Sage advice, be patient; pray for the future. The present isn't going to bring any fruit worth harvesting.

The other possibility is that he is just a lousy GM. The jury is out on his performance, because we are still waiting for him to do something. He has done nothing yet to improve this team in the short term or long term.

[a700hitter]

Not a terrible idea. He's lowered his strikeout totals quite a bit over the last couple years, but his average has dipped too.

Napoli's average is not very high either. I am not sure that the difference in price tags is justified if Napoli is going to be the primary first baseman.

[BSN07]

Knock it off with the mind reading. You are not a psychic.

 

Not mind reading. Just going off past experience/date and projecting forward to the most likely outcome. Something everyone does here when discussing ball players. I just applied the same thought process to the personalities of talksox.

[BSN07]

Napoli's average is not very high either. I am not sure that the difference in price tags is justified if Napoli is going to be the primary first baseman.

 

I'm not against Reynolds on a one year deal over Napoli on a multi year deal. It's just everyone better be ready to accept what he is. He would hit a lot of HR playing at Fenway, but he's going to strike out 150-200 times a year.

[example1]

Knock it off with the mind reading. You are not a psychic.

 

C'mon a700, don't take things so personally!

 

Seriously, though, you guys offer interpretations about what "Cherries" is going to do all the time, invluding presumptions of action/inaction that only a psychic would know.

 

He's right, you reserve the right to criticize a move in retrospect, even if it is a move you once advocated. There's nothing wrong with it, but what it means is that virtually ANY move that doesn't work well you will be vocally critical of. It is predictable, but not necessarily bad. It's how you choose to roll.

[a700hitter]

C'mon a700, don't take things so personally!

 

Seriously, though, you guys offer interpretations about what "Cherries" is going to do all the time, invluding presumptions of action/inaction that only a psychic would know.

 

He's right, you reserve the right to criticize a move in retrospect, even if it is a move you once advocated. There's nothing wrong with it, but what it means is that virtually ANY move that doesn't work well you will be vocally critical of. It is predictable, but not necessarily bad. It's how you choose to roll.

It BS, and more importantly it's boring reading, so stop.

[a700hitter]

C'mon a700, don't take things so personally!

 

Seriously, though, you guys offer interpretations about what "Cherries" is going to do all the time, invluding presumptions of action/inaction that only a psychic would know.

 

He's right, you reserve the right to criticize a move in retrospect, even if it is a move you once advocated. There's nothing wrong with it, but what it means is that virtually ANY move that doesn't work well you will be vocally critical of. It is predictable, but not necessarily bad. It's how you choose to roll.

I don't chose to roll by telling other posters what they think or how they will think or react. You bring up Cherries and how we interpret what he will do. There is a big difference. Cherries is not engaged in discussion with us. If he were, I'd ask him what he thinks. He's not here, so we all speculate. I am right here to ask what I think. I share my thoughts freely, usually without anyone asking, but don't tell me what I think. My mind is far too complex to fathom by some internet posters on a message board.