2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[MNSoxChief102]

I want Garza, badly, but the Cubs are douches and refuse to trade him. I'd put together a package for him and Jeff Baker. That's a deal where I'd consider giving up some of our top minor league talent.

 

Edit: Chad Billingsley also looks like a very good option as well, quietly having a pretty solid season.

 

I would give up a solid package of prospects to get Billingsley... he's the real deal and would guarantee we'd be able to match up if not exceed the rotation of any team we'd face going forward.

 

Edit: Nevermind... I was thinking of Kershaw, not Billingsley. I'd make the trade for him, but not if it costs us a ridiculous amount to do it.

[BornToRun]

I would give up a solid package of prospects to get Billingsley... he's the real deal and would guarantee we'd be able to match up if not exceed the rotation of any team we'd face going forward.

 

Edit: Nevermind... I was thinking of Kershaw, not Billingsley. I'd make the trade for him, but not if it costs us a ridiculous amount to do it.

 

I'd trade my left nut for Kershaw.

[Dojji]

Yeah let's trade for another guy who dominates out west, and in the National League this time. That worked out so very well in the past.

 

Given the sheer number of pitcher's parks in the NL West, how can you justify bringing in a guy who's a tick over average out there, and a guy who, despite good stuff, is definitely a pitcher hitters can beat, into one of the best hitters-for-average parks in major league baseball? Billingsley would be brutalized in the AL East, especially at Fenway, the same way Lackey was. Lackey was pretty much Billingsley for the Angels after all.

[BornToRun]

Yeah let's trade for another guy who dominates out west, and in the National League this time. That worked out so very well in the past.

 

Given the sheer number of pitcher's parks in the NL West, how can you justify bringing in a guy who's a tick over average out there, and a guy who, despite good stuff, is definitely a pitcher hitters can beat, into one of the best hitters-for-average parks in major league baseball? Billingsley would be brutalized in the AL East, especially at Fenway, the same way Lackey was. Lackey was pretty much Billingsley for the Angels after all.

 

Okay man, chill out, it was just a suggestion.

[SCM33]

Yeah let's trade for another guy who dominates out west, and in the National League this time. That worked out so very well in the past.

 

Given the sheer number of pitcher's parks in the NL West, how can you justify bringing in a guy who's a tick over average out there, and a guy who, despite good stuff, is definitely a pitcher hitters can beat, into one of the best hitters-for-average parks in major league baseball? Billingsley would be brutalized in the AL East, especially at Fenway, the same way Lackey was. Lackey was pretty much Billingsley for the Angels after all.

 

Yeah, well you suggested Livan Hernandez. That might actually be a worse suggestion. Livan can barely touch 84-85 with his fastball. Livan in Fenway and Yankee stadium would have been a nightmare.

[Dojji]

I suggest Livan Hernandez because what we need is Livan Hernandez. An innings burner who won't break the bank to get.

 

You want to send out multiple prospects for a guy who's going to be a tick above average for the Sox if that. I want to go get a bottom of the rotation guy to make sure all the innings get eaten and the bullpen is saved while we keep all of our prospects iexcept the one B- guy it takes to bring Livan to Boston. You tell me which one is a bad move.

[SCM33]

I suggest Livan Hernandez because what we need is Livan Hernandez. An innings burner who won't break the bank to get.

He wouldnt be a innings burner in Boston, he would be a bullpen burner. We already have the best innings burner in the game in Wakefield.

 

You want to send out multiple prospects for a guy who's going to be a tick above average for the Sox if that. I want to go get a bottom of the rotation guy to make sure all the innings get eaten and the bullpen is saved while we keep all of our prospects iexcept the one B- guy it takes to bring Livan to Boston. You tell me which one is a bad move.

Livan would not eat innings. He would be leaving the game down 5 runs in the second inning. He would kill the bullpen. In theory, the suggestion makes sense because of Livans durability (hes on pace for his 12th season of 200+ innings), but he is worthless if he is getting hammered all over Fenway.

 

We all agree that we do need another arm, so thats good. :thumbsup:

[MNSoxChief102]

I suggest Livan Hernandez because what we need is Livan Hernandez. An innings burner who won't break the bank to get.

 

You want to send out multiple prospects for a guy who's going to be a tick above average for the Sox if that. I want to go get a bottom of the rotation guy to make sure all the innings get eaten and the bullpen is saved while we keep all of our prospects iexcept the one B- guy it takes to bring Livan to Boston. You tell me which one is a bad move.

 

I'd rather see Miller, Weiland, et al from Pawtucket pitch out the remainder of the year than see Livan Hernandez in a Sox uni. At least they have a chance at pitching well enough to stick around into the 5th or 6th inning.

 

Livan Hernandez couldn't hack an entire season with the Twins in a relatively weak AL Central division... what makes you think he'd survive two months in the AL East?

[BornToRun]

Plus, I'm not saying sell the farm for Billingsley. If there's a reasonable deal there, I say make it. Just because Lackey has been bad, doesn't mean he will be.

[Dojji]

He wouldnt be a innings burner in Boston' date=' he would be a bullpen burner. We already have the best innings burner in the game in Wakefield.[/quote']

 

Livan is better than Wakefield at what Wakefield does at the bottom of rotations. He has also never failed to get to 180IP in a given year no matter how ugly his ERA looked, so I suspect he wouldn't be pulled early nearly as often as you're suggesting.

 

I put forward that on this team in a full season Livan could be 12-10 with an ERA in the 5's. over 180-200 innings pitched.

 

Of course the guy I really want is Jeremy Guthrie. A guy who can keep a cool head and keep on pitching in Baltimore deserves a chance to play for a winner. But I'm gonna have to wait for that because the O's aren't going to let like their one competent pitcher go anytime soon unless he forces the issue.

[redsoxbeatz]

Something is gonna happen soon! I hope its a SP !! -- who knows how long Lackey will be "okay" and whether or not Buch will ever heal up and/or get injured again

[iortiz]

While I certainly would be upset to see the Sox overreact and give away a top level prospect for Beltran, I wouldn't be at all opposed to putting together a big package to get Hunter Pence. You don't trade away blue chip prospects for veteran players who's best years are behind them, but to get a guy in his prime like Pence, it's something to consider.

 

A package consisting of Iglesias, Reddick, Weiland/Doubront, and another mid-level guy would be where I'd start. It would dent our farm system for sure, but we'd still have Renaudo and Kalish waiting in the wings, and given Theo's excellence in stockpiling draft picks and finding really good players throughout the draft I'd be willing to do it to get a guy like Pence in the fold.

 

I can only imagine how awesome our offense would be with Pence in RF... he would be a monster in Fenway IMO

 

+1. As I been saying... I would never ever give any prospect for Beltran, no way! If we don't have the cash or they don't accept just $, then... Carlos is not for us.

 

Now, if we talk about Hunter Pence or an elite SP, that is another lady. I would go the same way.

[iortiz]

SP! SP! SP! SP!

[lasitter]

I suggest Livan Hernandez because what we need is Livan Hernandez. An innings burner who won't break the bank to get.

He should come cheap, but he won't ever get that Wheaties product endorsement with his ties to a Puerto Rican drug dealer.

[a700hitter]

I thought that you would change your mind... hehehehe

 

Pence is the only rescuable from the Astros. He is 28; his numbers this season? .315/.339/.481/.819.

through 5 seasons ? .291/.339/.481/.819; vs LHP .290 vs RHP .291.

 

and now?

Still Beltran. In 2012, Kalish and Reddick can compete for RF. We don't need Pence long term. We need Beltran short term.

[a700hitter]

Livan Hernandez? Goodness! And he accuses me of judging players by their past.

 

The Sox should bring up Millwood before the deadline to see if he has anything to contribute. If he has nothing left, they should pursue Dempster.

[Palodios]

I'm still considering the possibility of the Red Sox trading AA players to the Mets. Who could it be? According to Soxprospects the rankings of players at that level goes something like this

 

Middlebrooks

Alex Wilson

Oscar Tejada

Alex Hassan

Federowicz

Chih Hsien Chiang

Jeremy Hazelbaker

Reynaldo Rodriguez

Tazawa

 

 

Middlebrooks should be completely offlimits at this level. Federowicz, I would bet they'd want to keep for organizational depth at catcher because it is so difficult to develop that position. As far as the rest of them, I am uncertain of what they would be thinking, and who would be worth it for the Mets to pick up.

[SoxFanForsyth]

+1. As I been saying... I would never ever give any prospect for Beltran, no way! If we don't have the cash or they don't accept just $, then... Carlos is not for us.

 

Now, if we talk about Hunter Pence or an elite SP, that is another lady. I would go the same way.

 

Hunter Pence is not part of the Red Sox makeup. In his best season, his OBP is around .340. He only sees 3.78 pitches per plate appearance. He's not a very patient hitter, doesn't work the count all that well. I know people can point to the Crawford signing, but Crawford's OBP was over .355 for 3 of the past 4 years, and the only year it was down, he was injured. Regardless, I wouldn't mortgage the farm for Pence, which is probably what we're going to need to do to get him.

 

As far as the starting pitching goes, tomorrow is going to be a big day in terms of deciding whether or not we make a move for a SP in the market. Buch throws off the mound tomorrow, and if all things go well, that's a big step in the right direction. If his back is feeling good, he could potentially be in a rehab stint by early August, and be with the team by around August 20th or so by my estimate. Theo won't trade a prospect for a month of SP, and we still have Wakefield, Miller, Weiland, Doubront, and Millwood to take over that 5th spot in the rotation once Buch does get back. Personally, I think it should be Weiland, and the Sox should see how well Miller's stuff could play in short spurts out of the bullpen. If his stuff can go from 91-93 as a SP to 95-98 out of the bullpen, that could make our already solid bullpen outstanding, assuming he gains his control out of the pen as well.

[SoxSport]

Livan Hernandez? Goodness! And he accuses me of judging players by their past.

 

The Sox should bring up Millwood before the deadline to see if he has anything to contribute. If he has nothing left, they should pursue Dempster.

 

Yeah. They really should be looking at Millwood before the trade deadline, instead of wasting innings on Wakefield.

[Interestedobserver]

Sounds like Beltran will move after the game tonight. The Phillies had all their scouts at the game and I wouldn't be surprised if they take three players. He hit another homer last night and his ops is 920 in a down year for offense. He could be in the MVP picture if he puts up big numbers for Philly in that bandbox.

 

Although here is a tidbit from the Post

 

 

The Mets are heavily scouting the Red Sox minor leagues. Names mentioned include outfielders Josh Reddick, who has stepped into right-field as J.D. Drew struggles, Ryan Kalish and pitcher Anthony Ranaudo.

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/amazin_author_angel_ic_ending_HacwVQS2tIu9M8Vu78PTwN

[SoxSport]

Pence isn't a superstar, but he's still getting better--OBP is .361 this year.

A multi-tool player who will hit well in Fenway.

A good investment to play RF full time if they can get him without giving up Iglesias.

It would cost them Kalish and another prospect for sure. They have the pieces.

 

They may be saving their prospects for Pence (vs Beltran). We'll see.

They could also wind up with Francouer for less.

One thing they should not do is stand pat. The OF is too left-handed.

 

After reading the Post article, I think Beltran is still in play.

They probably have a fair idea of what they have to give up for each player

mentioned above. Reddick is probably an excellent trade chip right now.

[Palodios]

Sounds like Beltran will move after the game tonight. The Phillies had all their scouts at the game and I wouldn't be surprised if they take three players. He hit another homer last night and his ops is 920 in a down year for offense. He could be in the MVP picture if he puts up big numbers for Philly in that bandbox.

 

Although here is a tidbit from the Post

 

 

The Mets are heavily scouting the Red Sox minor leagues. Names mentioned include outfielders Josh Reddick, who has stepped into right-field as J.D. Drew struggles, Ryan Kalish and pitcher Anthony Ranaudo.

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/amazin_author_angel_ic_ending_HacwVQS2tIu9M8Vu78PTwN

 

Reddick, Kalish, Ranaudo? What? There is no way we're talking about Beltran anymore. This must be about Reyes.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Reddick' date=' Kalish, Ranaudo? What? There is no way we're talking about Beltran anymore. This must be about Reyes.[/quote']

 

Oh no. The Mets are asking for a kings ransom for Beltran now that they are willing to eat some of his salary and he's the best hitter on the market.

 

I would trade Reddick + an AA player, but no more. I wouldn't touch Kalish, Ranaudo, Iggy, MIddlebrooks, or Lavarnway to start. I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

[Palodios]

Oh no. The Mets are asking for a kings ransom for Beltran now that they are willing to eat some of his salary and he's the best hitter on the market.

 

I would trade Reddick + an AA player, but no more. I wouldn't touch Kalish, Ranaudo, Iggy, MIddlebrooks, or Lavarnway to start. I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

 

If I was Theo, I would laugh in the their faces, and go a different direction. For the Mets to even be looking at those top five guys is a joke. The only possibility I can see here is if Beltran agrees to waive his arbitration status as a Type B FA, with a gentleman's agreement not to accept. That circumstance doesn't hurt Beltran at all, and since he'll get more exposure playing on a good team, it'll raise his value.

[SoxSport]

Reddick' date=' Kalish, Ranaudo? What? There is no way we're talking about Beltran anymore. This must be about Reyes.[/quote']

 

Hard to say for sure. I think Beltran wants to play in Boston. And then you have the Braves vs the Phillies. All things being equal, the Mets would probably want to deal him out of the division.

[Dojji]

No WAY you trade Reddick for Beltran. No WAY. That stops making sense as soon as this year ends. Kid is too close to establishing himself as a star player right here. You'd have to win the world series this year not to look back and regret that one, or the kid has to flame out. I don't like the odds either way.

[Interestedobserver]

Sandy has moved from iffy on moving Reyes to a flat no. Sandy is no nonsense who will state where he is coming from. If you disagree, he moves on, unlike Omar who would give fifty different answers.

 

And I think the article means to state they are looking at all five guys of which they get ONE of them back. They said they expect to get one very good player back and another piece.

[Dojji]

Most of us have figured that out, the issue is that any one of them is still too much to pay for 2 months of an pretty good right fielder when you've got a kid on the squad who looks like the real thing.

[Interestedobserver]

AND $6 million dollars.

[ORS]

I'm kind of on the fence about this one. With the Mets offering to kick in the $6M remaining on Beltran's contract, and teams balking at that offer preferring to take on the contract and give up little to no talent, the bottom line becomes....

 

Would you pay $6M to keep a Josh Reddick, Ryan Kalish, Anthony Ranaudo in your system?

 

From a bonus perspective, I don't think those guys combined to make $6M, but there's more to it than that. They've earned some stripes working their way through the minors. There's a higher level of confidence about their ability to play at the highest level. And, there's the value they provide by being able to play at the highest level in lieu of pricey free agents.

 

So, change the rules, suppose the Sox drafted them now, knowing what we know now about their play, do you sign any (all three) of them to a $6M signing bonus?

 

That's the question. I think you do, which makes the negotiations all that much more difficult.