What did the Sox get for Epstein?

[IRON HORSE]

When is it going to be announced what the Sox got for Epstein going to the Cubs? It has been months and last thing I heard, Selig had to intervene. Would like some light shed on this issue.

 

Cheers, All the Best

 

IRON HORSE

[Palodios]

It doesn't appear that it will be settled any time soon.

[a700hitter]

I thought the compensation was Theo's agreement not to hire someone from the Red Sox for 2-3 years.

[Elktonnick]

I think it will be something nominal. I don't expect anything that will affect the sox or the cubs for the foreseeable future.

[redsoxfan3]

I thought the compensation was Theo's agreement not to hire someone from the Red Sox for 2-3 years.

 

I think that was just something that they agreed to in terms that didn't involve his compensation. As of right now that is not the compensation, although it would not surprise me if we hear in the next few weeks that it is the compensation. I don't really know what the hold up is, because back in November, Theo's compensation was really the only thing that everyone was talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if we just get a crappy prospect and they call it a day. I don't see what is taking so long for the compensation. It has kind of fallen off of the radar. I remember some people were saying that his compensation could be something with some sort of trade with Garza. That is probably a long shot, especially since their asking price is super high. We will probably know fairly soon what the official compensation is. The only thing I am worried about as of now is getting a #4 starter in the rotation and adding a couple of more arms to the pen. I think we are generally headed into the season on a good note from this offseason. A couple of more good moves could make us a really good team this upcoming year. The Melancon and Bailey trades were great moves by BC. I would love for us to sign Oswalt, Kuroda, or Jackson, but their asking prices are probably too much. Maybe Saunders is more realistic. All I know for sure is that we need one more proven guy in the rotation, because I don't know what to expect from Bard and with injuries. Hopefully Dice-K will be a good second half guy for this team. Either way, when it is all said and done, we will be a good team and a team that can compete for the AL East title.

[Crewzinforabrewzin]

Theos last act of buisness should have workin out compensation form himself and shouldn't have left Boston until the deal was worked out.

[redsoxfan3]

I am bumping this thread for Theo's compensation. I read in an article the other day that Selig could make the Cubs fork up something big in return. Supposedly MLB wants to prevent GM's from leaving a team before their contract is up. So, if that is the case, do you think Brett Jackson is an option? He is one of the better Cubs prospects. I hope we get something significant in return, afterall, Theo screwed us out of a lot of money. I know that is something that has no impact on the decision, I just hope karma bites him in the ass for leaving for Chicago as early as he did.

[FredLynn]

Theos last act of buisness should have workin out compensation form himself and shouldn't have left Boston until the deal was worked out.

 

I think that he had to recuse himself from those negotiations. As soon as he had a job lined up with the Cubs he had two allegiances, and you can't do that. Pretty stupid, eh? Allowing him to leave without a deal in place caused all our leverage to go out the window. The Cubs, for whatever reason, wanted him dearly and he wanted them. We had them by the cajones and let go.

[a700hitter]

I heard that Theo submitted a full list of the big money free agent acquisitions that he made with Boston to prove that he is worthless.

[SoxSport]

I think they pushed him out the door, and maybe the Cubs owner sees it that way, too, so he figures why should he have to pay anything. Now LL & Henry certainly don't want to make it look like they pushed him out the door, for a variety of reasons. The least of which is making Epstein look bad, plus they want to get some compensation for him. Executives these days always leave on their own volition--they never get any encouragement. Right?

[SoxSport]

I am bumping this thread for Theo's compensation. I read in an article the other day that Selig could make the Cubs fork up something big in return. Supposedly MLB wants to prevent GM's from leaving a team before their contract is up. So' date=' if that is the case, do you think Brett Jackson is an option? He is one of the better Cubs prospects. I hope we get something significant in return, afterall, Theo screwed us out of a lot of money. I know that is something that has no impact on the decision, I just hope karma bites him in the ass for leaving for Chicago as early as he did.[/quote']

 

I doubt they want another outfielder. They probably want a pitcher. LL has pushed for Garza from the outset. I wonder if something can't be worked out there.

[Muggah]

I think that he had to recuse himself from those negotiations. As soon as he had a job lined up with the Cubs he had two allegiances' date=' and you can't do that. Pretty stupid, eh? Allowing him to leave without a deal in place caused all our leverage to go out the window. The Cubs, for whatever reason, wanted him dearly and he wanted them. We had them by the cajones and let go.[/quote']

 

 

Luchhino wanted him gone so badly he would have agreed to letting him go for nothing if that's what it was going to take. Compensation was the last thing on LL's mind at the time. Afterwards, though, LL decided to take the hardest line possible with Ricketts and now, Blunder, simply because he can--one last chance to stick it to Blunder.

 

I still have my doubts about even Selig getting it done. I don't think he has the balls.

[a700hitter]

I doubt they want another outfielder. They probably want a pitcher. LL has pushed for Garza from the outset. I wonder if something can't be worked out there.

I don't see Selig as having enough guts to put together a trade for Garza. That is probably beyond his authority.

[SoxSport]

I don't see Selig as having enough guts to put together a trade for Garza. That is probably beyond his authority.

 

Sure, but he can suggest it behind the scenes. It's possible he'll do it that way anyways, and the teams will announce they have come to an agreement, as follows....

[a700hitter]

Sure' date=' but he can suggest it behind the scenes. It's possible he'll do it that way anyways, and the teams will announce they have come to an agreement, as follows....[/quote']Can he force a trade between the teams? Even if he has that kind of authority, I don't think he has the balls to do it. I'd love to see it happen.

[Muggah]

Can he force a trade between the teams? Even if he has that kind of authority' date=' I don't think he has the balls to do it. I'd love to see it happen.[/quote']

 

Ya, I mean it would be interesting to watch, funny too. But what if one or both teams just say 'No' to whatever his decision is? What are Bud's options? These are two storied franchises, two owners with clout---what if they both just say "f*** you, Bud?' Ultimately I don't think there's jack he could do. And he'd end up looking more foolish than he does already.

 

I'm with you, though. I'd love to see it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bud will come up with a monetary number that will probably be less than 3 million dollars. He cannot force player movement and he has said that he wants to limit the worth of executives on other clubs. This will not be a major win for the sox

[Palodios]

Bud will come up with a monetary number that will probably be less than 3 million dollars. He cannot force player movement and he has said that he wants to limit the worth of executives on other clubs. This will not be a major win for the sox

 

Amend the chart!

 

Seriously, what you're saying goes against everything that the reports have been saying. They exchanged lists of players....

[mvp 78]

Ahem, "they still haven't gotten anything for boy blunder. What are they waiting for? Can't Ben the Boob do anything right?"

 

Theo was such a horrible GM, shouldn't we be happy that we didn't have to give up amything to have the Cubbies take him off our hands?

[Spudboy]

Theos last act of buisness should have workin out compensation form himself and shouldn't have left Boston until the deal was worked out.

 

This makes no sense.

 

Good first post though.

[Muggah]

Ahem, "they still haven't gotten anything for boy blunder. What are they waiting for? Can't Ben the Boob do anything right?"

 

Theo was such a horrible GM, shouldn't we be happy that we didn't have to give up amything to have the Cubbies take him off our hands?

 

 

Amen to that! You'd be hard pressed to find anyone (coherent) unhappy that Blunder's finally gone. He's arguably the worst GM operating in the game today--always has been. Poor Cubbies--they'll sure be sorry.

 

My problem all along from a Sox pov is that they look incompetent in the way they've handled it. The day Blunder's exit was official they should have simply issued a press release, nicely worded, but saying in essence, "You can have him He's ruined our franchise. Good riddance."--and be done with it. That would have been the ultimate last shot for Larry---here, take him, you can have him for nothing.

 

They missed that opportunity, and now they look bitter, stubborn and foolish.

[Spudboy]

I think they pushed him out the door' date=' and maybe the Cubs owner sees it that way, too, so he figures why should he have to pay anything. Now LL & Henry certainly don't want to make it look like they pushed him out the door, for a variety of reasons. The least of which is making Epstein look bad, plus they want to get some compensation for him. Executives these days always leave on their own volition--they never get any encouragement. Right? [/quote']

 

The only post on this thread that makes sense! Thank you.

 

This is not over. But it sure appears that the Sox F.O. has not covered itself in glory.

[Spudboy]

I have to figure out how to block this thread. Other than Soxport, non of it is readable. Oye.

 

Edit. And Pal.

[jacksonianmarch]

Amend the chart!

 

Seriously, what you're saying goes against everything that the reports have been saying. They exchanged lists of players....

 

And in the end, Selig is going to have a monetary compensation in mind. I told you here first, on this last day of January 2012

[Palodios]

And in the end' date=' Selig is going to have a monetary compensation in mind. I told you here first, on this last day of January 2012[/quote']

 

Honestly, money would be a best case scenario. That would be better than a B prospect. 3 million more to spend in 2012 puts their SP offer from 5 million to 8 million-- a big enough difference to likely nab Jackson.

[a700hitter]

Honestly' date=' money would be a best case scenario. That would be better than a B prospect. 3 million more to spend in 2012 puts their SP offer from 5 million to 8 million-- a big enough difference to likely nab Jackson.[/quote']I agree.

[jacksonianmarch]

And Jackson is exactly what you need. A guy who can eat nearly 200 innings without killing you. He's mediocre, but durable. And right now, that's okay

[a700hitter]

And Jackson is exactly what you need. A guy who can eat nearly 200 innings without killing you. He's mediocre' date=' but durable. And right now, that's okay[/quote']I agree with this too. I can't remember the last time that i agree with you and Pal in back to back posts.

[Palodios]

And Jackson is exactly what you need. A guy who can eat nearly 200 innings without killing you. He's mediocre' date=' but durable. And right now, that's okay[/quote']

 

I'm not big into Jackson at all. But the one thing this team needs more of, it would be players who are hungry. Most of this team is fat and happy, but Jackson would be fighting for his payday. And, worst comes to worst, he's gone next year.

[Elktonnick]

Ya, I mean it would be interesting to watch, funny too. But what if one or both teams just say 'No' to whatever his decision is? What are Bud's options? These are two storied franchises, two owners with clout---what if they both just say "f*** you, Bud?' Ultimately I don't think there's jack he could do. And he'd end up looking more foolish than he does already.

 

I'm with you, though. I'd love to see it.

 

"Best interests of baseball" the commissioner has very strong powers when it comes to this kind of thing. Plus both clubs have turned over to the commisssioner to resolve so it essence they have agreed to abide by his decision. Remember when Charlie O sent Vida Blue et al to the Red Sox and the commissioner vetoed the trade under the best interests of baseball

 

"First, the clubs deleted the 1944 language that prevented the Commissioner from finding any act or practice complying with a major league rule to be detrimental to baseball. Also, the language "detrimental to the best interests of baseball" was changed to "not in the best interests of baseball." Finally, the clubs restored the provision waiving any right of recourse in the courts to challenge a Commissioner's decision." source MLB.COM