The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[Palodios]

See' date=' here's my real issue with the "now, now, now" mentality, and it's that the people who sport said mentality are the first to turn around and say "well that was a stupid contract" once the player regresses.[/quote']

 

I've learned that arguing with these kinds of people is pointless. If you can't be happy with A-gon, you're not going to be happy.

[a700hitter]

I've learned that arguing with these kinds of people is pointless. If you can't be happy with A-gon' date=' you're not going to be happy.[/quote']Are there any Red Sox fans here that are not happy with AGon?

[Palodios]

Are there any Red Sox fans here that are not happy with AGon?

 

GoBruins?

[a700hitter]

GoBruins?

I thought he was unhappy about not getting him and then he got banned before we got him.

 

Mets Notes: Beltran, Francis

By Tim Dierkes [December 6 at 1:42pm CST]

 

A few Mets notes...

 

* "There is definitely big interest out there" for Carlos Beltran, tweets Newsday's David Lennon. Lennon feels that a healthy Beltran could fetch a nice haul in July.

I would really like to get Beltran.

[PineRider]

With Agon now on board at 1B, Anybody think Josh Willingham is worth Lars and another mid level prospect? Nats are looking at 1B's.

 

Just a thought...

[BSN07]

You are changing the terms of the bet. I said that there is a better chance of Crawford coming to the Sox than Manny coming to the Sox. This is not contingent on salaries. You are the one who is certain about Crawford's cost' date=' not me. Since you are a dead beat, the bet will be, I give you $1,000 if Manny signs with Boston and you leave TalkSox if Crawford signs with the Sox. No salary parameters. No balls.[/quote']

 

Wow, a friendly joking around session turns to me being a dead beat. Forgive me if I don't respond any further on the issue.

[BSN07]

I thought he was unhappy about not getting him and then he got banned before we got him.

 

I would really like to get Beltran.

 

I like Beltran idea. Less $ then Werth and only 1 year. I think if he performed well next season they could possibly extend him and he could fill in at DH and play some OF.

[PineRider]

I like Beltran idea. Less $ then Werth and only 1 year. I think if he performed well next season they could possibly extend him and he could fill in at DH and play some OF.

 

I like the sound of this.

 

I remember reading that Beltran prefers Center, would play Right though if asked. Does that mean Drew would go to Left? Or would Beltran? Wouldn't want to make these millionaires upset now, would we?

[BSN07]

The Red Sox, Blue Jays, and Mets are also thought to be interested in Martin, tweets SI's Jon Heyman.

[Meh]

With Agon now on board at 1B, Anybody think Josh Willingham is worth Lars and another mid level prospect? Nats are looking at 1B's.

 

Just a thought...

 

Willingham is going to bring back a lot more than that...

[BSN07]

Willingham is going to bring back a lot more than that...

 

Just like Agon was going to cost the farm right?

[Will617]

According to WEEI A-Gon's extension is 7 years, $154 mil (22 per year).

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/12/06/source-gonzalez-red-sox-have-framework-for-seven-year-deal/

[a700hitter]

Wow' date=' a friendly joking around session turns to me being a dead beat. Forgive me if I don't respond any further on the issue.[/quote']You said that you you would not pay on the bet. That makes you a dead beat where I come from. People are talking about Manny like he is a possibility . I make a statement that there is a better chance of us getting Crawford than signing Manny and I set odds on both things and offer to take bets on it. First, you try to change the terms of the bet by making it contingent on Crawford's contract and then you say that you won't pay up. Not paying up makes someone a dead beat, but that's okay, because the bet provides that if someone is a dead beat they leave Talk Sox. That's fair. Still you run from the bet. You are a dead beat with no balls.

[VA Sox Fan]

You said that you you would not pay on the bet. That makes you a dead beat where I come from. People are talking about Manny like he is a possibility . I make a statement that there is a better chance of us getting Crawford than signing Manny and I set odds on both things and offer to take bets on it. First' date=' you try to change the terms of the bet by making it contingent on Crawford's contract and then you say that you won't pay up. Not paying up makes someone a dead beat, but that's okay, because the bet provides that if someone is a dead beat they leave Talk Sox. That's fair. Still you run from the beet. You are a dead beat with no balls.[/quote']

 

[a700hitter]

According to WEEI A-Gon's extension is 7 years, $154 mil (22 per year).

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/12/06/source-gonzalez-red-sox-have-framework-for-seven-year-deal/

The extension is 7 years, but he would be under contract with the Sox for 8 years for a total of $160 million.

[a700hitter]

The bet is open to all TalKSox members. The thought that the FO would sign Manny is preposterous.

[a700hitter]

Adrian Beltre's asking price is $85MM over five years, Rosenthal reports. Boston would be interested in re-signing the third baseman if "the market for Beltre collasped," but the plan is to play Kevin Youkilis at third with Gonzalez taking over at first. Rosenthal says the Red Sox aren't considering moving Youkilis to left field to make room for Beltre.

This is interesting.

[Dojji]

Willingham is going to bring back a lot more than that...

 

Well we have a nice stable of midlevel guys to get something done that not too many of us would weep to part with but would benefit teams with weakness in their positions.. Luis Exposito, Che-Hsuan Lin, Yamaico Navarro, Stolmy Pimentel, guys like that. I wouldn't deal Felix Doubront for a triviality because he's an immediate option for the pen but he's expendable in the right deal. Ditto for Ryan Lavarnway who even if he can't stick at C has positioned himself as a very promising 1B/DH prospect because of the bat. We've got some pieces we can deal that we can afford to part with, in other words.

[ORS]

This is interesting.

Not to me. Youkilis in LF has little appeal to me, not only because he looked pretty lost out there before, but also because I don't know how he'd hold up out there. And while I think Beltre can continue to play well in Fenway, I'd have no interest in seeing if it can hold up for 5 years. It's a total impulse move for 2011 with little consideration of the years beyond.

[redsoxrules]

The extension is 7 years' date=' but he would be under contract with the Sox for 8 years for a total of $160 million.[/quote']

 

thats a great deal IMO for him

[BSN07]

The bet is open to all TalKSox members. The thought that the FO would sign Manny is preposterous.

 

So is the thought of giving Crawford 8+/180M+.

[BSN07]

Well we have a nice stable of midlevel guys to get something done that not too many of us would weep to part with but would benefit teams with weakness in their positions.. Luis Exposito' date=' Che-Hsuan Lin, Yamaico Navarro, Stolmy Pimentel, guys like that. I wouldn't deal Felix Doubront for a triviality because he's an immediate option for the pen but he's expendable in the right deal. Ditto for Ryan Lavarnway who even if he can't stick at C has positioned himself as a very promising 1B/DH prospect because of the bat. We've got some pieces we can deal that we can afford to part with, in other words.[/quote']

 

I'm sure the Nats would love a guy that projects to be a 1B/DH

[redsoxrules]

so if the Gonzalez contract is in fact 8/160 total .

 

Gonzalez >>>> crawford by a mile

 

crawford should not get 100M

[a700hitter]

So is the thought of giving Crawford 8+/180M+.

Then take the bet. We sign Manny. You win. We sign Crawford. I win. Neither signs. No one wins. Take the bet if you are so sure. I am sure about my side of it.

[ORS]

The bet is open to all TalKSox members. The thought that the FO would sign Manny is preposterous.

We know, you've been pimping it pretty hard today.

[BSN07]

Not to me. Youkilis in LF has little appeal to me' date=' not only because he looked pretty lost out there before, but also because I don't know how he'd hold up out there. And while I think Beltre can continue to play well in Fenway, I'd have no interest in seeing if it can hold up for 5 years. [b'] It's a total impulse move for 2011 with little consideration of the years beyond.[/b]

 

But that's a700's trademark move:D

[BSN07]

Then take the bet. We sign Manny. You win. We sign Crawford. I win. Neither signs. No one wins. Take the bet if you are so sure. I am sure about my side of it.

 

What's the point? Neither is going to happen. And on the off chance one of us hits the lottery, your out some $ or lose one of the only posters who actually puts up with you enough to respond to you on a regular basis. There is plenty of online gambling if you need a fix.

[Dojji]

I'm sure the Nats would love a guy that projects to be a 1B/DH

 

They did nicely with Dunn.

[Dojji]

Not to me. Youkilis in LF has little appeal to me' date=' not only because he looked pretty lost out there before, but also because I don't know how he'd hold up out there. And while I think Beltre can continue to play well in Fenway, I'd have no interest in seeing if it can hold up for 5 years. It's a total impulse move for 2011 with little consideration of the years beyond.[/quote']

 

In a700's defense, it would only even be necessary in 2011. In 2012 Ortiz would have moved on and you could play a DH/1B/3B rotation.

[a700hitter]

Not to me. Youkilis in LF has little appeal to me' date=' not only because he looked pretty lost out there before, but also because I don't know how he'd hold up out there. And while I think Beltre can continue to play well in Fenway, I'd have no interest in seeing if it can hold up for 5 years. It's a total impulse move for 2011 with little consideration of the years beyond.[/quote']I'm not saying thaqt i am in favor of this. If the report is true, I find it interesting that the Red Sox would have an interest in signing Beltre.