Red Sox Acquire Bailey

[VA Sox Fan]

This is where a700 would say "thanks for adding to the discussion." Wait' date=' he'd only say that to VA.[/quote']

 

No doubt about that...LMAO!!

 

Psyched about our new acquisitions. More to come at some point in time.

 

The Entourage will not be happy though, ever.

[VA Sox Fan]

Only when she quotes an insult from a poster who I have on ignore. iortiz wasn't piling on by quoting an insult. He was laughing at a joke. Where is your sense of humor' date=' MVP?[/quote']

 

Try to chill out a bit.

[a700hitter]

Try to chill out a bit.

I am chill. Just setting the record straight.

[Flynnatic10]

Crown? Every day is casual wear for monarchs at TalkSox.

 

Then explain the yankees fans.

[mvp 78]

I am chill. Just setting the record straight.

 

That was my sense of humor. I was joking about it. Jeez...

[Spudboy]

Meh....

[redsoxbeatz]

I like it. Don't know much about them players received but reading about them now -- looks like good paplebon replacement.

 

now, lets get garza

[a700hitter]

That was my sense of humor. I was joking about it. Jeez...

Okay. I just didn't want to stir things up between me and VA.

[a700hitter]

Then explain the yankees fans.

I have the same amount of authority as the British Royals (i.e. zero) at a much lower compensation.

[cljunior]

Good trade. We had a surplus of LHH OF anyway. Kalish is probably ready to take over in RF if we cannot find a RHH OF to do it. The A's think that Alcantara has a big upside, so it could also work out well for them. They have a history of developing good pitching in their minor league system.

Bailey is not FA eligible until 2015 according to what I read.

I totally agree. I hate to see Reddick go, he looks like a great hitter, but we can probably fill RF through free agency next year if not this year. We NEED a great closer this season to fill Pap's shoes. RF offense is a want for the Sox in 2012, not a need. We topped the league in BA last season, it's definitely not our area of need.

 

I hope Reddick can turn out to be a prolific hitter and good luck to him. With less pressure at the A's, he might just do so. Though in saying that, the AL West looks pretty stacked nowadays!

[jacksonianmarch]

Josh Reddick is going to die in Oakland. You gotta feel bad for the kid, going from a playoff contender in a great hitters park to the place where sluggers die on a rebuilding team. But he'll get a shot.

 

In terms of this deal, all I can think of is...wtf is Beane smoking? Bailey is a solid pen arm who has been good to great for 3 years. Two things jump out to me. First, obviously, is health. After throwing 83.1IP in his rookie campaign, he hasnt been able to break 50IP and he's had elbow troubles for two seasons. Second, his WHIP has risen in consecutive seasons. So, either Beane knows something we don't, or he dealt away Bailey before proving he's completely healthy. This just doesnt make any sense. The haul Beane got should help them stay mediocre, as I didnt think anything of Reddick and Head and Alcantara are far enough away to not really be relevant. But if he had just shown that through mid-season he was healthy for the load of a year, then he could have gotten much, much more. Regardless, if this kid stays healthy, you've got a top notch closer. Elbows are tricky, though, and maybe Beane didnt want to hold onto him and pay him while rehabbing from TJS and decided to dump him for 50 cents on the dollar

[cljunior]

The more I think about it, the more I agree. Sweeney is no 2nd rate player, looking into his stats the last few years. 2011 was definitely a down year for him.

 

So a straight swap between Reddick/Bailey would have been a decent deal, but to get Sweeney as well! It's hard to think there isn't something in between the lines.

 

Then again, I have no idea how good those two prospects were that got dealt, so possibly that was a big factor in the decision from their scouting reports, etc ....

[jacksonianmarch]

Head has big power but K's a ton. He showed he could hit in the SAL, but struggled in the FSL. He really parlayed one good half season into being the headline prospect in a deal for an all-star closer. Really interesting how that turned out. Alcantara is a young kid with a good arm but incredibly raw. Neither of them are likely to make it to the bigs let alone outshine Bailey.

[Meh]

Wow good deal! I don't like Miles Head at all. I've made that known, but I LOVE Alcantera. He's a long ways off, but like the Vazquez deal everyone was talking about Melky, while Vizcaino was the PTNBL, obviously The Viz was farther along at the time of the trade but make no mistake, Alcantera was the big get for Beane. I don't like Bailey but I do love the buy low on Ryan Sweeney. If anyone wants to buy a Ryan Sweeney game used, signed bat let me know.

[Ravenous916]

If Bailey stays healthy, this was awesome. Impatient for a big deal... please don't platoon RF with trash you find around the league.

[MANNYHOF24]

This is a great trade for the Red Sox. I honestly didn't see Reddick as a long term solution in our outfield. He is a nice young player, but I think had too many holes in his game as we saw late in the year. I piece together right field with Kalish/McDonald/Sweeney, and make a move mid season or after the season if the job isn't getting done.

[Deebs]

Every Yankee fan that I know is saying that this is a good deal for the Sox and that Beane must have been drunk or on drugs. When Yankees fans think the Red Sox made a steal, you know it's a great deal.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Wow good deal! I don't like Miles Head at all. I've made that known' date=' but I LOVE Alcantera. He's a long ways off, but like the Vazquez deal everyone was talking about Melky, while Vizcaino was the PTNBL, obviously The Viz was farther along at the time of the trade but make no mistake, Alcantera was the big get for Beane. I don't like Bailey but I do love the buy low on Ryan Sweeney. If anyone wants to buy a Ryan Sweeney game used, signed bat let me know. [/quote']

 

Come on no one loves rual alcantera. He's an interesting very low level piece that could maybe be something decent in about 4 years. Vizcaino was significantly more projectable at the time of the deal.

[mvp 78]

Come on no one loves rual alcantera. He's an interesting very low level piece that could maybe be something decent in about 4 years. Vizcaino was significantly more projectable at the time of the deal.

 

Ranked 25th prospect for the Sox by soxprospects.com

 

Meh must have an enormous boner for Henry Owens then.

[example1]

Come on no one loves rual alcantera. He's an interesting very low level piece that could maybe be something decent in about 4 years. Vizcaino was significantly more projectable at the time of the deal.

 

Alcantera was highly regarded by many. He's just another example of the fact that the Sox system isn't s***, like many would want to believe. It is loaded with players that other teams would want, they just don't get the recognition because they are a few years away. The Sox aren't in a position where they either have to trade their top prospects like Middlebrooks or Kalish, or go without. Some teams may demand those guys but I think many moves can be made by moving pieces that most posters here have never heard of.

[Spitball]

One thing that bothers me about Andrew Bailey is his home and away splits with strikeouts and walks. He has struck out batters at a 10.4 rate in that big Oakland park and only 7.4 away. His walks on the road are also way more frequent. This tells me he probably pitches more aggresively and more confidently in that big ballpark.

 

The rest of his splits are pretty equal, but he tended to have more home appearances (probably due to more win opportunities).

[Divinity]

Every Yankee fan that I know is saying that this is a good deal for the Sox and that Beane must have been drunk or on drugs. When Yankees fans think the Red Sox made a steal' date=' you know it's a great deal.[/quote']

 

It was a good deal, saying its a great deal is stretching it, the Red Sox should be a little worried about Bailey's injury history.

[3rdManOut]

Kinda feel sorry for the A's letting everyone go it seems. Decent deal for us though. Just glade we were able to replace Pap. Who knows, maybe Bailey will pitch really great at Fenway.

[jacksonianmarch]

It was a good deal' date=' saying its a great deal is stretching it, the Red Sox should be a little worried about Bailey's injury history.[/quote']

 

All deals are about risk and reward. They risked little and got a player who would be a huge reward if healthy. I continue to say that Beane knows something we don't. He is usually pretty good at getting top notch value for his players and this seems like a bit of a dump

[jacksonianmarch]

Alcantera was highly regarded by many. He's just another example of the fact that the Sox system isn't s***' date=' like many would want to believe. It is loaded with players that other teams would want, they just don't get the recognition because they are a few years away. The Sox aren't in a position where they either have to trade their top prospects like Middlebrooks or Kalish, or go without. Some teams may demand those guys but I think many moves can be made by moving pieces that most posters here have never heard of.[/quote']

 

In order to get the rotation pieces, though, those further away parts are much less desirable as headliners. The sox system is thin at the top and deep at the bottom, so soon, they'll be restocked. It's just they lack the headliners for guys like Garza, Felix, etc.

[example1]

In order to get the rotation pieces' date=' though, those further away parts are much less desirable as headliners. The sox system is thin at the top and deep at the bottom, so soon, they'll be restocked. It's just they lack the headliners for guys like Garza, Felix, etc.[/quote']

 

Garza and Felix in the same sentence? That's funny Jacko.

 

The Cubs aren't looking to win now or in a year. I think they would be willing to move on guys like Brentz, Jacobs, Vitek, Ranaudo, Britton, etc., Plus, Garza isn't Felix. A deal for Felix would be pretty tough at this point.

[jacksonianmarch]

Take a look at the haul the a's got for Gio and Cahill and tell me honestly if the sox have that kind of headliner talent with proximity in their system. Garza is better than Gio and Cahill, and Theo knows it

[Rdsxmbnt]

Take a look at the haul the a's got for Gio and Cahill and tell me honestly if the sox have that kind of headliner talent with proximity in their system. Garza is better than Gio and Cahill' date=' and Theo knows it[/quote']

 

Is he? Gio is 2 years younger, 2 years farther from FA and has had better success in the American League than Garza. I think Beane could see Gio as an ace/#2 a lot better than Theo could sell Garza for the same role.

[mvp 78]

All deals are about risk and reward. They risked little and got a player who would be a huge reward if healthy. I continue to say that Beane knows something we don't. He is usually pretty good at getting top notch value for his players and this seems like a bit of a dump

 

Where is all the talent from his trading of the mid 00's pitching staff? He's not really even got .50 on the dollar.

[Station 13]

This was some heist. when they spoke with KC about Soria the Royals names guys they want back like Buchholz, Montero, etc ahah.