Josh Beckett

[3rdManOut]

If he pulls this crap next season can we push him to the "Evil Empire" and they can deal with his s**t down there?

[FredLynn]

If he pulls this crap next season can we push him to the "Evil Empire" and they can deal with his s**t down there?

 

I wonder what goes on in the Yankee clubhouse. My guess is that its far more professional than ours is. As much as I hate the Yankees, I respect the way they conduct themselves, for the most part. Jeter exemplifies what it means to be "professional" at what he does (with rare exceptions); so does Mariano Rivera. I doubt Girardi would allow that kind of nonsense to go on in their clubhouse.

[jung]

Not only is Jeter a professional, he is their captain. Have you seen the way Jeter glares at guys on the field when they screw up and how they respond? What is Tek going to do, glare out from the dugout? I still don't much believe in captains in baseball but if you are going to have one and depend on him to lead he has to be playing at a high enough level to at least be on the field. Also I am not suggesting that showing your displeasure with a teammate on the field of play works for everybody. However the Yanks clearly respect Jeter and follow his lead. The true leader of the Sox has to be Peddey but he is not team captain and he does not approach leadership the same way Jeter does anyway.

[FredLynn]

Not only is Jeter a professional' date=' he is their captain. Have you seen the way Jeter glares at guys on the field when they screw up and how they respond? What is Tek going to do, glare out from the dugout? I still don't much believe in captains in baseball but if you are going to have one and depend on him to lead he has to be playing at a high enough level to at least be on the field. Also I am not suggesting that showing your displeasure with a teammate on the field of play works for everybody. However the Yanks clearly respect Jeter and follow his lead. The true leader of the Sox has to be Peddey but he is not team captain and he does not approach leadership the same way Jeter does anyway.[/quote']

 

I don't see Pedey as a real captain because he is too intense to be around. It works for his personal productivity and earns him the admiration of the fans, and justifiably so, but having Pedey as captain would be like having a boss with ADHD. We don't have anyone with the qualities necessary to be captain right now.

[ipot]

This is not an original idea with m, but I'm here in NYC and over the months many NY sports pundits have chattered about the Mets and Sox swapping different scenarios. The Mets are in major salary dump mode because they are bleeding money.

 

Do you go swap Beckett for Santana? Wright is exactly the kind of 3Ber we need as well.

Also, think about this: Lackey's numbers will drop in Citi Field; it's a pitcher's park. It's also the NL.....

 

Dare I say it? Beckett/Lackey for Santana/Bay....even if Bay flops, the other alternative is that we'd still be eating Lackey's money anyway. So, it's a washout.

[jung]

I don't see Pedey as a real captain because he is too intense to be around. It works for his personal productivity and earns him the admiration of the fans, and justifiably so, but having Pedey as captain would be like having a boss with ADHD. We don't have anyone with the qualities necessary to be captain right now.

 

I actually agree with that. I guess I just said it a little different way. I don't know who could captain this team right now either and I suspect they would be better off without a named captain. Heck I really and truly prefer not to see named captains in baseball and even if you have them I think that C thing on the Jersey is ridiculous. This isn't hockey or football.

[ipot]

I actually agree with that. I guess I just said it a little different way. I don't know who could captain this team right now either and I suspect they would be better off without a named captain. Heck I really and truly prefer not to see named captains in baseball and even if you have them I think that C thing on the Jersey is ridiculous. This isn't hockey or football.

 

Hi jung. New here. I 3rd that. I don't know who will step up to be a leader next year. The "C" thing is not a baseball thing. I agree. It might be in their best interest to bring in a veteran guy to play off the bench.

Someone like a Sean Casey-type. He was well-liked everywhere he went; that's why they called him "The Mayor." A real team guy who kept his teammates loose. Guys like Millar or Lowell. Wonder if they could entice Lowell to be a bench coach....

[FredLynn]

Hi jung. New here. I 3rd that. I don't know who will step up to be a leader next year. The "C" thing is not a baseball thing. I agree. It might be in their best interest to bring in a veteran guy to play off the bench.

Someone like a Sean Casey-type. He was well-liked everywhere he went; that's why they called him "The Mayor." A real team guy who kept his teammates loose. Guys like Millar or Lowell. Wonder if they could entice Lowell to be a bench coach....

 

Having no captain is fine with me, but who goes to homeplate before each game for the coin toss?:harhar:

[ipot]

I will give it an even chance that Beckett will resort to 2010 form.

 

Not wishing it, but you look at his game logs and he is consistently streaky.

 

You don't know when he's gonna go on a 10 start super tear or go the other way.....after the ASB he became average again.

[Elktonnick]

Having no captain is fine with me' date=' but who goes to homeplate before each game for the coin toss?:harhar:[/quote']

 

I always thought Captain on a MLB team was a bit silly.

[TeddyBallGame9]

I wonder what goes on in the Yankee clubhouse. My guess is that its far more professional than ours is. As much as I hate the Yankees' date=' I respect the way they conduct themselves, for the most part. Jeter exemplifies what it means to be "professional" at what he does (with rare exceptions); so does Mariano Rivera. I doubt Girardi would allow that kind of nonsense to go on in their clubhouse.[/quote']

 

Spot on, pumpsie!!

[Elktonnick]

More to the point, I don't think Jeter would either

[3rdManOut]

I thought Jason Bay was actually pretty good when he was here. I mean his numbers were ok weren't they?

[jung]

I thought Bay's numbers were pretty good while he was here when compared to his career numbers. His plate numbers have fallen off since he left here but still not bad. Where would you suggest he would play back here....right field?

 

Thankfully he is under contract so it would be a matter of trading for him or paying money for him. One lingering concern I have over the 2011 mess is the number of guys as free agents that might be brought here that extract a penalty for how ugly things got and the risk that it happens again. I would guess that it will be hard to extract any home town discount from guys like Paps for the same reason. Geez we might end up absorbing the opposite of home town discount, the home town surcharge.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I always thought Captain on a MLB team was a bit silly.

 

This.

 

Who cares about having a C on your uniform.

[FredLynn]

This.

 

Who cares about having a C on your uniform.

 

We sure needed one this year. Where was Varitek when all this nonsense was going on? Why wasn't OUR Captain in the faces of those goons who were downing frosties in the clubhouse when the ship was sinking?

IMO the captain is the guy who will do just that: maintain some level of discipline amongst the players; someone who the guys respect and will listen to when he talks because he is known as a hard working successful veteran who has been in the organization for a while. While its not necessary to have a captain, I do think that its very useful. We had a captain this year; he just didn't do his job, the job he accepted when he agreed to wear the "C" on his jersey.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

There should be no captain at all.

[Elktonnick]

We sure needed one this year. Where was Varitek when all this nonsense was going on? Why wasn't OUR Captain in the faces of those goons who were downing frosties in the clubhouse when the ship was sinking?

IMO the captain is the guy who will do just that: maintain some level of discipline amongst the players; someone who the guys respect and will listen to when he talks because he is known as a hard working successful veteran who has been in the organization for a while. While its not necessary to have a captain, I do think that its very useful. We had a captain this year; he just didn't do his job, the job he accepted when he agreed to wear the "C" on his jersey.

 

Re: this whole thing with Beckett, I was going over what Mazz asked Henry during their radio interview yesterday. John Henry said Beckett was injured. Mazz shot back in a sarcastic way " like when he "slipped" after that team meeting in Toronto. What's up with that?" Henry never answered and moved on. Maybe I making too much of the comment, but the inference I drew from Maazz's question is that there was some physical altercation around that meeting. We now know that the players were upset about the meeting because it was about one guy, Beckett. Anyone have a another take?

[BossSox]

There should be no captain at all.

I respectfully disagree. After all of this, if there's anything this team needs, it's a leader.

[jung]

A captain (without C on uniform) can be OK if you have the right guy on your team for that job. But if you don't have the right kind of guy then it becomes a negative not a positive.

 

It has to be one of your everyday players that starts for one thing so that narrows the field. Of those guys, Peddey is too single minded and best used as a leader by example. Youk is too caustic and I don't think he would want it. AGons is simply not a guy I want in the kind of role we think of for captain. Ells is a bit distant. Both Salty and Larvarnway have enough to do just handling their catching assignments. It sure as hell is not Crawford until he gets his own house in order. Bay might be fine if he came back in part because he would be coming back although he would not be a captain in the Jeter mold. Not sure if Ortiz will be here and he seems to have entered a period in his career where his focus is on how he finishes out his career.

 

Remember these guys are not drill sergeants. There is just so much they can do at least the way things are in major league baseball. There are a certain number of players that the manager cannot get in the faces of, never mind a captain. That is why there is so much focus on personal responsibility because there is very little you can do with a player under contract particularly if he has a long term contract at big money. it is simply to easy for him to tell you to go s*** in your hat.

 

The guys that can pull off effective captaincy in baseball are few and far between. I can't for the life of me remember if he was one but Dewey Evans would have been a good Red Sox captain for example. Nomar comes to mind MaYBE, maybe Remy for a short period., Barrett maybe for a short period.....Yaz.

 

At the same time that I think Evans would have been a good one I don't think I would have wanted Freddy Lynn in that role. You can't be too much any which way. You can't be milk toast and you can't be fire either.

[TedWilliams101]

I respectfully disagree. After all of this' date=' if there's anything this team needs, it's a leader.[/quote']

 

What good is a leader when the rest of the team won't listen to them? What we need is guys that are TEAM first, not just a collection of talent with one voice.

 

That said, I have no problem with having a captain or even a couple, but it means nothing if the rest of the team doesn't care.

[BoSoxFanNY]

I wish this team had a manager like Doc Rivers.

He stresses TEAM - there is no I in team.

 

(NOW I know that in basketball the players have to be in sync -

but, this 2011 BoSox team did not seem to have a team spirit.)

[FredLynn]

I wish this team had a manager like Doc Rivers.

He stresses TEAM - there is no I in team.

 

(NOW I know that in basketball the players have to be in sync -

but, this 2011 BoSox team did not seem to have a team spirit.)

 

Rivers has Garnett on the team. No player would misbehave and risk getting KG in his face. Davis tried to misbehave and KG made him cry on the bench.

We have no one like that on our team. We need one.

[SoxSport]

The important thing is to get some leadership from the manager.

[a700hitter]

They need to get all of the pitchers running in spring training. They need lots of road work before camp breaks and they need to maintain a running program between starts. These guys had terrible stamina. The 100 pitch count thing is ridiculously stupid. They need to be stretched out earlier in spring training. Starters should be conditioned to go 7 innings every time out even if the pitch count is high. The only time they shouldn't work into the 7th or 8th should be if they are getting hammered.

[ORS]

They need to get all of the pitchers running in spring training. They need lots of road work before camp breaks and they need to maintain a running program between starts. These guys had terrible stamina. The 100 pitch count thing is ridiculously stupid. They need to be stretched out earlier in spring training. Starters should be conditioned to go 7 innings every time out even if the pitch count is high. The only time they shouldn't work into the 7th or 8th should be if they are getting hammered.

I agree, and hopefully one of the questions for new manager candidates during the hiring process is something like this, "Do you have a 7-run rule for starting pitchers?"

[a700hitter]

I agree' date=' and hopefully one of the questions for new manager candidates during the hiring process is something like this, "Do you have a 7-run rule for starting pitchers?"[/quote'] The funny thing is that Tito probably doesn't realize that he managed according to a 7 run rule.

[SoxSport]

This thread says "Beckett".

 

It just occurred to me Beckett has been one of those on-year, off-year pitchers since he came to the Red Sox.

I wonder if his conditioning--or lack of it off and on--has anything to do with it?

 

He doesn't come out of this looking like a very disciplined guy. It takes dedication to be consistently great in sports.

[SoxSport]

The funny thing is that Tito probably doesn't realize that he managed according to a 7 run rule.

 

Make that the 100 pitch rule. Good or bad. 0 runs or 7 runs and out.

 

That's why some people say he left starters in too long, others say too short.

 

That explains it.

[SoxSport]

Buchholz says in Abraham's Globe column tonite that Beckett was a hard worker this year.

(Sorry I can't copy and paste across icons on this damn windows 7/E9.)

 

I would have to believe him, based on Beckett's performance this year, except for his last couple of starts.

 

Buchholz also says Young was laid back and not as demanding as Farrell.

 

One of the Red Sox problems is they had too many coaches that were like the manager--laid back and easy going. They forgot about what it takes to win.