Weird question about fandom from a first time poster

[a700hitter]

Brady is Football's Derek Jeter-- over-exposed, adored and revered by the press, and over rated.

[BornToRun]

Brady is Football's Derek Jeter-- over-exposed' date=' adored and revered by the press, and over rated.[/quote']

 

Oh my god you did not just say that.

[a700hitter]

Oh my god you did not just say that.

An evil spirit must have invaded my keyboard. I don't think that was me.

[BornToRun]

You're a homer here, sorry. The Patriots also won 11 games without him all year the next season. Brady didn't slaughter the books, Manning's best year was still better by miles than last year, and the undefeated season by a small amount. He had a year where he made Brandon Stokley a 1,000 yard receiver, and he is the only quarterback who has as much playcalling freedom as he has. Peyton Manning is the best, probably ever. Even when Brady won the unanimous MVP, Manning had almost 1,000 more yards, and 3 less TDs. His offense is junk without him, see last year, where they won 2 games without him. If you ever had a question of whether Manning was the most valuable player in the NFL, last year that question should have been answered.

 

Brady has always had 2-3 elite receiving options since becoming a truly elite QB productionwise.

 

Everything about the Colts was awful last year. They wouldn't have been that great even if they had manning. That team is a joke. We won 11 games without Tom because we had a top 5 defense and an offense that had grade a talent and a competent back up QB. We won 5 les games and missed the playoffs. Tom's healthy and that doesn't happen.

[Emmz]

Everything about the Colts was awful last year. They wouldn't have been that great even if they had manning. That team is a joke. We won 11 games without Tom because we had a top 5 defense and an offense that had grade a talent and a competent back up QB. We won 5 les games and missed the playoffs. Tom's healthy and that doesn't happen.

 

No, Peyton Manning RUNS THE OFFENSE. He is the primary play caller for the Colts since his rookie season. His value is not even quantifiable, because he does things that don't show up on stat sheets. Brady does what BB tells him to. He has a better offense and a comfy offensive line on a yearly basis.

 

I agree with your Sox optimism, but take off the rose-colored glasses. Brady is a step down from Manning.

 

To everyone saying he was elite before 2007, then that's your opinion. He was significantly better after getting Welker, Moss and Stallworth (who wasn't elite, but above-average at the time).

[Youk Of The Nation]

Oh my god you did not just say that.

 

Fitting, though, since the Patriots are the Yankees of the NFL. You could make an argument for the Cowboys, though.

[a700hitter]

Fitting' date=' though, since the Patriots are the Yankees of the NFL. You could make an argument for the Cowboys, though.[/quote']Did you hack my account to make that awful comparison between Brady and Captain Intangibles?

[Emmz]

Oh my god you did not just say that.

 

He is the Jeet of football. His fanbase thinks he's the best, everyone else chuckles, agrees he's a first-ballot hall of famer, and just sort of is surprised anyone could think that.

[a700hitter]

He is the Jeet of football. His fanbase thinks he's the best' date=' everyone else chuckles, agrees he's a first-ballot hall of famer, and just sort of is surprised anyone could think that.[/quote']Heads will be exploding all over New England with regard to this comparison.

[BornToRun]

He is the Jeet of football. His fanbase thinks he's the best' date=' everyone else chuckles, agrees he's a first-ballot hall of famer, and just sort of is surprised anyone could think that.[/quote']

 

I'm just gonna go throw up or something. I'm not sure how to react here.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Did you hack my account to make that awful comparison between Brady and Captain Intangibles?

 

The cool thing is you could replace Brady with Jeter in that sentence, keep Captain Intangibles, and it would be the same thing.

 

And no, only YesZir knows everyone's passwords, which is good because if I had access, jacko would constantly be posting about his fanatical desire to become San Francisco's foremost proctologist and Emmz would spend every waking hour online posting about how phenomenally charming and hilarious I am.

 

Also, CD would probably sign every post with "I don't know. YOTN, what do you think? I need your guidance and I desperately require your intellect to formulate my opinion."

 

Anyways, like I said. It's good that I am not all-powerful.

[Bellhorn04]

If Brady is the Jeter of football, Peyton Manning might be the A-Rod. Gaudy numbers, surprising letdowns in big games, one ring.

[BornToRun]

If Brady is the Jeter of football' date=' Peyton Manning might be the A-Rod. Gaudy numbers, surprising letdowns in big games, one ring.[/quote']

 

I've come to the conclusion that most people hate Brady for a few basic reasons:

 

He's awesome at football

 

He's rich

 

He wins..... A lot

 

He's married to a Brazilian supermodel

 

Said supermodel makes more money than he does

 

Tom has at one point or another completely demolished whatever team the hater roots for.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I've come to the conclusion that most people hate Brady for a few basic reasons:

 

He's awesome at football

 

He's rich

 

He wins..... A lot

 

He's married to a Brazilian supermodel

 

Said supermodel makes more money than he does

 

Tom has at one point or another completely demolished whatever team the hater roots for.

 

Derek Jeter is good at baseball

 

He's rich

 

He dates various rich, beautiful women, many who make more money than he does

 

He has beaten the Red Sox plenty of times throughout his career.

 

 

So why aren't you slavishly defending Jeter whenever someone slanders him on TalkSox?

 

Because he plays on a team you don't like.

 

Hating Tom Brady gives the rest of us a perspective you lack. We can agree that he is a great quarterback without insisting that he's better than Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, and Peyton Manning all put together.

 

As for the hatred, I hate Tom Brady for the same reason I hate Derek Jeter, Peyton Manning, Dane Cook, Johnny Depp, Ronald Reagan, and George Lucas. Not because they aren't talented (except for Cook), because in their respective fields, they were/are all extremely talented. I hate them because of the way their most fanatical devotees act. They act like nothing these guys have done has ever been less than 100% perfect. Derek Jeter has been a mediocre defensive player for the better part of the last 6 or 7 years. Tom Brady has the advantage of a combination of excellent supporting players and a period in time where getting anywhere near the quarterback without patting him on the back and handing him a sternly worded letter requesting that he lie down on the ground as if he had been tackled gets you fined eleventy billion dollars. Ditto Peyton, but with less supporting players. Johnny Depp has played basically the same character in ten movies and has a near-diefication status among girls between the ages of their first period and their first divorce. Ronald Reagan is the conservative equivalent of Kennedy, the go-to guy for let's-do-what-he-would-do for the GOP. George Lucas can fart out Jar-Jar Binks and that infuriatingly obnoxious cardboard cutout Hayden Christensen and make 80 billion dollars from it. They are all indisputably talented, but attempting to point out a single flaw in any of their personalities or performances results in not a reasoned rebuttal, but an accusation that we are jealous of their success. THAT is why we hate Tom Brady. Frank Catalanatto was a two-bit player for the Jays and Rangers a few years ago, but every time he played the Sox he turned into Ted friggin Williams. I don't hate him because Frank Catalanatto doesn't have the army of drunken idiots and people who know little-to-nothing beyond "The Patriots/Yankees win more than other teams" constantly ready to eviscerate you for daring to suggest that there might be someone better.

 

PS: I have dated some extremely attractive women in my time. Including very recently. I may not be able to hook up with whoever Jeter gets, but I can do okay. I don't need to hate Jeter or Brady for who they date. I have plenty of other, more legitimate reasons to despise them.

[mvp 78]

QB wins 3 Superbowls and isn't elite until years later? Got it.

[Cocos Disciples]

Also, CD would probably sign every post with "I don't know. YOTN, what do you think? I need your guidance and I desperately require your intellect to formulate my opinion."

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I would say this is true, but I just don't know.

[seabeachfred]

I was born and raised in Los Angeles and since I was a little boy, I've only followed one professional sports team - the Boston Red Sox. I went to two baseball games at the L.A. Coliseum - the second All Star game in 1959 and the exhibition game between the Dodgers and Red Sox in 2008. I grew up in the shadow of Dodger Stadium and the only games I attended there were when the Angels played the Red Sox during the 1962-1965 seasons and the Red Sox-Dodgers interleague series in 2002.

 

I HATE football, basketball, hockey, soccer, rugby, 43-man Squamish, the Olympics, badminton and any other sport you can think of. So there.

 

You go back a long way BOSOX11 and sound like you might close to your 60's which puts you within striking distance of my 71. I do wonder how you became a Red Sox fan? You apparently didn't see them very often and there had to be a seminal moment when it all came together. Sounds like it could a lot like my own epiphony back in 2000 but I was reaching 60 that year and has gone over four decades without a real team to root for.

 

Was it the All Star Game or one of those Angels-Red Sox games in the early 60's? They were a gosh awful terrible team back them and it must have taken a lot of love to hitch yourself to that sad aggregation. I came on a season and a half before they became a dominant team in baseball, though it was Fenway Park and the fans that reminded me so much of young years in Queens when I was a little fanatical Brooklyn Dodgers fan.

 

I live in Arcadia so I am a Los Angeleno who also wants nothing to do with the Angels or Dodgers. I leave that up to my wife.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I would say this is true' date=' but I just don't know.[/quote']

 

I suggest you agree.

[a700hitter]

 

Hating Tom Brady gives the rest of us a perspective you lack. We can agree that he is a great quarterback without insisting that he's better than Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, and Peyton Manning all put together.

 

Unitas would have stared at Brady and after he stammered and pissed himself, he would have passed out. Comparing that girlie man to Johnny U is laughable.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not a Pats fan but trying to discredit Brady's record is absurd.

 

Reg season 124-35

Postseason 16-6

5 AFC titles, 3 Super Bowls

 

WTF do you want...

[a700hitter]

I'm not a Pats fan but trying to discredit Brady's record is absurd.

 

Reg season 124-35

Postseason 16-6

5 AFC titles, 3 Super Bowls

 

WTF do you want...

I don't think a single poster has tried to discredit his record... not a single one.

[SemperFi Sox]

I think we can all agree he's one sexy mofo.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think a single poster has tried to discredit his record... not a single one.

 

I get too fired up about this stuff sometimes, especially when numbers are involved.

 

My alltime favorite quarterback was Joe Montana. I'm not saying he was the best, he probably wasn't-top 10 I would have to say. The thing about Montana was he was so pretty to watch, the smooth fakes, the rollouts, the pinpoint passes. And he was a clutch performer. I think Super Bowl rings or NFL titles has to be a big part of how QB's are rated. I didn't like Terry Bradshaw but 4 rings, can't take that away from him. Ditto Troy Aikman and his 3 rings. The fact Brady has 3 rings plays a big part in the credit I give him.

 

I didn't see Unitas or Bart Starr but obviously they were right up there at the top of the pedestal.

 

Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were fantastic passers, but no championships, that's a downgrade.

 

A few years ago I was in on a big discussion about who the best QB was and somebody made a strong case that Elway was the most gifted because of his ability to run as well as pass.

 

It's all fodder for debate.

[a700hitter]

I get too fired up about this stuff sometimes, especially when numbers are involved.

 

My alltime favorite quarterback was Joe Montana. I'm not saying he was the best, he probably wasn't-top 10 I would have to say. The thing about Montana was he was so pretty to watch, the smooth fakes, the rollouts, the pinpoint passes. And he was a clutch performer. I think Super Bowl rings or NFL titles has to be a big part of how QB's are rated. I didn't like Terry Bradshaw but 4 rings, can't take that away from him. Ditto Troy Aikman and his 3 rings. The fact Brady has 3 rings plays a big part in the credit I give him.

 

I didn't see Unitas or Bart Starr but obviously they were right up there at the top of the pedestal.

 

Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were fantastic passers, but no championships, that's a downgrade.

 

A few years ago I was in on a big discussion about who the best QB was and somebody made a strong case that Elway was the most gifted because of his ability to run as well as pass.

 

It's all fodder for debate.

Yes, and when discussing the best of the best, it is very subjective. I haven't sat down and made a list, but there are guys I would put ahead of Brady, including one of his contemporaries Peyton Manning and maybe even Drew Brees if he keeps on playing like he has the last few years. My favorite was Unitas. If I was a coach and I was told that Unitas was down with an injury and I had to play Brady, I would not be having a heat attack. I assume that I'd have bigger problems than that.

[Spitball]

Being a Red Sox fan was part of growing up in the Boston area. When I was a kid in the 50s and 60s, the Sox played a lot of day games. I remember playing outside and running into my house or any one of my friends' houses periodically to check on the score of games. The game was on the radio and everyone was listening. I remember going in our back door and my mom being very upset about Billy Monbouquette's pitching. All during lunch, she griped about his pitching.

 

In the late 1960s, Bobby Orr brought a new passion to New England. The '80s and Larry Bird brought a new era. Until Brady, the Pats were always last.