2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Definitely... This offseason has had a lot of debate but very few moves yet. Paradoxical.

 

Not a paradox. If moves were made, there'd be far less debate.

[seabeachfred]

Sox are now out of the Edwin Jackson running:

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/16174/source-sox-out-of-the-picture-on-jackson

 

 

No Oswalt, now no Jackson.......

 

Are you trying to tell me you're surprised by that? It's been one ******** story after another about these two guys maybe signing with us and if you throw Floyd into the mix this whole sad story has become a cottage industry in itself. Oswalt has said that he doesn't want to pitch in the American League and I would suspect that goes double for the AL East. So he is a lily livered chicken s*** who wants to take the path of least resistance and so the hell with him. Jackson has stars in his eyes courtesy of Boras and thinks he is worth more than he is, and, besides, Cherington has been low balling them since he feigned interest in them. Barring some cataclysm neither one is coming to Boston so get ready to root on Garmano Miller, Maine, Cook, Silva, Haeger and Padilla. Quite an august body to choose from, don't you think????

[seabeachfred]

I'm not sure what to believe. This morning I hear Gammons thinks we are the favorites and it is likely that he signs a one year deal. Now ESPN says a source is saying the opposite. I hope that the source is wrong and that he is still thinking about Boston.

 

Let me put some new colors in your paint box RS3---Gammons is full of s***; he is wrong more times than he is right and has turned out to be the flim-flam man of the press. I don't know where people get the impression that he has inside sources because he doesn't. You don't come out and proclaim Mark Teixeira is ours only to find out he isn't and has gone over to the enemy. I haven't believed a damn thing he said since.

[win red sox]

I don't see why the Red Sox traded Scutaro if they aren't going to make a legitimate offer to a top pitcher. We got worse with this trade if they don't sign a big name pitcher.

 

maybe they traded him become he had zero range, for christ sakes even jeter had more range. I haven't seen Aviles play much shortstop, but I'm sure the red sox advanced scouts have and believe it or not they probaly know more about Aviles than us. Offensively we might lose a little on the obp but will gain on the slugging, so as far I'm concerned this is an upgrade, of course I also believe that are rotation is better than last years.

[jung]

Well I do think the Sox at some point must have switched gears and went from focused on Oswalt to focused on Jackson. I suspect that Oswalt's rumored preferences are more than rumored and the Sox finally decided they were pissing into the breeze. That said I still don't think the Sox are willing to engage in bidding wars for any of these guys and I think that will finally if anything end any real chances they have with regard to Jackson or Oswalt.

 

That does not mean they will not end up with somebody. However the closer we get to ST I wonder if they will give the "gang of 12 or whatever" their shot to impress hoping somebody distinguishes himself before trying to reengage with some team for a pitcher. That might be another takeaway from BC's most recent comments which coincidentally come as we are getting closer to ST.

[mvp 78]

Let me put some new colors in your paint box RS3---Gammons is full of s***; he is wrong more times than he is right and has turned out to be the flim-flam man of the press. I don't know where people get the impression that he has inside sources because he doesn't. You don't come out and proclaim Mark Teixeira is ours only to find out he isn't and has gone over to the enemy. I haven't believed a damn thing he said since.

 

But Gordon Edes is gospel?

 

Good to know that you over the top biases aren't limited to the BoSox.

[jung]

I think Gammons might have gone Hollywood. He seemed to have better insight at one point in his career. Must have started to read his own press clippings.

 

Pardon my own bias but Edes is an idiot. YMMV of course.

[seabeachfred]

Of course he will. And of course the Red Sox say they're "content" with their team as is even though they're desperately looking for a pitcher as per multiple reports.

 

They are not acting like they're desperate with their skin flint offers. Unless the pitchers in question have nothing better none of the pitchers mentioned---Oswalt, Jackson or that phantom free agent some people keep talking about----are going to sign for the s*** change Cherries is offering. It sounds to me like Prune Face Henry is holding on to his wallet and giving all of us a big middle finger.

[NativeBostonian]

maybe they traded him become he had zero range' date=' for christ sakes even jeter had more range. I haven't seen Aviles play much shortstop, but I'm sure the red sox advanced scouts have and believe it or not they probaly know more about Aviles than us. Offensively we might lose a little on the obp but will gain on the slugging, so as far I'm concerned this is an upgrade, of course I also believe that are rotation is better than last years.[/quote']

 

Yes, and Nick Punto is so much better. I'm not the first guy to stick up for him. Heck, I have talked bad about him here and there. But, he is a decent SS that doesn't get the credit that he deserves.

[seabeachfred]

But Gordon Edes is gospel?

 

Good to know that you over the top biases aren't limited to the BoSox.

 

Who said anything about Edes being gospel? I sure as hell didn't and for the record I consider him the biggest boot licker of the bunch. You say you lived in So. Cal but I don't know if you were there when Edes was covering the Dodgers. He was the biggest brown nose and yes man of the whole LA Press contingent and never was uttered a discouraging word about "his" Dodgers even though they sucked much of the time. In fact, if Peter O'Malley ever went for a walk and stopped short Edes would have been halfway up his ass.

 

No MVP, Edes is not gospel by any means; again, in my opinion the biggest Red Sox front office ball washer in the crowd but it doesn't change the fact that Gammons is wrong more times than he is right and if you want my opinion take everything he says with a very fine grain of salt.

[mvp 78]

Who said anything about Edes being gospel? I sure as hell didn't and for the record I consider him the biggest boot licker of the bunch. You say you lived in So. Cal but I don't know if you were there when Edes was covering the Dodgers. He was the biggest brown nose and yes man of the whole LA Press contingent and never was uttered a discouraging word about "his" Dodgers even though they sucked much of the time. In fact, if Peter O'Malley ever went for a walk and stopped short Edes would have been halfway up his ass.

 

No MVP, Edes is not gospel by any means; again, in my opinion the biggest Red Sox front office ball washer in the crowd but it doesn't change the fact that Gammons is wrong more times than he is right and if you want my opinion take everything he says with a very fine grain of salt.

 

Edes in CA was before my time. I only mentionned him because you had no problem letting him work you into a frenzy the other day.

[User Name]

They are not acting like they're desperate with their skin flint offers. Unless the pitchers in question have nothing better none of the pitchers mentioned---Oswalt' date=' Jackson or that phantom free agent some people keep talking about----are going to sign for the s*** change Cherries is offering. It sounds to me like Prune Face Henry is holding on to his wallet and giving all of us a big middle finger.[/quote']

 

Well i'll be damned. I thought you were supposed to make an offer that's competitive but not overzealous and then negotiate from there, just like the Yankees did with Kuroda.

 

Ben is an idiot. They should hire Fred to do the negotiations. Only way we'll get a decent pitcher.

[jopete19]

"Jayson Stark of ESPN is reporting that theRed Sox have potential interest in trading for SS Jason Bartlett"

 

Good God!

[mvp 78]

Well i'll be damned. I thought you were supposed to make an offer that's competitive but not overzealous and then negotiate from there, just like the Yankees did with Kuroda.

 

Ben is an idiot. They should hire Fred to do the negotiations. Only way we'll get a decent pitcher.

 

With this kind of attitude, I'm going to have to put you on ignore!

[User Name]

With this kind of attitude' date=' I'm going to have to put you on ignore![/quote']

 

I'm sorry, i couldn't help myself. I'm a polyanna.

[User Name]

"Jayson Stark of ESPN is reporting that theRed Sox have potential interest in trading for SS Jason Bartlett"

 

Good God!

 

Nononononononononononononono

[mvp 78]

I'm sorry' date=' i couldn't help myself. I'm a polyanna. [/quote']

 

I can't hear what you're saying, you're on ignore. What turnip truck are you driving these days, boob?

[User Name]

I can't hear what you're saying' date=' you're on ignore. What turnip truck are you driving these days, boob?[/quote']

 

Hey that's not a clever nickname! It's in use already!

 

How about "User Jane" instead of "User Name". You know, as an insult to my manhood amirite?

[jopete19]

Nononononononononononononono

 

I would not like this move!

[mvp 78]

I would not like this move!

 

They are only considering it because they read the Scutaro thread on here and decided to get a 4th SS for Spring Training.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Nononononononononononononono

 

Lmao, the same reaction as me. STAY THE f*** AWAY.

[jacksonianmarch]

Why the f*** would you make that move? He was good for a 1.8WAR last yr, but his UZR/150 has been under 0 for the past 3 seasons. He doesnt walk a ton, he doesnt hit for a high average and he costs $5.5 mil. And the funny thing is, looking at his career norms, the guy is effectively the player he was in SD and TB from 2010 to now. His crazy 2009 season was driven by a BABIP of .364. And another funny thing is that the guy he would be replacing costs effectively the same amount and had a WAR over 1 win higher last yr, AND Scutaro has had better UZR/150 numbers the last 3 seasons. Why the f*** would you downgrade a position in every conceivable way for the same cost?

[iortiz]

Bartlett over Scutaro? Was this the master plan? ...Nahhh this is a damn joke.

[jopete19]

Why the f*** would you make that move? He was good for a 1.8WAR last yr' date=' but his UZR/150 has been under 0 for the past 3 seasons. He doesnt walk a ton, he doesnt hit for a high average and he costs $5.5 mil. And the funny thing is, looking at his career norms, the guy is effectively the player he was in SD and TB from 2010 to now. His crazy 2009 season was driven by a BABIP of .364. And another funny thing is that the guy he would be replacing costs effectively the same amount and had a WAR over 1 win higher last yr, AND Scutaro has had better UZR/150 numbers the last 3 seasons. Why the f*** would you downgrade a position in every conceivable way for the same cost?[/quote']

 

My point exactly! Bartlett vs Scrutaro. Not much difference.

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually, there is a fair amount of difference. Scutaro is the better player in all phases of the game

[jopete19]

Actually' date=' there is a fair amount of difference. Scutaro is the better player in all phases of the game[/quote']

 

Well $&^% we are getting worse

[jung]

There must be some print media on this somewhere but the Sports Tonight talking heads are reporting that there is a snag now in getting the extra WC team this year. The Players Association is stepping in and asking the "what is in it for us" question from what I can see. The extra WC can very well be derailed for this year according to these guys.

[NativeBostonian]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7528920/boston-red-sox-gm-adding-starting-pitcher-unlikely

So they just traded our SS because winning is overrated?

[SCM33]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7528920/boston-red-sox-gm-adding-starting-pitcher-unlikely

 

 

GM: No meetings with Roy Oswalt BOSTON -- Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington said Wednesday night that it is unlikely the team will add a starting pitcher in the near future despite a source saying earlier in the day that Boston "had a great chance" to sign free agent Roy Oswalt.

 

"I wouldn't rule out adding a starter, but it's unlikely at this point,'' Cherington said Wednesday before a "town hall" meeting at Worcester Technical High School that was taped for airing Thursday on NESN.

 

More On The Red Sox

 

Gordon Edes and the rest of the ESPNBoston.com team have the Red Sox covered for you. Blog

Earlier Wednesday, a major league source said Oswalt still has not decided where he will pitch next season and that the Red Sox "had a great chance" of signing him. The same source had indicated late Friday night that Oswalt would be signing with the St. Louis Cardinals "soon."

 

Cherington said Wednesday he has had no meetings with Oswalt, in contrast to the Texas Rangers, who met with him on Monday.

 

A Red Sox source confirmed Wednesday that the team had not abandoned hopes of signing Oswalt, indicating that the 34-year-old right-hander may have a better chance at a regular turn starting with Boston than with the other two clubs, both of whom appear to have filled their rotations.

 

The Cardinals and Rangers, however, have the advantage of being closer to Oswalt's Mississippi home, the Red Sox source said. Oswalt's agent, Bob Garber, had been quoted Saturday as saying that Oswalt would not take a bullpen job.

 

"I'm not sure anybody but (Oswalt), his family and his agent know what he's going to do,'' the Red Sox source said.

 

Also Wednesday, a baseball source said that the Red Sox have made an offer but are "most likely out of the picture" for Edwin Jackson, the top starting pitcher remaining on the free-agent market, because there are better deals on the table from other clubs.

 

Boston's offer to Jackson was for one year and between $5 million and $6 million, according to the Boston Globe. Jackson has said from the get-go that he was seeking a multiyear deal.

 

The 28-year-old Jackson, a Scott Boras client, was 12-9 with a 3.79 ERA last season, which was split between the Chicago White Sox and Cardinals.

 

The Red Sox go into camp with three certainties in their rotation: Jon Lester, Josh Beckett and Clay Buchholz. They plan to bring relievers Daniel Bard and Alfredo Aceves to camp with the intention of them becoming starters, and Cherington has signed three experienced starters with injury histories -- Vicente Padilla, Carlos Silva and Aaron Cook -- to minor league deals with an invitation to big league camp.

 

Manager Bobby Valentine told reporters last week that another starting pitcher was not "at the top of my wish list," and the Red Sox might elect to stay put for the time being to see what other options develop between now and the regular-season opener.

 

Gordon Edes covers the Red Sox for ESPNBoston.com.

 

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Wow, cant wait....I am so excited to watch this team this year. I am friggin pumped about third place again. I guess on the bright side, I will save a lot of money as I will not buy a single f***ing ticket to watch them this year.

 

Sellout streak of 10+ years, highest tickets in baseball.....and they are worried about saving 1.5M on Marco Scutaros cap hit. Its too bad we are such a small market team.....teams like us, the Pirates and the KC Royals have to worry about players like Marco Scutaros cap hit and the luxury tax penalty.

[NativeBostonian]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7528920/boston-red-sox-gm-adding-starting-pitcher-unlikely

 

 

 

 

Wow, cant wait....I am so excited to watch this team this year. I am friggin pumped about third place again. I guess on the bright side, I will save a lot of money as I will not buy a single f***ing ticket to watch them this year.

 

Sellout streak of 10+ years, highest tickets in baseball.....and they are worried about saving 1.5M on Marco Scutaros cap hit. Its too bad we are such a small market team.....teams like us, the Pirates and the KC Royals have to worry about players like Marco Scutaros cap hit and the luxury tax penalty.

I feel like going to the gym now and taking out my anger.