2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[AtWork]

If we need to trade for an additional hitter for when/if Ortiz sits in the World Series, wouldn't it make sense to address a position where we don't already have someone hitting .367/.418/.671?

[Will617]

1.) It's $6 million

2.) Beltran is the premier player at a position all the contenders have holes at. Ludwick has a good shot at not being anything other than organizational filler and I doubt he gets offered arby.

3.) Why does it not matter that the Mets kick in $6 million in cash to pay Beltran's salary and yet Beltran's value is lower than Ludwick because Beltran has a higher salary?

4.) The year he was traded, Ludwick had a 1.9 WAR and a 733 ops. How is that anywhere near equivalent to Beltran who has a 912 ops and is on pace for a 6.5 WAR season?

 

I never said Ludwick's value was equivalent to Beltran's, what I said was that when you compare the difference in their values and what the Cardinals got for Ludwick, it shouldn't come out to a major piece like Reddick for Beltran.

The year Ludwick was traded, he had 2.1 WAR in about a half a season for the Cardinals. He then played terribly with the Padres (-0.2 WAR), but at the time he was a decent player (about 10.1 WAR in the 2.5 seasons he played before getting traded). If Beltran were moved to San Diego, he probably wouldn't be accumulating 6.5 WAR at the end of the season. Of course, he also isn't likely to collapse as terribly as Ludwick did unless his knee fell apart or something.

[Dojji]

If we need to trade for an additional hitter for when/if Ortiz sits in the World Series' date=' wouldn't it make sense to address a position where we don't already have someone hitting .367/.418/.671?[/quote']

 

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

Seriously people. Let's fix things that are actually broken.

[a700hitter]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

Seriously people. Let's fix things that are actually broken.

He's the best offensive player available and he is a switch hitter. That will be very big if we are facing Lee aand Hamel in the NL park.

 

Reddick will get some good experience this season and a shot at the starting job next season. We need to stock up for the playoffs.

[AtWork]

Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com was told that the Red Sox are unwilling to part with top-tier prospects to land Carlos Beltran in a trade.

"We're interested in Beltran but the price would have to be sensible," one Red Sox source told Edes. "We lost a lot of good prospects for (Adrian) Gonzalez and want to protect our better minor leaguers." Beltran is the top bat available and the Mets have expressed a willingness to eat his remaining salary, so odds are it will take a top prospect or two to get a deal done.

[AtWork]

There are much more effective ways to improve an offense than sitting a .367/.418/.671 hitter for a .293/.389/.523 one.

[AtWork]

Buchholz will throw off a mound Friday. That will be a very important throwing session.

 

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110719&content_id=21999518&notebook_id=21999522&vkey=notebook_bos&c_id=bos

[Jasonbay44]

There are much more effective ways to improve an offense than sitting a .367/.418/.671 hitter for a .293/.389/.523 one.

 

Reddick is not going to hit almost .370 all season, that number is bound to go down.

[Dojji]

It can go down quite a bit and still be somewhere between equivalent with Beltran, and not so much worse that you sacrifice prospects to replace him.

[AtWork]

Reddick is not going to hit almost .370 all season' date=' that number is bound to go down.[/quote']

 

I totally agree. But his sabermetrics are suggesting he's hitting this well due to talent and not luck, so I find unlikely that Reddick's going to completely drop off a cliff. His defense looks a lot better than Beltran's as well.

[Dojji]

It's kinda like ELlsbury in 07. He's a prospect running hot and due for a sophomore slump, but in the meantime there's no reason he can't continue to hit more or less well for the rest of this year

[Jasonbay44]

Im not saying Reddick is going to fall off the face of the earth or anything, I was just pointing out that number is bound to go down. Im fine keeping Reddick and not going after Beltran, as long as we can also acquire a right handed hitting outfielder to come off the bench.

[Palodios]

Let's pretend for a second, that Reddick is the real deal. In such a case, can we stop holding to the .367/.418/.671 line, and go with his more realistic numbers? Ie, a .250 average guy with 20+ home runs per season, with respectable, but not spectacular defense?

[AtWork]

I would rather keep a .250 hitter with 20+ home runs and above average defense for a few years than give up one or two of our best prospects for a few months of Beltran.

[MNSoxChief102]

I would rather keep a .250 hitter with 20+ home runs and above average defense for a few years than give up one or two of our best prospects for a few months of Beltran.

 

There is no way in hell that Theo will give up "one or two of our best prospects" for Beltran. Whoever gets Beltran only has him for 3 months and a playoff run, afterwhich arb can't be offered, which means no prospects back for him signing elsewhere in the off-season. Combined with his age and injury history, the Mets will be lucky to get a good prospect back in return, even if they eat money in the deal.

 

If a team wants to give a top level prospect, the Mets should and will run for the hills after signing off on the deal in record time. The Sox are not stupid or desperate enough to make that move. Perhaps the Giants or the Phillies are.

 

In the end, if Theo really wants Beltran I expect the Sox will send 4th OF type like Reddick or a back end starter like Weiland plus cash to the Mets to get the deal done.

[boston22407]

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Astros are now showing a "willingness" to trade Hunter Pence.

Olney reported Tuesday that interested teams had balked at the Astros' asking price, but he's now hearing from rival executives who "expect" Pence to be moved this summer. Pence is making $6.9 million this season and will get a significant raise via arbitration heading into 2012, so it only makes sense for Houston to get him off the books. But they'll certainly be seeking a big haul of young talent in return.

[Dojji]

pass

[AtWork]

There is no way in hell that Theo will give up "one or two of our best prospects" for Beltran. Whoever gets Beltran only has him for 3 months and a playoff run, afterwhich arb can't be offered, which means no prospects back for him signing elsewhere in the off-season. Combined with his age and injury history, the Mets will be lucky to get a good prospect back in return, even if they eat money in the deal.

 

If a team wants to give a top level prospect, the Mets should and will run for the hills after signing off on the deal in record time. The Sox are not stupid or desperate enough to make that move. Perhaps the Giants or the Phillies are.

 

In the end, if Theo really wants Beltran I expect the Sox will send 4th OF type like Reddick or a back end starter like Weiland plus cash to the Mets to get the deal done.

 

The Mets are definitely going to get a blue chip prospect in return for Beltran. He's the best hitter available on the market and the draft pick compensation is way overblown considering he may not even be a Type A.

[iortiz]

Yeah' date=' the numbers are cold. This is a guy who has faced the Nationals/Astros/Pirates for half his starts without DHs, and has fared poorly against AL teams, and you're willing to obliterate the farm and get rid of several significant pieces-- three of which we KNOW are already major league capable. Jimeniz is not Halladay. He is not Cliff Lee. He is not Felix Hernanedez. He is not a must-have pitcher. He is a #2/#3 on a real team, and a #4 on this one. You do not completely obliterate your team's future for a #4.[/quote']

 

Again!, he is a 3.6 ERA career pitcher, like it or not. He has faced all kind of teams, and I could show you great numbers/performances against solid teams and then you probably the opposite and this will go nowhere. But that is not my point; my point and the fact is that we need a solid SP (3-4 ERA) and he is definitely in that category. Is he gonna cost money and some top prospects... of course my friend, you bet. These calibers always!, since the name of the game is pitching. I wouldn't doubt in sign him... but that's me.

 

Anyway, as I said, it won't happen, so... don't worry about our "Future".

[boston22407]

LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports that the Red Sox, Dodgers, Cardinals and Blue Jays were scouting Kevin Slowey's (abdominal strain) start for Triple-A Rochester Wednesday.

They probably walked away unimpressed, as Slowey allowed five runs on eight hits -- including two home runs -- and a walk over six innings. It's worth noting, though, that he entered the night with a 3.75 ERA and 17/3 K/BB ratio over 24 rehab innings. Slowey has previously been linked to the Pirates and Rockies

[d-money]

Beltran at this rate is a rental for any team.I hope we dont get him.Can Melky Cabrera play right field?lol

[SoxSport]

Pence is a different ballgame. You start talking serious prospects there.

[SoxSport]

Again!' date=' he is a [b']3.6 ERA career pitcher[/b], like it or not. He has faced all kind of teams, and I could show you great numbers/performances against solid teams and then you probably the opposite and this will go nowhere. But that is not my point; my point and the fact is that we need a solid SP (3-4 ERA) and he is definitely in that category. Is he gonna cost money and some top prospects... of course my friend, you bet. These calibers always!, since the name of the game is pitching. I wouldn't doubt in sign him... but that's me.

 

Anyway, as I said, it won't happen, so... don't worry about our "Future".

 

What's happening in the media is Yankee lust is driving his price up.

[a700hitter]

Beltran is absolutely crushing the ball.

[iortiz]

Pence is a different ballgame. You start talking serious prospects there.

 

yup...

[iortiz]

What would you prefer?, Pence, for a long term deal kinda CC's contract (a lot of money and surly some top prospects) or Beltran for 3 months, 6 MUSD and probably a couple of prospects.

[a700hitter]

What would you prefer?' date=' Pence, for a long term deal (money and surly some top prospects) or Beltran for 3 months, 6 MUSD and probably a couple of prospects.[/quote']Beltran.

[iortiz]

What's happening in the media is Yankee lust is driving his price up.

 

I think that Colorado is fooling all around. They are just tasting the market in my opinion. What would be the message to the actual roster (a solid one), fans, media, etc. if you give up one of your jewels.

 

I don't see that happens. I would be really surprised.

[SoxSport]

The Globe is running a story saying Ricciardi, Alderson's assitant, was seen scouting the Portland Sea Dogs in Maine last night. That could mean the Mets are looking at AA prospects for Beltran. They also added Reyes as a possibility, though Reyes would command more than AA prospects.

 

This shows the Red Sox are actively pursuing Beltran--in my view. And are willing to give up AA level prospects. It tells me 1) Beltran wants to play in Boston, and 2) maybe the Mets would prefer to deal Beltran away from the Phillies and the Braves. It also gives the Sox an option to extend Beltran next year as a part-time outfielder and DH option in case Papi becomes too expensive.

 

It looks to me Beltran is very much in the picture.

[iortiz]

Beltran.

 

I thought that you would change your mind... hehehehe

 

Pence is the only rescuable from the Astros. He is 28; his numbers this season? .315/.339/.481/.819.

through 5 seasons ? .291/.339/.481/.819; vs LHP .290 vs RHP .291.

 

and now?