2012 Who will be our manager?

[seabeachfred]

I'm honestly astounded by some of the conclusions you guys are coming up with here hahaha.

 

Well User, it is all guesswork on our parts along with a little gut feeling to go along with it. When you dispense strong opinions you always run the risk of looking a little foolish, but right now things are proceeding a bit slowly, don't you think? We need something to take hold of and the Red Sox's new manager is a topic just about all of us are interested in. If you have better ideas tell me about them. I'm all ears because I still don't really know what is going on in those Fenway Park offices.

[User Name]

From LL:

 

"I don't know that that's accurate," said team president Larry Lucchino when asked if their search will consist of more experienced candidates, reports Rosenthal. "We're not in any rush," added Lucchino."[Terry Francona] was hired first week of December."

 

And Schilling having something to do with his hiring is pure conjecture.

 

From Cherington:

 

Cherington says his bosses did not undercut him during the process, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post . "Absolutely not. I don't know where that comes from," he said.

 

Dude's been on the job for a couple weeks, and the complaining about him is already reaching critical mass. Patience people.

[SoxSport]

Well User' date=' it is all guesswork on our parts along with a little gut feeling to go along with it. When you dispense strong opinions you always run the risk of looking a little foolish, but right now things are proceeding a bit slowly, don't you think? We need something to take hold of and the Red Sox's new manager is a topic just about all of us are interested in. If you have better ideas tell me about them. I'm all ears because I still don't really know what is going on in those Fenway Park offices.[/quote']

 

The clues are in what the Globe guys are writing every day at Boston.com. You have to read the articles. They pick stuff up.

[User Name]

The Globe guys know just about the same amount of stuff we know about the process, which is nothing.

[Laser Show]

The Cubs just inked Sveum to a dealio.

[SoxSport]

The Cubs just inked Sveum to a dealio.

 

Looks like Cherington got overruled. He has been exiled to Cuba.

[randywatson]

Can't say I am unhappy about the Cubs not the Red Sox getting Sveum. But the whole affair makes Cherington look foolish and inept.

 

Elk, with all due respect,

 

Do you not think that if Sveum really wanted the job, then the Cubs offer woukd be irrelevant?

 

Personally, is say Cest La Vie to Sveum, his loss, not ours.

 

The RedSox are arguably the biggest baseball team in the world, and if Sveum thinks he's bbig enough to try and force us to make an offer before we're ready to, then that's a bullet dodged

 

Id live to see Maddux change his mind though, that'd be the best case scenario

[jung]

For those that think there is nothing to support Valentine as the owners choice, reports coming out now that Valentine has already had one meeting recently "and will have others".

 

This by the way on top of Cherington saying that "there were no plans to add any additional candidates to the process". How much more could they do to prove that Cherington is just a glorified janitor and the "process" is a sham.

[SoxSport]

Just posted in the Herald insider:

 

Cherington said the club had decided "the possibility existed for the club to speak with another candidate with more major league experience." A club source has confirmed the Red Sox are speaking to Bobby Valentine about being the Red Sox manager.

 

Sorry I can't copy and paste on this damn windows 7.

 

There is a also a story in the NY Post about this today.

 

The Globe said very early in the process Valentine was a favorite of Henry.

[jung]

By the way, I am not talking about Valentine because he is my choice...far from it but I think for whatever reason that is where JH wants to go. I think it will just be another bad move on the part of the Sox and I think it will also be yet another move designed for Show with very little benefit for Go.

[Laser Show]

There's no way the Cubs are sending us Castro or Garza, you guys are nuts. We'll be lucky to get a mid-level prospect with any upside.

[SoxSport]

In most organizations, the person who hires (and fires) you is two levels above you.

 

In the Red Sox organization, it is Lucchino, not Cherington, who is two levels above the manager.

Cherington may be doing the groundwork for the manager search, but it's probably Lucchino's call as to who manages.

 

This is the way organizations operate. These things tend to get overlooked in the media.

[jacksonianmarch]

Valentine goes against every media report in terms of the characteristics of who they are looking for. They want a "Yes" man in the dugout with big league experience. He has the latter, but he will not be the former.

[RonVermette]

Sounds like a manager won't be picked till next month. I'm fine with that as long as Cherington is seriously working on Ortiz & a couple of pitchers.

[seabeachfred]

The clues are in what the Globe guys are writing every day at Boston.com. You have to read the articles. They pick stuff up.

 

A little difficult reading those articles when you live on the left coast Sox Sport, but I guess I could get some of those blurbs from Boston.com. The clues do seem to change every day from what I've read.

[Laser Show]

Sounds like a manager won't be picked till next month. I'm fine with that as long as Cherington is seriously working on Ortiz & a couple of pitchers.

 

Ortiz is a mistake. Leave the DH spot so the position players can get a break.

[jung]

In most organizations, the person who hires (and fires) you is two levels above you.

 

In the Red Sox organization, it is Lucchino, not Cherington, who is two levels above the manager.

Cherington may be doing the groundwork for the manager search, but it's probably Lucchino's call as to who manages.

 

This is the way organizations operate. These things tend to get overlooked in the media.

 

There is no question that BC would not have been allowed to make the choice here. However, his process or at least the candidates developed from it are pretty close to being completely ignored which means that BC's bosses either did not give him clear instructions or he did not follow them or the entire process is bogus. It is not an issue of who actually does the hiring.

[User Name]

There is no question that BC would not have been allowed to make the choice here. However' date=' his process or at least the candidates developed from it are pretty close to being completely ignored which means that BC's bosses either did not give him clear instructions or he did not follow them or the entire process is bogus. It is not an issue of who actually does the hiring.[/quote']

 

As far as reports go, it's supposed to be an unanimous decision between the three of them, with LL having the last word if they can't decide. None of us knows how they actually operate, however, and speculating is a waste of time.

 

They will choose a manager when they choose a manager. They're obviously working on scouting and signing players at the same time, so why does it matter anyway?

[SoxSport]

There is no question that BC would not have been allowed to make the choice here. However' date=' his process or at least the candidates developed from it are pretty close to being completely ignored which means that BC's bosses either did not give him clear instructions or he did not follow them or the entire process is bogus. It is not an issue of who actually does the hiring.[/quote']

 

Not necessarily. Cherington says Valentine is on the list and was considered early--and interviewed.

Lucchino has now said that Lamont is also a leading candidate.

 

Cherington's job was to put together a list and arrange interviews. At least it looks that way. It also looks like Lucchino and/or Henry want somebody with managerial experience who has been successful at the major league level. The bottom line is it's Lucchino's call--two levels above.

 

What's puzzling is that Cherington didn't get the message putting the list together. His apparent priority was getting somebody compatible with the FO. Maybe not the priority for Lucchino/Henry.

[jung]

I would say the only element of this whole managerial business that matters is:

The degree to which the organization in total understands that 2011 was an organizational failure, the extent to which they are willing to change and the degree to which BC is a GM in name only.

[mvp 78]

Anyone but Valentine please.

[Elktonnick]

I would say the only element of this whole managerial business that matters is:

The degree to which the organization in total understands that 2011 was an organizational failure, the extent to which they are willing to change and the degree to which BC is a GM in name only.

 

BC's creds with his peers just suffered a body blow. There is an old saying " Never talk to the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room."

[VA Sox Fan]

Anyone but Valentine please.

 

I'm so afraid he will be the next manager. :thumbdown

[FredLynn]

I'm so afraid he will be the next manager. :thumbdown

 

What is your objection to having Valentine as manager?

I think he is exactly what we need.

[Youk Of The Nation]

If Bobby Valentine is hired, I will kick Ben Cherington in the nuts so hard, it will retroactively sterilize every male in his family going back seventeen generations, therefore causing an infinitely repeating temporal paradox in which Ben Cherington was never born but I still kick Ben Cherington in the nuts every ten seconds for however long it takes until the space-time continuum implodes and all existence as we know it comes to an end.

 

Either that, or I'll just become a Cubs fan. Oh, wait, no, I already talked about the universe ending.

[jung]

I don't know if this is anything the players would care about but it always seemed to me that Valentine press conferences were so much about him....his strategy...his move at a particular point in the game....etc. Again the players may not care at all but I would likely get tired of hearing it. Obviously not a critical factor unless his press conferences are a reflection on everything else he does as a Manager.

[Youk Of The Nation]

His complete lack of skill at disguising himself is enough to send up warning flags for me. What's his stolen base strategy? Having the guy on first yell "LOOK OVER THERE!"?

[iortiz]

After all this "complex" diligence and names, Valantine? Really?

[FredLynn]

IMO Valentine is exactly the kind of no-nonsense manager this team needs right now. Does anyone here think that Lackey and Beckett would be playing video games in the clubhouse during ball games with him as manager? If Cherington told him to do something and he thought it would decrease the chance of winning I think he would have the cajones to stand up for what is right.

[mvp 78]

What is your objection to having Valentine as manager?

I think he is exactly what we need.

 

He's a garbage manager who is more worried about his personal image than winning. What does he bring to the table aside from media presence? Nothing.