What did the Sox get for Epstein?

[a700hitter]

I'm not big into Jackson at all. But the one thing this team needs more of' date=' it would be players who are hungry. Most of this team is fat and happy, but Jackson would be fighting for his payday. And, worst comes to worst, he's gone next year.[/quote']I agree. That's three times in a row!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm not big into Jackson at all. But the one thing this team needs more of' date=' it would be players who are hungry. Most of this team is fat and happy, but Jackson would be fighting for his payday. And, worst comes to worst, he's gone next year.[/quote']

 

Jackson will give you 190+IP at probably above a 4 to 4.5ERA. But the 190IP will be much better than a bunch of schmucks throwing 120IP at a 6+ERA and your depleted pen having to clean up the other 70+

[a700hitter]

Jackson will give you 190+IP at probably above a 4 to 4.5ERA. But the 190IP will be much better than a bunch of schmucks throwing 120IP at a 6+ERA and your depleted pen having to clean up the other 70+

4 in a row! For being accused of being a negative Nelly, I am agreeing with everyone.

[Spudboy]

4 in a row! For being accused of being a negative Nelly' date=' I am agreeing with everyone.[/quote']

 

I agree with Doc and Pal as well. Still, I think Ben has something else in mind. I just have a hunch that he has not shown his hand yet. We shall see!

[iortiz]

Hopefully the baseball Gods listen to you Spud. Fingers crossed.

[redsoxfan3]

Honestly' date=' money would be a best case scenario. That would be better than a B prospect. 3 million more to spend in 2012 puts their SP offer from 5 million to 8 million-- a big enough difference to likely nab Jackson.[/quote']

 

This is where I am kind of confused. I always thought that having enough money to sign Jackson at 8 million was not the problem. I thought that they were just offering him 5-6 million to try to get him cheaper so it is less money that we are going to go over the luxury tax. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think just because we get 3 million from the Cubs then that means we can spend that on someone without it impacting the luxury tax. From my understanding, I always thought money was not the problem, but instead the problem was trying to stay as close to the luxury tax as possible. So say that we get three million from the Cubs, then really we can't just offer that to Jackson, because it will still add more money towards the luxury tax.

[User Name]

If they got money from the Cubs, it would be discounted from the LT calculations. They would effectively have more money to spend without impacting the LT.

[redsoxfan3]

If they got money from the Cubs' date=' it would be discounted from the LT calculations. They would effectively have more money to spend without impacting the LT.[/quote']

 

Oh ok, thanks for the information. I was not aware of that, but it does make sense.

[iMagic10]

Any news about this topic lately?

[VA Sox Fan]

Any news about this topic lately?

 

Nothing but..." a decision will be made soon" They've been saying that for weeks. :thumbdown

[a700hitter]

Nothing but..." a decision will be made soon" They've been saying that for weeks. :thumbdown

They might as well wait until the Sox make the trip to Chicago in June for inter-league.

[VA Sox Fan]

They might as well wait until the Sox make the trip to Chicago in June for inter-league.

 

Peter Abraham recently posted that it's gone on too long and he no longer really cares what the compensation will be.

 

Glad "the great" Bud Selig stepped in. Lightening fast decision maker there.

[Muggah]

Peter Abraham recently posted that it's gone on too long and he no longer really cares what the compensation will be.

 

Glad "the great" Bud Selig stepped in. Lightening fast decision maker there.

 

I've had people tell me that Bud's biggest fear is that he makes the decision on what is to be compensation and then either one or both sides tells him to go f*** himself. In which case there's really nothing he can do.

[VA Sox Fan]

I've had people tell me that Bud's biggest fear is that he makes the decision on what is to be compensation and then either one or both sides tells him to go f*** himself. In which case there's really nothing he can do.

 

Either side can reject his decision?

[Muggah]

Either side can reject his decision?

 

To be honest I've heard both yes and no on that question. But I'm not familiar enough with what power Bud's office does and doesn't have in a situation like this to answer that. Maybe somebody with better knowledge would know.

[Elktonnick]

To be honest I've heard both yes and no on that question. But I'm not familiar enough with what power Bud's office does and doesn't have in a situation like this to answer that. Maybe somebody with better knowledge would know.

 

The commissioner has wide powers under the best interests of baseball cluase. Plus both teams asked the commissioner to intervene. The clubs will accept the commissioners ruling. IMHO

[mvp 78]

I've had people tell me that Bud's biggest fear is that he makes the decision on what is to be compensation and then either one or both sides tells him to go f*** himself. In which case there's really nothing he can do.

 

Not true. He could dock their draft picks, fine them, etc.

[jacksonianmarch]

and the commissioner already has said he wants to limit the value teams place on executives and non-game managers. My guess is you will not be pleased with the return

[User Name]

and the commissioner already has said he wants to limit the value teams place on executives and non-game managers. My guess is you will not be pleased with the return

 

He has also said he wants to limit the possibility of executives moving mid-contract, and may make an example out of this situation. This has been quoted several times on-site.

[MNSoxChief102]

and the commissioner already has said he wants to limit the value teams place on executives and non-game managers. My guess is you will not be pleased with the return

 

At this point, I really could care less who it is, as long as the saga is over and we can focus on the upcoming season instead.

[Palodios]

Tomorrow marks the four month anniversary of Theo's departure from the Red Sox.

[User Name]

Tomorrow marks the four month anniversary of Theo's departure from the Red Sox.

 

Don't you mean "Blunder's" departure?

[Palodios]

Don't you mean "Blunder's" departure?

 

Blunder is a strange nickname for a guy who won this town two world series and drafted a number of HOF potential players.

[User Name]

Blunder is a strange nickname for a guy who won this town two world series and drafted a number of HOF potential players.

 

And his teams had the second-best winning % in MLB during his tenure. Don't forget that.

[SoxSport]

At this point' date=' I really could care less who it is, as long as the saga is over and we can focus on the upcoming season instead.[/quote']

 

The Red Sox want Garza and the Cubs want to give them the batboy on their single A farm team. Selig has to pick somebody in between agreeable to both.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am telling you right now, no major player movement will happen

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox want Garza and the Cubs want to give them the batboy on their single A farm team. Selig has to pick somebody in between agreeable to both.

 

They should have done it like a salary arbitration, where Selig could only pick one. That would have forced them to come up with reasonable offers.

[BSN07]

I am telling you right now' date=' no major player movement will happen[/quote']

 

I don't expect a ML player to be involved. I think it will be $ or a prospect. it's an odd situation for Bud. he doesn't want FO people to be over valued, but doesn't want them leaving their contracts early. I think he could possibly make it a significant return this time as an example, thus keeping other FO types from doing this. At that point then he wouldn't have to worry about FO types being overvauled. Really could go either way. I doubt very much it has any effect on the Red Sox ML team this season other then maybe if they get money. Then possibly that money will come off their LT total?

[a700hitter]

I don't expect a ML player to be involved. I think it will be $ or a prospect. it's an odd situation for Bud. he doesn't want FO people to be over valued' date=' but doesn't want them leaving their contracts early. I think he could possibly make it a significant return this time as an example, thus keeping other FO types from doing this. At that point then he wouldn't have to worry about FO types being overvauled. Really could go either way. I doubt very much it has any effect on the Red Sox ML team this season other then maybe if they get money. Then possibly that money will come off their LT total?[/quote']I have read this previously that Selig wants to discourage FO personnel from leaving their teams prior to their contracts being up. My question is why would he care? There was no allegation of tampering. The Sox could have said no. I don't think Theo's move was disruptive to either organization. I don't get why he would want to discourage this. Someone put this in an article and people are adopting it like it is a fact. Can someone explain why discouraging this type of movement would be in the best interests of baseball.

[BSN07]

He probably wants all MLB employee's to honor their contracts to the end. Other then that, I agree, i'm not sure why he wants it that way.