2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[example1]

Do you want that we agree in everything they do/say? Is that what you are trying to say? Can't we judge them? Are they the untouchables or something?

Sorry, but I'm not agree.

 

You don't need to agree or disagree. Do what you like.

 

I'm not stopping you from posting, I'm just pointing out that withholding judgment is actually an option. There is still plenty you could post about, it just wouldn't have such an authoritative tone.

[User Name]

Let's just look at something right now. The projected opening day lineup, rotation and pen

 

1. Ellsbury CF

2. Pedroia 2B

3. Gonzalez 1B

4. Youkilis 3B

5. Ortiz DH

6. Ross LF

7. Saltalamacchia C

8. Sweeney RF

9. Punto/Aviles SS

 

1. Beckett

2. Lester

3. Buchholz

4. Aceves

5. Bard

 

CL- Bailey

SU- Melancon

MR- Morales

MR- Albers

MR- Doubront

MR- ???

MR- ???

 

This is bound to change quite a bit between now and Opening Day, but i think the other two relievers will end up being Alex Wilson and Alfredo Aceves. I don't think Aceves breaks camp as a starter.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's be interesting. I would have said that Bard wouldnt break camp as a starter. We'll see. Regardless, with the way pitchers are babied these days, Bard will likely end up in the pen come September anyway to keep his IP down

[User Name]

That's be interesting. I would have said that Bard wouldnt break camp as a starter. We'll see. Regardless' date=' with the way pitchers are babied these days, Bard will likely end up in the pen come September anyway to keep his IP down[/quote']

 

Good point. But if they're in a position to make the playoffs, they'll only need three starters for the Divisional Round anyway, and if they're out of it why risk it?

[jacksonianmarch]

Good point. But if they're in a position to make the playoffs' date=' they'll only need three starters for the Divisional Round anyway, and if they're out of it why risk it?[/quote']

 

Not necessarily. Remember, one series has 1 day off, another has 2. If the sox get the series that has 1, then it'd be hard to do. Especially if the sox are a wild card and need to burn Beckett in a do or die game.

[iortiz]

You don't need to agree or disagree. Do what you like.

 

I'm not stopping you from posting, I'm just pointing out that withholding judgment is actually an option. There is still plenty you could post about, it just wouldn't have such an authoritative tone.

 

do I sound with an authoritative tone?

 

Never my intention E1. I will try to find a better way to express my ideas, though.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

You don't need to agree or disagree. Do what you like.

 

I'm not stopping you from posting, I'm just pointing out that withholding judgment is actually an option. There is still plenty you could post about, it just wouldn't have such an authoritative tone.

 

looking from the outside of all this, the only people that really seem to have an authoritative tone are people like you and User Name

[Elktonnick]

looking from the outside of all this' date=' the only people that really seem to have an authoritative tone are people like you and User Name[/quote']

 

Well said

[jacksonianmarch]

Lets put an end to the bickering right now. As currently constructed, the sox have a fair amount of flaws. There. That satisfies the optimists who think the sox are going out and getting another pitcher. That satisfies the pessimists who think the sox havent done enough

[iortiz]

You're missing the point in your attempt to get on the defensive. It seems to me that the problem here has to do with you and reading comprehension. (No offense)

 

I have not argued that, as they are currently constructed, they have a great chance to win the World Series, because they don't. What i am disputing is the notion that they will not add another pitcher to the staff and that is the final product they will put on the field.

 

I'm not in a defensive mode. Why should I do that?

 

All I'm saying is that if we go like this, IMO, we ain't going anywhere. (5-6 AL team). I'm trying to be realistic. On the other hand, I want that we win the ring, you bet.

 

What am I missing?

[User Name]

looking from the outside of all this' date=' the only people that really seem to have an authoritative tone are people like you and User Name[/quote']

 

You're not on the outside looking in. As i've said before, you have your own bias, and mostly post to stir the pot or complain about other posters who don't agree with your negative views.

 

You're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

 

Sorry, but it's the truth. Feel free to tell me to "shut the f*** up" or come up with some other clever form of attack.

[User Name]

I'm not in a defensive mode. Why should I do that?

 

All I'm saying is that if we go like this, IMO, we ain't going anywhere. (5-6 AL team). I'm trying to be realistic. On the other hand, I want that we win the ring, you bet.

 

What am I missing?

 

This is not realistic. It's defeatist. Different things.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lets put an end to the bickering right now. As currently constructed' date=' the sox have a fair amount of flaws. There. That satisfies the optimists who think the sox are going out and getting another pitcher. That satisfies the pessimists who think the sox havent done enough[/quote']

 

Lol. s*** ain't happening. Enjoy losing brain cells reading through the thread.

[iortiz]

This is not realistic. It's defeatist. Different things.

 

Well, a lot experts/analyst/polls/betting firms put us in that seed. I agree with them. if we go like this, IYO, What is our rank, then?

[iortiz]

You're not on the outside looking in. As i've said before, you have your own bias, and mostly post to stir the pot or complain about other posters who don't agree with your negative views.

 

You're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

 

Sorry, but it's the truth. Feel free to tell me to "shut the f*** up" or come up with some other clever form of attack.

 

BPEF is a very friendly, nice and intelligent poster. He is not a problem at all.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

You're not on the outside looking in. As i've said before, you have your own bias, and mostly post to stir the pot or complain about other posters who don't agree with your negative views.

 

You're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

 

Sorry, but it's the truth. Feel free to tell me to "shut the f*** up" or come up with some other clever form of attack.

 

I don't have a bias. Believe whatever you want to, but I sure don't. There has been plenty of times I've agreed with you, and plenty of times I have not. I don't try to stir anything up at all, and I certainly don't have negative views. That negative view s*** is just something you made up right now. For an example of this you can go back and look at my posts from the regular season and see how many times I disagreed with a700 and clashed with him, yet now I pretty much I agree with him.

 

And there is no solution because there is no problem. At least there isn't a problem for the people on this board who like to discuss things without getting so disgruntled over what others believe.

 

And no, I won't tell you to shut the f*** up or any of that garbage because I won't stoop to the same level you have of calling people idoits or acting condescending just because I don't agree. Believe whatever you want, that is fine, but stop getting on people's ass and acting pretentious just because they think differently than you.

[seabeachfred]

Well' date=' in all fairness to your daughter, she grew up living in CA with a dad who wasn't a Sox fan when she was young. Why would she become a Sox fan just because her dad did when she was in her 20s?[/quote']

 

Very true MVP but by the time she met my son-in-law Scott in 2002 I had already made the conversion but that didn't impress her at all. She went with Scott and my wife to the dark side and left me hanging there all by myself. Just didn't do a good enough job.

 

BTW, are you planning of visiting California anytime soon? Let me know if you do.

[iortiz]

I don't have a bias. Believe whatever you want to, but I sure don't. There has been plenty of times I've agreed with you, and plenty of times I have not. I don't try to stir anything up at all, and I certainly don't have negative views. That negative view s*** is just something you made up right now. For an example of this you can go back and look at my posts from the regular season and see how many times I disagreed with a700 and clashed with him, yet now I pretty much I agree with him.

 

And there is no solution because there is no problem. At least there isn't a problem for the people on this board who like to discuss things without getting so disgruntled over what others believe.

 

And no, I won't tell you to shut the f*** up or any of that garbage because I won't stoop to the same level you have of calling people idoits or acting condescending just because I don't agree. Believe whatever you want, that is fine, but stop getting on people's ass and acting pretentious just because they think differently than you.

That's the problem with this guy, reason why he has had a lot of problems with several posters.

 

Hell, I have agreed with him a lot of times as well, and he has great ideas but he is kind of annoying when he insults other posters. I do not like that. Hopefully he changes his attitude.

[example1]

looking from the outside of all this' date=' the only people that really seem to have an authoritative tone are people like you and User Name[/quote']

 

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just not the one creating demeaning nicknames for GMs with zero seasons under their belt.

[seabeachfred]

THANK YOU. SBF you should really consider this' date=' seriously.[/quote']

 

RS305, if you read carefully around the nicknames and sarcasm of some of my posts you would see that I lay out what I think is wrong with the current team, where the front office may have gone wrong and what they might to rectify the hole we may be in. You and others should pay less attention to the nicknames and more to the content. I try to use humor and sarcasm for effect, the effect being it eases up on the frustration and anger I might have to what I see is stumbling by the powers-that-be. I promise I will go to the World Series if we get into it but right now I have my doubts it will happen this season.

[mvp 78]

Very true MVP but by the time she met my son-in-law Scott in 2002 I had already made the conversion but that didn't impress her at all. She went with Scott and my wife to the dark side and left me hanging there all by myself. Just didn't do a good enough job.

 

BTW, are you planning of visiting California anytime soon? Let me know if you do.

 

After tax season sometime as my wife goes back each quarter for work.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

RS305' date=' if you read carefully around the nicknames and sarcasm of some of my posts you would see that[b'] I lay out what I think is wrong with the current team, where the front office may have gone wrong and what they might to rectify the hole we may be in[/b]. You and others should pay less attention to the nicknames and more to the content. I try to use humor and sarcasm for effect, the effect being it eases up on the frustration and anger I might have to what I see is stumbling by the powers-that-be. I promise I will go to the World Series if we get into it but right now I have my doubts it will happen this season.

 

....ok. You've been told multiple times by multiple posters that the names weren't funny. They're not creative either. It's hard to focus on the content when their isn't much. Yes you do lay out what you think is wrong with the team but then you go acting like you're a GM, when in reality, you're not.

[seabeachfred]

UN, it is easy for people to be both down on the sox and up. The optimists point to the fact that they were the best team in baseball for a 120 game stretch and the fact that they should start out the yr healthy. The pessimists look at the fact that they crumbled down the stretch because their pitching fell apart and as it stands, they've either gone backwards or stood pat compared to last yr. I dont think you can kill someone for being a pessimist, just like the pessimists shouldnt kill you for being optimistic.

 

Realistically, the sox have a bruising lineup, an average pen, and a starting rotation with the potential to be the best in the game but lacks true depth, lacks durability and proven back end performance. If things break right, they're in the playoffs. If things break wrong, it's a lost season. If they break about even, though, that's where the worriers are worrying. If you only lose one pitcher from your rotation for a substantial period of time (it happens to everyone), then what are your options? If you lose one position player for a prolonged period of time, what are the contingencies? (You're already down Crawford for the beginning). If healthy, the sox are world series caliber. But they havent been truly healthy in 3 seasons and return a similar cast of characters.

 

Maybe it takes a Yankee fan to make User and others understand that our potential success this year may be hanging by a thread Jacko. Maybe User will listen more to y ou than he does 700, iortiz or me. He seems to be off in his own little corner of the world.

 

BTW, I said something very simiar earlier in a post and got nowhere. Maybe seeing it from your end will give him some religion on the matter.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He is an expirienced man. He has watched a loooot of baseball.

 

So? Just because he's watched a loooot of baseball doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.

[seabeachfred]

Who's to say they won't? Are you certain? Is anyone on the site certain?

 

And who says they will? You? Are you certain on that? No, you're not, anymore than some of us who say they won't. It's conjecture. The problem is you and 305 don't like what some of us say because we disagree with both of you. To each his own; we'll see how this plays out. Again, everything has to go right this year for the Red Sox to win the division and go deep in the playoffs. That is my opinion, not y ours, mine, and I'm entitled to it. Most writers and pundits at this moment would tend to agree more with me, iortiz, 700, Pumpsie and Elktnnick than they do with you and 305. So let's see how this plays out.

 

BTW, our friend 305 was one of the two posters who swore to mathewsala (sic) that I wasn't a Red Sox fan, no way in hell he said. If that didn't make him look like a complete fool I don't know what did, but I let it pass because to me it was no big thing. Now about you and him let some of us who disagree with your take on things have our say. It's all a matter of opinion now anyway.

[iortiz]

So? Just because he's watched a loooot of baseball doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.

 

IMO he knows a lot about the game.

[seabeachfred]

....ok. You've been told multiple times by multiple posters that the names weren't funny. They're not creative either. It's hard to focus on the content when their isn't much. Yes you do lay out what you think is wrong with the team but then you go acting like you're a GM' date=' when in reality, you're not.[/quote']

 

Come on 305, we're all GM's on this board, real wannabes. That's part of the fun. Besides, don't you want to see some real passion from a "real Red Sox fan like me"?

[Elktonnick]

IMO he knows a lot about the game.

 

For the record Fred has also taught the game.

[seabeachfred]

IMO he knows a lot about the game.

 

Hey my good friend, I'm taking a hiatus until tomorrow. Going to the movies to see the new Liam Neeson flick about the wolves. Knowing my love of canines, I'll probably be rooting for them over the pale faces. Have a great evening.

[iortiz]

For the record Fred has also taught the game.

 

I did not know it, but It is clear to me that he knows a lot about the game.