Aceves Quote After Latest Choke-Job

[Gringo]

From The Herald:

 

“My feeling? Nothing, man,” Aceves said defiantly. “The season started. There’s nothing we can do. It’s a game, dude. It’s a game. That’s what happened. Some days they hit it, some days they don’t. It’s one series. Even the (New York) Yankees got swept (by the Tampa Bay Rays).”

 

Nice...you know how I feel, Fredo?

 

Disgusted.

 

Show some f*cking pride, you jackass

[Brown28]

Say what you want about Beckett, but at least he gives a s***. You could tell watching him in the dugout yesterday that he was disgusted with himself

[Brown28]

Unlike this guy

[The Celtbot]

He doesn't deserve anything he's gotten this year. Starter, nope. Closer, please.

[example1]

I find it funny that the thing that makes Aceves so good in many peoples' eyes (him not giving a s***, being a tough SOB) suddenly comes back to make him look insensitive, or something. I wouldn't expect him to be crying about the results.

[ryan44]

I find it funny that the thing that makes Aceves so good in many peoples' eyes (him not giving a s***' date=' being a tough SOB) suddenly comes back to make him look insensitive, or something. I wouldn't expect him to be crying about the results.[/quote']

It doesn't matter what he said or didn't say. If he performed well people would give him the benefit of the doubt if he said nothing or if he kept talking about how good he pitched. Since he didn't perform, people will say he's arrogant or won't take responsibility given his comments. On the other hand, had he come out with some emotional statement, people would almost certainly say he's weak-minded and is unfit for the closers role since he can't move on quickly from bad outings.

[Gringo]

I find it funny that the thing that makes Aceves so good in many peoples' eyes (him not giving a s***' date=' being a tough SOB) suddenly comes back to make him look insensitive, or something. I wouldn't expect him to be crying about the results.[/quote']

 

Being tough and not giving a s*** are completely different....

[iortiz]

Aceves is a great asset in this team. He is a great reliever. This is not Aceves' fault. He is not a closer. Give him his 2011 job. He is great eating innings.

[FredLynn]

Unlike this guy

 

Hard to really fault Aceves. In the role he played last year he excelled. This year he was forced into a role that he is incompetent at.

If you look at our bullpen the quality just isn't there. They are trying, but they stink, for the most part, or they are in roles that they are not suited for. Part of this was due to Bailey's unforeseen injury; part due to our FO mining the dregs for pitching help and not going for quality. If you look at our bullpen and expect something other than what you are getting, then you are going to be very disappointed.

[RedSoxNC84]

Put Aceves back into his role from 2011, along with Padilla who looks pretty competent in the long arm situation so far, with Melancon/Bowden/Thomas for the 7th, try Morales at setup, and try to swing a decent trade for Uehara and see if he can close for awhile until Bailey is back.. I think the pen would be a lot better than it is now.

 

If Melancon can find his sack and remember how to pitch that is.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I don't really see a problem with what he said, and I don't get why anyone really would either. He's pretty much right.

 

I'd rather have a guy who thinks like this and goes out and gets the job done(like he did for all of last season, with presumably the same mindset he just showed) than someone who is going to freak the f*** out over an outing like this and dwell on it and carry it out to the mound with him next time. Like he said, it was ONE series. That's it. He has plenty more of them to turn it around.

 

The only time I would be bothered by statements like this is if they are coming from the manager or something.

[onlybereaved]

I don't dislike Aceves - I do however not feel good/happy/confident in any capacity whatsoever of him being "our closer".

[Gringo]

When a reporter asks a player how he feels about losing a tough game, I'd like the player to say something other than "Nothing."

 

It's an insult to the players that battled all game, and it's an insult to the fans who pay good money for NESN, who I'm sure felt more than "Nothing" after that debacle...

[mvp 78]

I'd rather Aceves feel nothing than have him feel like a broken man. I don't have a problem with this quote. I was more concerned about his quote when put back into pen in ST.

[User Name]

I don't really see a problem with what he said, and I don't get why anyone really would either. He's pretty much right.

 

I'd rather have a guy who thinks like this and goes out and gets the job done(like he did for all of last season, with presumably the same mindset he just showed) than someone who is going to freak the f*** out over an outing like this and dwell on it and carry it out to the mound with him next time. Like he said, it was ONE series. That's it. He has plenty more of them to turn it around.

 

The only time I would be bothered by statements like this is if they are coming from the manager or something.

 

This is spot-on.

[Bellhorn04]

That quote sounds like vintage Manny.

[ORS]

I don't get, and refuse to accept the, "it's not Aceves fault, he's in the wrong role" BS. Does he magically not give up singles and HRs to those hitters if the inning number changes? No. Based on how he performed last year in the BP, he's a viable option to finish games in this year's BP. What remains to be seen is if he can be the same pitcher he was last year. If he can't, he'll be a detriment to the team, in any inning.

[jacksonianmarch]

A closer needs a short memory. He's trying to publicly display a short memory. It's a non-issue as of right now

[yeszir]

Oh man. Who cares what he says. It's Aceves.

[SoxSport]

Great quotes by Aceves. He tells it like it is. The Yankees lose three in a row and it's not news.

 

These guys are pros. The pitching sucked in Detroit, and they have to make the right adjustments.

[Dojji]

Hard to really fault Aceves. In the role he played last year he excelled. This year he was forced into a role that he is incompetent at.

If you look at our bullpen the quality just isn't there. They are trying, but they stink, for the most part, or they are in roles that they are not suited for. Part of this was due to Bailey's unforeseen injury; part due to our FO mining the dregs for pitching help and not going for quality. If you look at our bullpen and expect something other than what you are getting, then you are going to be very disappointed.

 

And you can tell this in 3 games against a major contender.

[Station 13]

Aceves yesterday allow 3 hits on his fastball. He's a lot better suited in long relief, mixing up his pitches. He doesn't have a Bard or Papelbon swing and miss fastball to air it over 1 inning. As soon as Shoppach set up that pitch to Cabera, I knew it would be in the stand. A great hitter like that just do not miss often when they get a cookie.

[FredLynn]

And you can tell this in 3 games against a major contender.

 

So what-you are happy with the people in our bullpen?

Yes, I can tell in in three games. I could tell that our bullpen stinks BEFORE those three games. As soon as our closer went down we went from a bullpen with a lot of question marks to a bullpen that is likely below average. I can see it; Mazz saw it ( would you like me to repost his article?); many others see it too.

Its not a competitive bullpen, not for a contending team.

[mvp 78]

Mazz also said Bard could win 15 games and have a 3.50 ERA. Guess we won't be moving Bard to the BP then?

[FredLynn]

Mazz also said Bard could win 15 games and have a 3.50 ERA. Guess we won't be moving Bard to the BP then?

 

I realize that there are two very valid opinions about what should be done with Bard. You know what I think; you know what E-1 thinks. Both positions are defensible.

My previous post had to do with the CURRENT state of the personnel in our bullpen.

[pedroias laser]

3 Games is nothing to get crazy about really it isn't. I can see everyone's frustration but lets see what

happens after the next couple of series before we jump ship on the year.

[Dojji]

So what-you are happy with the people in our bullpen.

 

Don't know enough to say one way or the other yet. Talk to me when we're 20 games in or so, that's the earliest I might have an opinion.

[FredLynn]

Don't know enough to say one way or the other yet. Talk to me when we're 20 games in or so' date=' that's the earliest I might have an opinion.[/quote']

 

Thats reasonable. FWIW: I hope I am wrong about this. I hope that the guys we have now come around and pitch well and make this an exciting season.

[NativeBostonian]

I find it funny that the thing that makes Aceves so good in many peoples' eyes (him not giving a s***' date=' being a tough SOB) suddenly comes back to make him look insensitive, or something. I wouldn't expect him to be crying about the results.[/quote']

 

I agree with you here. If your going to like a guy because he is a tough "SOB" and doesn't seem to have a care in the world, then you are going to have to take the good with the bad. If he isn't an emotional person when he wins, he isn't going to be when he screws up, big time.

[redsoxfan3]

Put Aceves back into his role from 2011, along with Padilla who looks pretty competent in the long arm situation so far, with Melancon/Bowden/Thomas for the 7th, try Morales at setup, and try to swing a decent trade for Uehara and see if he can close for awhile until Bailey is back.. I think the pen would be a lot better than it is now.

 

If Melancon can find his sack and remember how to pitch that is.

 

I really think Morales, Bowden, and Albers all deserve a shot in the later innings. Right now I would only trust Melancon in a game where we are either getting destroyed or doing the destroying. I am a firm believer in trying to get Melancon out there to try to pitch in the later innings again. If he is successful that could be a huge confidence booster and could essentially make him more reliable. I, of course, do not trust him in any situation, but I still think at some point we need to let him have an opportunity in a set-up role again. Aceves has also pitched like s***, but I am still confident that he will get back on track. It is so early on in the season to really make any impulse decisions. I think Melancon and Aceves will be fine. I think Bowden, Morales, and Albers could all be the big surprises this year in the pen. We did face one of the best offenses in baseball our opening series. I think we will be fine. Padilla is looking good. Hill comes back in June. The options to make a trade is there. Our offense is obviously really good. Our starting pitchers will improve. The team is two close games away from being 2-1 and we would not be discussing this at all. It is a lesson learned. Let's forget the past and focus on getting our first W. After all, didn't we start out 2-10 last year? We bounced back just fine (not including September). We will win a lot of ball games this year.