2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[Divinity]

I think that the worst part of this is that we missed out on having a pitcher named "Dick Harden" we could have ran with that for months.

 

 

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/6/2/dc6fe9a6-513a-47f0-8f28-6a828ef6f2d4.jpg

[AtWork]

Would've heard by now probably.

 

You never know, sometimes it takes 2 or 3 hours after the deadline.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Wow lol.

[italstallianion]

 

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/6/2/dc6fe9a6-513a-47f0-8f28-6a828ef6f2d4.jpg

 

 

 

Nice. I'm going to fire up my gameboy color and pokemon red and get right on that. lol

[Dojji]

I wonder if the Sox did anything else that is just taking a bit to be reported.

 

I won't be sure they didn't until tomorrow.

[SoxSport]

That Yankee dick-licker Heyman came on MLB.com and said the Red Sox were the big losers in the trading, because Bedard 'doesn't fit the Red Sox" and he was bombed his last start. What a dickhead Yankee apologist he is.

 

Rosenthal, a bit more objective, came on later and said the Yankees were the big losers--for obvious reasons. They better hope that angel dust Colon is taking lasts the whole season. Not to mention Garcia. The great overachievers.

 

I think the winners were the Phillies and the Rangers. The Red Sox did damn good, too--considering they didn't give up any top prospects like some of the other teams did.

 

Take a look at that Bedard deal. That's Theo at his best. They clearly had done a lot of groundwork on the deal with the Dodgers trying to get Kuroda. When Kuroda backed out, they had the pieces to give the Dodgers, who in turn had a piece (Robinson) to give Seattle, which was looking for offense.

 

So Seattle gets two minor league sluggers, Robinson and the Asian guy (name?) from the Sox, and bingo, the Sox have Bedard. And somehow, a 95 mph U. Georgia closer , #1 draft choice, slips in their package, too. I don't know where he came from.

 

If you've followed Bedard, you know he has pitched well this year, then tweaked his knee and was out a month. Then came back and showed he still has it. I feel pretty confident going into the playoffs with Lester-1, Beckett-2, Bedard-3. hopefully Buchholz there, too.

[Dojji]

Chih-Hsien Chiang.

 

And if Fields amounts to anything I'll be stunned. He has no idea whatsoever where the ball is going.

[SoxSport]

Chih-Hsien Chiang.

 

And if Fields amounts to anything I'll be stunned. He has no idea whatsoever where the ball is going.

 

You know closers. You just throw a lot of heat for one inning. But you gotta have the heat.

They throw enough practice pitches, they have a good pitching coach, they find the plate.

But you can't teach the heat.

[a700hitter]

If Bedard is able to stay healthy, we will like him very much. Theo dropped the ball in a big way by not getting a RH RFer. The Phillies scored big by getting Pence.

[Dojji]

You know closers. You just throw a lot of heat for one inning. But you gotta have the heat.

They throw enough practice pitches, they have a good pitching coach, they find the plate.

But you can't teach the heat.

 

You also have to get it over the plate. If he could do that he wouldn't be walking a batter an inning in AAA.

[SoxSport]

The Globe doesn't know anything about Fields.

 

Elsewhere, I found:

He was drafted by Seattle no.20 overall in 08. Had a good record in AA ball, 2-1, 2.xx era

9 games in AAA 6.xx era. U Georgia closer. looks like he needs seasoning but still has potential. not a bad pickup.

No sense in jumping to conclusions about this kid after 9 games in AAA.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

Whoever does needs to take Lackey with him please.

 

I think Lackey is going to surprise a lot of people down the stretch. I think he looks good. He will be our #3 starter in the post-season over Bedard.

Just my opinion, but I think Lackey is looking up recently, (last 4 starts).

[AtWork]

I think Lackey is going to surprise a lot of people down the stretch. I think he looks good. He will be our #3 starter in the post-season over Bedard.

Just my opinion, but I think Lackey is looking up recently, (last 4 starts).

 

I'm not going to hold my breath, but he does have a history of being a second half starter.

 

2009 before ASB - 4.93 ERA, 1.45 WHIP

2009 after ASB - 3.05 ERA, 1.11 WHIP

 

2010 before ASB - 4.78 ERA, 1.60 WHIP

2010 after ASB - 3.97 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

 

2011 before ASB - 6.84 ERA, 1.54 WHIP

2011 after ASB - 3.44 ERA, 1.69 WHIP

[InfernoOrangeSS]

I'm not going to hold my breath, but he does have a history of being a second half starter.

 

2009 before ASB - 4.93 ERA, 1.45 WHIP

2009 after ASB - 3.05 ERA, 1.11 WHIP

 

2010 before ASB - 4.78 ERA, 1.60 WHIP

2010 after ASB - 3.97 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

 

2011 before ASB - 6.84 ERA, 1.54 WHIP

2011 after ASB - 3.44 ERA, 1.69 WHIP

 

I just think he takes a ton of grief here. I know he has not been the brilliant pitcher everyone expected when he signed the gigantic deal. I can offer no defense to that. I just think he is a much better pitcher than a lot of fans, (including my wife), give him credit. I see him stepping it up in the stretch run and being a difference maker.

[AtWork]

The Yankees offered to pay $21MM of the $38MM left on Wandy's contract, but that wasn't enough for the Astros.

The Guardians and Blue Jays were both interested in Rodriguez, both only in a three-team scenario that would have sent him elsewhere. Presumably, the Yankees were that third team.

The $38MM left on Rodriguez's contract makes him a prime August waiver trade candidate, but is there a chance a team claims him? "None," said one executive Heyman.

[AtWork]

The Red Sox have Wakefield listed as their starter on August 3rd. It looks like Bedard could pitch for us on Saturday against the Yankees. As of now, that series would set up as:

 

Lester vs. Garcia

Bedard vs. Sabathia

Beckett vs. Hughes

[InfernoOrangeSS]

That's it for Bedard, he was pulled after 1 and a third after giving up 3 runs. He was very wild but as you can see from the graphic, when he was throwing strikes they were often called balls and when he threw pitches outside of the zone the hitters were getting hits on them. Not a good outing, but his stuff was good. He was throwing 92-93 mph on his fastball and had a very good curve.

 

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Very interesting. I think someone said that he did not take a rehab start in the minors. If that's true and this was his "rehab" start, then I think he will do a lot better in the coming weeks.

I do not have any fear that he will "crumble" under the pressure of the Boston media. I think the team will take care of him to the extent that it becomes a non-issue.

[Palodios]

I definitely wasn't a fan of Bedard through the week when we were discussing this, but looking at the deal, it is clear that Theo did some real dealing on this one.

 

Federowicz probably didn't project very good offensively, but I'd always hoped he would have emerged as a "good-enough" bat to push his glove to the majors. The others seemed like filler to me. I'm okay with sending a few low ceiling prospects for a rental that has the stuff to pitch to a 3.00 ERA.

[Spitball]

I am always disappointed when the Sox fail to make a significant acquisition at the trade deadline, but honestly big trades rarely make that big a difference. I remember 1967 when the Sox traded promising first baseman Tony Horton for Gary Bell who had a 1-5 win-loss record with the Guardians. It seemed like a wasted trade when it was announced. Bell went 12-8 for the Bosox the rest of the way and really helped solidify the rotation. As Cody Ross showed last year, it is often the seemingly minor acquisitions that make the biggest differences.

 

The Sox are a very good team, and Bedard certainly won't hurt their chances. He comes at no cost to the current team's makeup.

[Palodios]

I'm also surprised that the Red Sox didn't even seem to be in on any of the relief pitching. Considering how many innings the bullpen has, I figured they'd do a little bit more to relieve Bard/Papelbon, but that just means they are confidant in who they have... which they very well should be.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

I definitely wasn't a fan of Bedard through the week when we were discussing this, but looking at the deal, it is clear that Theo did some real dealing on this one.

 

Federowicz probably didn't project very good offensively, but I'd always hoped he would have emerged as a "good-enough" bat to push his glove to the majors. The others seemed like filler to me. I'm okay with sending a few low ceiling prospects for a rental that has the stuff to pitch to a 3.00 ERA.

 

I definitely agree. The best news to me was that we did not clear out the farm system of what we had for what was available out there...Bedard, Harden, et. al.

 

Shrewd trade that should reap some reward for us....though I still think Bedard is our #4 starter at best.

[AtWork]

It's kind of strange there are this many questions about Bedard's makeup. Let's remember the source though, Bedard doesn't get along with the media. Former teammate Bruce Chain had the following to say about him before he was dealt.

 

"If somebody could get him it would be a great pickup," said Chen, who played with Bedard in Baltimore from 2004-06. "He's going to be not only a guy who would help you finish a season but also help you in the playoffs.

 

"He's tough. He has very good stuff. He's a tough competitor. He knows how to pitch. He isn't afraid to pitch inside. He's definitely an ace when healthy. He's kind of like a [Jon] Lester but doesn't throw as hard."

 

As for his injury history, he's pitched almost twice as many innings as Colon the previous three years.

[AtWork]

Peter Gammons

Post Kuroda, Red Sox plan was to get Bedard and Harden, but for conditions on Harden meds. Sea wanted Lavarnway.

 

Looks like we tried to acquire both but didn't think Harden was worth it after seeing his medicals.

 

As for the medical the Yankees wanted on Jiminez:

 

Jack Curry of the YES Network hears that the Yankees wanted a shoulder MRI for Ubaldo Jimenez, but the Rockies declined (Twitter link).

[iortiz]

After all this talk... Who is happy with this couple of trades?... I'm not that happy' date=' so... they better produce.[/quote']

[AtWork]

I'm not ecstatic, but I'm pleased with the trades we made. Perhaps McDonald who's hitting .276/.400/.586 on the month of July and traditionally hits lefties well can fill the role of RH outfielder and Okajima with a 2.48 ERA in Pawtucket can fill the role of lefty reliever.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

I don't think the Yankees were wrong in asking for the MRI. I think they did well in passing on UJ...same for my Sox. I am glad we did not get him. By the end of the year, you will see that he is not what everyone thinks he is. There is no other reason that CR was willing to trade him. Sorry Cleveland....I think you bought a pig in a poke.

[AtWork]

I don't think the Yankees were wrong in asking for the MRI. I think they did well in passing on UJ...same for my Sox. I am glad we did not get him. By the end of the year' date=' you will see that he is not what everyone thinks he is. There is no other reason that CR was willing to trade him. Sorry Cleveland....I think you bought a pig in a poke.[/quote']

 

I agree, you don't mess with shoulder issues because doctors usually can't fix them.

[iortiz]

I'm not ecstatic' date=' but I'm pleased with the trades we made. Perhaps McDonald who's hitting .276/.400/.586 on the month of July and traditionally hits lefties well can fill the role of RH outfielder and Okajima with a 2.48 ERA in Pawtucket can fill the role of lefty reliever.[/quote']

 

Good point.

 

I've been a huge detractor Of McD but being fair he has improved... Seems like the DFA phantom made an impact on him.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

Okajima with a 2.48 ERA in Pawtucket can fill the role of lefty reliever.

 

I think Oki-Doki can fill that position better than anyone we could have acquired in trade. I miss Okijima, and I think he will be our lefty out of the pen.

 

 

[redsoxbeatz]

The Red Sox have Wakefield listed as their starter on August 3rd. It looks like Bedard could pitch for us on Saturday against the Yankees. As of now, that series would set up as:

 

Lester vs. Garcia

Bedard vs. Sabathia

Beckett vs. Hughes

 

need to switch Bedard and Beckett on that. Hope Tito can make the adjustment.