The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well we have a nice stable of midlevel guys to get something done that not too many of us would weep to part with but would benefit teams with weakness in their positions.. Luis Exposito' date=' Che-Hsuan Lin, Yamaico Navarro, Stolmy Pimentel, guys like that. I wouldn't deal Felix Doubront for a triviality because he's an immediate option for the pen but he's expendable in the right deal. Ditto for Ryan Lavarnway who even if he can't stick at C has positioned himself as a very promising 1B/DH prospect because of the bat. We've got some pieces we can deal that we can afford to part with, in other words.[/quote']

 

Mid level guys, or your B/C level prospects are typically fillers in deals rather than headliners. Right now, the sox really dont have a guy capable of being a headliner in a deal other than Iglesias (assuming Kalish is untouchable). As it stands right now, the sox hope that their 2009 and 2010 drafts live up to billing and take a major step forward. The problem with those two drafts, IMO is that the 2009 draft was mostly HS talents and the 2010 draftees barely saw the field. This means that the 2009 guys are probably going to be scratching the surface of the long season leagues while you wont know what you have in the older 2010 guys until midway through the year. Essentially, the deal for AdGon cleaned you out pretty well. Having Lars and Reddick flame out a bit hurt as well.

[a700hitter]

What's the point? Neither is going to happen. And on the off chance one of us hits the lottery' date=' your out some $ or lose one of the only posters who actually puts up with you enough to respond to you on a regular basis. There is plenty of online gambling if you need a fix.[/quote']I think Crawford is still a possibility. If there is nothing for you to fear, take the bet. You are the one that set the odds at 1 million to 1. You can always pay me the $1,000 in a payment plan. I can't get an online betting line on this.

[a700hitter]

But that's a700's trademark move:D

I never said that I was in favor of the move.

[Meh]

Just like Agon was going to cost the farm right?

 

He cost your two best prospects and a solid guy in Fuentes and let's see who the PTBNL is, might be a guy like Workman. I actually thought the Padres did well with the trade, it was only a season of gonzalez.

[a700hitter]

In a700's defense' date=' it would only even be necessary in 2011. In 2012 Ortiz would have moved on and you could play a DH/1B/3B rotation.[/quote']Once again, I never said that I was in favor of such a move. I find it interesting that it is under consideration. I've clarified three times now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Crawford isnt coming to Boston. It doesnt make any sense. It would make them extremely succeptible to lefties, especially in a division that has CC, Pettitte (potentially), Price, Lee (potentially), Romero, Matusz, and Cecil in it. The sox have done their biggest offseason lifting. I can see them signing a mid tier reliever like Fuentes, adding a guy like Guerrier, and signing a cheap right handed potential OF option like Ordonez or even a guy like Dye or Kearns. They need to at least get the opportunity to become more right handed

[a700hitter]

We know' date=' you've been pimping it pretty hard today.[/quote']Are you saying that you want some of the action. You think Manny is a possibility ... right?

[a700hitter]

Crawford isnt coming to Boston. It doesnt make any sense. It would make them extremely succeptible to lefties' date=' especially in a division that has CC, Pettitte (potentially), Price, Lee (potentially), Romero, Matusz, and Cecil in it. The sox have done their biggest offseason lifting. I can see them signing a mid tier reliever like Fuentes, adding a guy like Guerrier, and signing a cheap right handed potential OF option like Ordonez or even a guy like Dye or Kearns. They need to at least get the opportunity to become more right handed[/quote']Manny ain't coming back either.

[Dojji]

I think Manny is a possibility, but I'm flat stinking broke and I don't believe in gambling. A short 1 year commitment to Manny makes all kinds of practical sense if you can get past the emotion of it.

[a700hitter]

I think Manny is a possibility' date=' but I'm flat stinking broke and I don't believe in gambling.[/quote']Okay, since you are broke, you can wager that I can change your custom user name.

[jacksonianmarch]

Manny ain't coming back either.

 

No, he isnt. Manny might be done in the bigs, IMO. I think he is gonna want too much money for what his skills suggest he should get

[soxfan74]

Mid level guys' date=' or your B/C level prospects are typically fillers in deals rather than headliners. Right now, the sox really dont have a guy capable of being a headliner in a deal other than Iglesias (assuming Kalish is untouchable). As it stands right now, the sox hope that their 2009 and 2010 drafts live up to billing and take a major step forward. The problem with those two drafts, IMO is that the 2009 draft was mostly HS talents and the 2010 draftees barely saw the field. This means that the 2009 guys are probably going to be scratching the surface of the long season leagues while you wont know what you have in the older 2010 guys until midway through the year. Essentially, the deal for AdGon cleaned you out pretty well. Having Lars and Reddick flame out a bit hurt as well.[/quote']

 

Right now I'll give it to you that Lars and Reddick have fizzled out a bit. By no means are they done at 23 years of age. Reddick has shown some flashes the last couple years. Hopefully this is there year. The Guys in the Gonzalez trade is a big hit to the Minor league system this season. In no way does it deplete us. Bowden turning into crap has hurt more than the others. Doubrant has been a nice surprise. Another Key is Tazawa coming back as well. We're OK.

[BSN07]

He cost your two best prospects and a solid guy in Fuentes and let's see who the PTBNL is' date=' might be a guy like Workman. I actually thought the Padres did well with the trade, it was only a season of gonzalez.[/quote']

 

That's true. But some still consider it less then expected. I'm jut saying we as fans and the media typically over hype a package. A lot of the time after a deal we are shocked to learn what it took to get the player. Look at Uggla, Santanna, Tex to LAA,(those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head). Just saying this is Josh Willingham. If he gets the Nats anything more the middle tier prospects with upside I will be surprised is all. Lars Anderson at most.

[jacksonianmarch]

Right now I'll give it to you that Lars and Reddick have fizzled out a bit. By no means are they done at 23 years of age. Reddick has shown some flashes the last couple years. Hopefully this is there year. The Guys in the Gonzalez trade is a big hit to the Minor league system this season. In no way does it deplete us. Bowden turning into crap has hurt more than the others. Doubrant has been a nice surprise. Another Key is Tazawa coming back as well. We're OK.

 

That's the nature of the beast, though. Prospects dont develop, fizzle, lose it, what-have-you. The key is to create redundancy, something the sox just lost in the upper levels with their recent deals. Regardless, I loved the sox 2009 and 2010 drafts. The problem is, the sox either graduated, dealt, or have seen the guys inbetween fizzle out. Your upper levels are pretty thin right now, especially on the pitching end

[jacksonianmarch]

That's true. But some still consider it less then expected. I'm jut saying we as fans and the media typically over hype a package. A lot of the time after a deal we are shocked to learn what it took to get the player. Look at Uggla' date=' Santanna, Tex to LAA,(those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head). Just saying this is Josh Willingham. If he gets the Nats anything more the middle tier prospects with upside I will be surprised is all. Lars Anderson at most.[/quote']

 

I think it was about what the Padres should have expected. Now should they have dealt him last yr, this would be quite an undersell

[SoxSport]

It's interesting that, with all the good young players the Sox have developed in their farm system and through the draft recently, there have been no power-hitting outfielders. They have had to go the trade or FA route to get one. Looks like they will again.

[jacksonianmarch]

Power hitters are hard to come by, especially since you are either drafting a college player whose development time is minimal, or you are drafting a HS kid with power "potential." Actually reaching that potential isnt easy

[GWSoxFan]

With the Dodgers discussing the possibility of trading Broxton with Loney to Milwaukee for Fielder, does anyone think there is a chance that they might be interested in Papelbon if the trade went through? And if so, what would the Sox want from them?

[jacksonianmarch]

I would stay away from Broxton at all costs this offseason. He saw a 5-6mph dropoff in his FB velocity as the season came to a close, and for a guy who throws as hard as he does, that has to call into question the integrity of his arm

[GWSoxFan]

I would stay away from Broxton at all costs this offseason. He saw a 5-6mph dropoff in his FB velocity as the season came to a close' date=' and for a guy who throws as hard as he does, that has to call into question the integrity of his arm[/quote']

 

I was thinking more along the lines of trading Papelbon to the Dodgers if Broxton gets traded to the Brewers. Kuo would be their closer, but he's got a history of arm problems so they can't be all that sure about him.

[BSN07]

I was thinking more along the lines of trading Papelbon to the Dodgers if Broxton gets traded to the Brewers. Kuo would be their closer' date=' but he's got a history of arm problems so they can't be all that sure about him.[/quote']

 

Not really sure what LA has to offer that the Sox would have enough interest in to trade Papelbon? It would shake up the NL West, that's for sure.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Not really sure what LA has to offer that the Sox would have enough interest in to trade Papelbon? It would shake up the NL West' date=' that's for sure.[/quote']

 

Andre Either and Matt Kemp come to mind

[BSN07]

Andre Either and Matt Kemp come to mind

 

Kemp maybe, but I'm not sure they would be quick to move Ethier though :dunno:

[GWSoxFan]

If you're the Dodgers, do you listen if Theo calls you and offers Papelbon, Lowrie, and a low tier prospect for Kemp?

[italstallianion]

If you're the Dodgers' date=' do you listen if Theo calls you and offers Papelbon, Lowrie, and a low tier prospect for Kemp?[/quote']

 

 

Depends on what happens with the money. If the Sox eat a lot of money, I'm sure the Dodgers would be obliged to buckle and lose a bit on talent. I think that everyone has their price, and if we negotiate properly I think we can get one of those Dodgers OF's. I still see the Red Sox getting Willingham though.

[Keeper]

If you're the Dodgers' date=' do you listen if Theo calls you and offers Papelbon, Lowrie, and a low tier prospect for Kemp?[/quote']

 

They'd probably want an MLB-ready OF like Ellsbury or Kalish to replace Kemp.

[GWSoxFan]

They'd probably want an MLB-ready OF like Ellsbury or Kalish to replace Kemp.

 

That'd make sense. And I agree that its a long shot and that Willingham is the much more likely option. It was just an interesting idea that popped into my mind.

[soxfan74]

Kemp would be another huge pickup. With three top prospects gone we may not have enough to pull that off. Kalish or Ellsbury would most certainly be in the mix. May want to look into Willingham who has been put on the market by the Nationals.

[Will617]

I think the talent will matter more than the price, for the Dodgers. They've seemed willing to spend thus far.

[Palodios]

Can anyone confirm Ethier's 2012 status? This is his third arbitration year, for some reason, Cots Contracts lists him with "Arb 4" for 2012. Or is this a Super Two thing?