Ortiz

[roger5353]

Help out somebody on the other side of the world - why not sign Ortiz? Too expensive, too old...?

[VA Sox Fan]

Really? Another new thread? Wow

[jung]

Roger your thread might get incorporated into an existing thread. You won't have any trouble finding it if one of the moderators does that.

 

The Red Sox have so many left handed bats for one thing and very few power hitters that bat from the right side of the plate. So there is that.

 

Ortiz can no longer play in the field so he can only be a DH. While Ortiz is the best DH based on his 2011 performance it is a good deal to pay for guy that can only DH. This puts a degree of stress on the team in general as well. They would like to allow some of their other star players to be the DH in some games allowing them a degree of rest. If the Sox pay a good deal for Ortiz, they will really have to play him in just about every game where he is able and that means the Sox will not be able to use the DH position to rest some of the other players.

 

There is his age as well. That said everybody is comfortable with signing him for one year and maybe two. However the news is that he is asking for three and most think there is little interest in signing him for three years.

 

The Sox appear willing to pay him more than the going rate for a one year contract and that is likely why they offered him arbitration. If I were a betting man I would say that it is likely that Ortiz will stay in Boston. In offering arbitration, the Sox have certainly now expressed a good deal of interest in keeping him.

[boy racer]

Some new info just came out regarding his situation so I think this thread just gained some importance on its own.

 

A two-year, $25 million deal would keep him in Boston, according to the source, but prior to offering arbitration, the Red Sox put a two-year, $18 million deal on the table.

 

The confidence of the Red Sox source suggests that Ortiz either takes the two-year deal or accepts salary arbitration.

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7323309/sources-boston-red-sox-think-david-ortiz-stays-dh-not-sure

[boy racer]

If all goes haywire...

 

If Ortiz, a Type A free agent, were to sign a deal elsewhere, the Red Sox would receive two draft picks as compensation. That scenario could give other teams pause about signing the designated hitter and having to yield a first-round pick.

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7323309/sources-boston-red-sox-think-david-ortiz-stays-dh-not-sure

[seabeachfred]

Ortease is coming back to the Red Sox whether we want him back or not (I don't). We have tons of problems with our pitching that needs to be settled and signing this guy for $18 million is going to impede the chances of doing so. Cherington has about lost me even this early because the guy doesn't seem to be able to cut wind and chew gum at the same time. We could have a real dud in the general manager's chair my friends. All we've gotten so far this winter is Andre Miller. ANDREW MILLER??????

How efen dumb can this Cherington be?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The Red Sox are slowly becoming what the Yankees were for a little while: a big payroll, brand name team where instead of making actual improvements it's about bringing guys back based on some sentimentality and the ability to market the person. Ortiz isn't needed, let him go, actually build the team with what is needed please.

[MNSoxChief102]

I don't have a problem with bringing him back through arb or with the 2 year option at $9 million per year. He can either have stability for the last two years of his career or more money this year through arbitration. Other than that, not so much

[redsoxrules]

David Ortiz plans to accept Boston's arbitration offer and remain with the Red Sox, reports Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes (Spanish link). In that case, Ortiz would be in line for a one-year deal with a slight raise on last year's $12.5MM salary

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, the sox are hoping he doesn't accept arb, IMO. If he doesn't accept, then the sox yank the offer on the table and collect 2 picks for their troubles. They need to tender him a contract offer anyway tO be eligible for comp, so a 2 yr $18 million offer isn't too outrageous. The problem for the sox will be if he accepts arb and actually goes to arb. He could make $15 mil or so in arbitration

[MNSoxChief102]

Happy to see him back for at least one more year... would have rather had him for two at $9 million per, but going to arb is okay, as he won't make a ton more than what he got last year.

[DeadHorseSociety]

David Ortiz To Accept Arbitration

 

David Ortiz plans to accept Boston's arbitration offer and remain with the Red Sox, reports Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes (Spanish link). In that case, Ortiz would be in line for a one-year deal with a slight raise on last year's $12.5MM salary.

 

 

:thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

Rotoworld expects him to get $16 million if he goes to arbitration

[MNSoxChief102]

Rotoworld expects him to get $16 million if he goes to arbitration

 

That would be a ridiculous raise... he made $12.5 last year. He had a solid season, but it wasn't Albert Pujols like or anything of the sort. A $2 million increase should be in line.

[MNSoxChief102]

From ESPN Insider MLB Rumors:

 

UPDATE: Ortiz is set to accept arbitration Wednesday, reports Enrique Rojas. Word was that Big Papi

wanted a two-year deal, but could get around $14-15 million via arbitration.

 

This could push the Red Sox toward a two-year agreement where they could potentially pay Ortiz $20-22 million for two seasons, instead, just for example.

 

If Ortiz makes it official and does accept the arbitration offer, it effectively removes him from he free agent market.

[Palodios]

So after his big mouthing off, and all the hurt pride comments... he goes out of his way to accept a one year deal. Oh man, why do I have a bad feeling about this?

[boy racer]

That would be a ridiculous raise... he made $12.5 last year. He had a solid season' date=' but it wasn't Albert Pujols like or anything of the sort. A $2 million increase should be in line.[/quote']

 

Yeah, how much does he need? We know he wants more money but that's just throwing him money for the hell of it.

[win red sox]

I think offering arb backfired on the FO, now it appears they have around 10 million to fill all the holes after signing Ortiz, I would go ahead and let it go to arbitration and give him his 15 million and consider it a lesson learned. Now it appears we'll be scratching the bottom of the barrel for 2 starters, bullpen help, rt handed of, not to mention this means Lavernway will be sent to AAA. It appears this FO is willing to take a step back this year(another bridge year) and start focusing on next years offseason. What a disaster!!!!

[redsoxrules]

They just might as well give him 2 / 20

[jacksonianmarch]

The 2/20 doesnt get it done IMO. Ortiz has the sox by the balls. He called their bluff and won. He, well actually, his agent knows the market now. He know that if he stands pat, and goes to arb, he makes at least $14 million, most likely $15 or $16. So, if he knows this, does he think he could get more than $4-5 mil in 2013 if he has a good yr? And remember who we're talking about here, Ortiz has a lot of confidence. He thinks he's gonna have a good yr, so if he does that, has a great yr and goes out into the FA market, what's his value? Maybe $9-10 mil? So, why should he accept anything less than $24 mil over 2 yrs?

[MNSoxChief102]

The 2/20 doesnt get it done IMO. Ortiz has the sox by the balls. He called their bluff and won. He' date=' well actually, his agent knows the market now. He know that if he stands pat, and goes to arb, he makes at least $14 million, most likely $15 or $16. So, if he knows this, does he think he could get more than $4-5 mil in 2013 if he has a good yr? And remember who we're talking about here, Ortiz has a lot of confidence. He thinks he's gonna have a good yr, so if he does that, has a great yr and goes out into the FA market, what's his value? Maybe $9-10 mil? So, why should he accept anything less than $24 mil over 2 yrs?[/quote']

 

I agree. Now that I've had a chance to think it over, personally, I'd rather we just offer him 2 years, $25 million and call it a day. The extra $3-4 million we'd save this year could then be used to solve another spot on the roster.

[a700hitter]

They just might as well give him 2 / 20

He has a good shot of getting $15 million for 2012. Unless he falls flat on his face or gets injured, he'll do better than $5 miilon for 2013.. Hell we pay Jenks more than that. There is no way 2/$20 million gets it done.

[SoxSport]

The Red Sox are slowly becoming what the Yankees were for a little while: a big payroll' date=' brand name team where instead of making actual improvements it's about bringing guys back based on some sentimentality and the ability to market the person. Ortiz isn't needed, let him go, actually build the team with what is needed please.[/quote']

 

I agree. They did him a favor offering him arbitration--which he has now wisely accepted.

After all, it's binding to the team--not to him. He can still sign somewhere else. In doing so, they have limited their pitching options.

 

Their loyalty to ageing players like Tek, Wake and Ortiz has hurt the team's development.

Even with Papi's unexpected comeback last year. You could say CC's signing last year made

Papi a DH luxury they could not afford.

[a700hitter]

I agree. They did him a favor offering him arbitration--which he has now wisely accepted.

After all, it's binding to the team--not to him. He can still sign somewhere else. In doing so, they have limited their pitching options.

 

Their loyalty to ageing players like Tek, Wake and Ortiz has hurt the team's development.

Even with Papi's unexpected comeback last year. You could say CC's signing last year made

Papi a DH luxury they could not afford.

Can he sign elsewhere if he accepts arbitration?

[sleepyhollow]

LAS -- According to a source close to the situation, as of Tuesday evening David Ortiz hadn't yet determined whether or not he would accept arbitration. The free agent designated hitter has until midnight Wednesday to make a decision. The plan was for Ortiz' agent, Fern Cuza, to talk again with the Red Sox before any determination can be made.

 

ESPN Deportes had reported Tuesday night that Ortiz would be accepting the Red Sox offer of arbitration.

 

The source confirms a report made earlier Tuesday by ESPNBoston.com that Ortiz is seeking a two-year contract worth $25 million, while the Red Sox had been offering two years at $9 million per season.

[jung]

Did not like the decision to offer him arbitration when they made and like it less and less the more the press is floating the idea that the Sox will not bust the luxury tax cap this season. If they were never going to bust the cap this season how in God's name can they justify paying Ortiz 1/14 with enough pitching holes to drive a truck through. Frankly, if Ortiz takes 1/14 and the Sox do not bust the cap I would call that about the dumbest front office move I have seen in a good long time. They are going nowhere without pitching and you can't buy much pitching with $8-9M to spend.

 

If they are lucky Ortiz will be stupid enough to reject arbitration. Frankly he would be doing the Sox a monster favor to do so.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Did not like the decision to offer him arbitration when they made and like it less and less the more the press is floating the idea that the Sox will not bust the luxury tax cap this season. If they were never going to bust the cap this season how in God's name can they justify paying Ortiz 1/14 with enough pitching holes to drive a truck through. Frankly, if Ortiz takes 1/14 and the Sox do not bust the cap I would call that about the dumbest front office move I have seen in a good long time. They are going nowhere without pitching and you can't buy much pitching with $8-9M to spend.

 

If they are lucky Ortiz will be stupid enough to reject arbitration. Frankly he would be doing the Sox a monster favor to do so.

 

The front office spewing this ******** about not paying luxury tax this year is a joke. If they sit back and let a few million stand in their way of trying to wash away the bad taste this team left last season then f*** them.

[a700hitter]

The front office spewing this ******** about not paying luxury tax this year is a joke. If they sit back and let a few million stand in their way of trying to wash away the bad taste this team left last season then f*** them.

If they get budget conscious after last season, I think they'll be making a mistake. The stench from last year will carry over to 2012 unless they come out of the box strong in April.

[jung]

Well one thing I did not even realize because the articles I read must have been posted just before they did this but apparently they managed to bust the tax limit in 2010 by a lousy $1.5M. First time they had done it since 2007. One thing I have often said, if you are down to 0% tax and bust the cap for the first time from 0% don't bust it small cause that is going to be lowest rate you are going to pay. Don't know how they managed to bust it by so little but I can't believe they planned it that way.

 

Now I have to back and check the numbers for 2011. The last time I had done that they were slightly under (perfect) and remember they had messed around with the timing of AGons contract so that it would not count in the 2011 numbers. So now I don't trust my 2011 numbers either. If they also busted the tax cap in 2011 they are really up the creek without a paddle as it would really limit the likelihood that they would bust it this year as well.

[sleepyhollow]

9:26 pm 12/5/11

Ortiz has accepted arbitration