Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[Meh]

Phil Rogers - who I believe is a closet Yankee fan - thinks the White Sox should trade Floyd, Danks, or Jackson to the Yankees because they have Peavy (an unknown quantity at this point) and Sale (who he thinks can log 175 innings in his first full pro season).

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/sc-spt-0206-notes-rogers-baseball--20110205,0,6563579.column

 

WTF! Is he saying Montero, Betances, Gardner, Joba, Mitre and two prospects for Danks and taking Quentins and Teahren's contracts?

[yankees228]

Cause it's Kenny Williams...

 

Floyd yes. Danks no. I wouldn't want Flyod, I'd rather have Jackson over him myself.

 

Why not?

 

2009: 4.6 WAR, 3.77 FIP

2010: 4.3 WAR, 3.46 FIP

 

Over the last two years, Floyd has been better than Danks.

[Keeper]

WTF! Is he saying Montero' date=' Betances, Gardner, Joba, Mitre and two prospects for Danks and taking Quentins and Teahren's contracts?[/quote']

 

Technically, he said for Quentin or Pierre. In any case, he's reaching quite a bit, obviously. Montero would be the centerpiece of any such deal, but the thing is Montero would be blocked at every position. You've got Konerko at 1st for 3 more years, Dunn at DH for 4 more years, and Pierzynski at catcher for 2 more years. At best, Montero would get irregular playing time in a platoon role with AJ.

[Dipre]

Cause it's Kenny Williams...

 

Floyd yes. Danks no. I wouldn't want Flyod, I'd rather have Jackson over him myself.

 

It's Kenny Williams, and so?

 

He's been known to make bold moves to improve the Major League roster, not trade established Major League talent for prospects.

 

I'd like to see an example of a move similar to the one proposed here by Williams.

 

@Y228:

 

If what you mean is that you think Mitre/Garcia can provide the same quality of innings when compared directly to Wakefield, i'd disagree too, mainly based on the fact that i think Mitre is pretty much a reliever right now, and Garcia (who will likely be in the rotation) will likely be hurt very much by NYS. Wakefield's real question is health.

[Meh]

Technically' date=' he said for Quentin or Pierre. In any case, he's reaching quite a bit, obviously. Montero would be the centerpiece of any such deal, but the thing is Montero would be blocked at every position. You've got Konerko at 1st for 3 more years, Dunn at DH for 4 more years, and Pierzynski at catcher for 2 more years. At best, Montero would get irregular playing time in a platoon role with AJ.[/quote']

 

My right tesicle burst when I read that. I like Danks, but not that much.

 

Also I've just never been a fan of Floyd.

[yankees228]

It's possible that Wakefield will be better than Mitre/Garcia this year, but I was simply disagreeing with the way your initial post was phrased - pencilling in Wakefield for league average production while dismissing the possibility of Mitre/Garcia providing that. As you outlined, things could certainly change in 2011, but Garcia and Mitre were both better than Wakefield last year, so I just disagreed that a statement of such certainty can be justified.

 

EDIT: again, @ Dipre

[Dipre]

It's possible that Wakefield will be better than Mitre/Garcia this year, but I was simply disagreeing with the way your initial post was phrased - pencilling in Wakefield for league average production while dismissing the possibility of Mitre/Garcia providing that. As you outlined, things could certainly change in 2011, but Garcia and Mitre were both better than Wakefield last year, so I just disagreed that a statement of such certainty can be justified.

 

EDIT: again, @ Dipre

 

Garcia was on the White Sox, he's going to the AL East and homerdome, with diminished stuff, and much higher FB tendencies than earlier in his career and Mitre was a reliever, not a starter. He only pitched 13 innings as a starter and got rocked.

 

We're talking league average production as a SP.

[yankees228]

Garcia was on the White Sox, he's going to the AL East and homerdome, with diminished stuff, and much higher FB tendencies than earlier in his career and Mitre was a reliever, not a starter. He only pitched 13 innings as a starter and got rocked.

 

We're talking league average production as a SP.

 

The Yankees still think of Mitre as a starter, and as you like to point out, the teams are much better at judging these things than we are. And yeah, Garcia's ERA will probably jump over five. But that doesn't necessarily make them worse than Wakefield, who's coming off a year where he posted a 5.71 ERA as a starter and will turn 45 years old during the season.

[Dipre]

The Yankees still think of Mitre as a starter' date=' and as you like to point out, the teams are much better at judging these things than we are. And yeah, Garcia's ERA will probably jump over five. But that doesn't necessarily make them worse than Wakefield, who's coming off a year where he posted a 5.71 ERA as a starter and will turn 45 years old during the season.[/quote']

 

But they didn't see Mitre as a starter last year (for the most part) and would definitely not have seen him as one this year had it not been for the Lee/Petitte debacle, meaning there are many holes in that assumption.

 

And Wakefield is, of course, a knucleballer. As i said, the only real question about him is health, which, if improved, would likely yield better results in terms of effectiveness than the above duo due to the factors already mentioned and track record. I could be wrong, but i seriously doubt it.

[yankees228]

But they didn't see Mitre as a starter last year (for the most part) and would definitely not have seen him as one this year had it not been for the Lee/Petitte debacle, meaning there are many holes in that assumption.

 

And Wakefield is, of course, a knucleballer. As i said, the only real question about him is health, which, if improved, would likely yield better results in terms of effectiveness than the above duo due to the factors already mentioned and track record. I could be wrong, but i seriously doubt it.

 

Last year they had more options for starting pitchers, and Mitre was pitching well out of the bullpen, so they chose not to move him out of that role. And yeah, if there are better options, obviously they wouldn't use Mitre in the starting rotation. Just like if they had five pitchers better than Phil Hughes, they wouldn't use him as a starter either. It doesn't mean they don't think Mitre can start, it just means they had better options.

 

The reason I bring up Wakefield's age is not to suggest that he'll be injured, but that the grind of a MLB season for a 45 year old might just be too much for him, even if he's not on the DL with a significant injury. All three pitchers, Wakefield, Garcia, and Mitre, are flawed, and I just don't think one is really a good bet to perform better than the others. But we'll find out soon enough.

[a700hitter]

At this point, I have no confidence that Wakefield can be a productive major leaguer.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, Russell Martin says he is in the best shape of his life after using MMA to help work out. Hope he's not lying. A prime Russell Martin would be great for this team, although a bad Russell Martin wouldnt be the worst thing in the world with Montero hanging around

[italstallianion]

It would be even worse if the Yankees solve their SP issue by trading Montero.

[jacksonianmarch]

If they deal Montero to fix the pitching issue, you can be pretty certain they would be bringing in a top notch pitcher

[Meh]

If they deal Montero to fix the pitching issue' date=' you can be pretty certain they would be bringing in a top notch pitcher[/quote']

 

An Guardians fan who knows our farm system well told me he'd do Carmona for Noesi, Joseph and Golson. I know he's not the GM but it's nice to see other teams fan bases respecting our second tier talent.

[diony]

An Guardians fan who knows our farm system well told me he'd do Carmona for Noesi' date=' Joseph and Golson. I know he's not the GM but it's nice to see other teams fan bases respecting our second tier talent.[/quote']

 

Golson is not even 2nd tier. That package won't even get you Joe Saunders.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd do that deal, although anyone who is looking for Golson in a deal is shooting low. Golson is a 4th OFer at most, and more of a defensive replacement and pinch runner in reality. The Guardians dont have to deal Carmona. He's locked up for 4 more yrs all on cheap options. The only reason why the Guardians might sell him is if they think he is gonna revert to his injured shittiness. But one more 200+IP sub 4ERA season from him would double their return. In terms of talent, we shouldnt send Montero or the B's, but in order to get him and the 4 cost controlled seasons, we'd have to open with at least Brackman

[Cocos Disciples]

Continuing the effort to recreate the early 2000s, the Yankees signed Eric Chavez.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nick Swisher just hired Boras. He's in the last yr of his deal this season, although the Yanks have a 2012 option on him at $11 mil or so.

[BSN07]

Nick Swisher just hired Boras. He's in the last yr of his deal this season' date=' although the Yanks have a 2012 option on him at $11 mil or so.[/quote']

The Yankees Are Boras's meal ticket

[Divinity]

Yankees should let Swisher walk; move Jeter to RF and sign Jose Reyes next year

[jacksonianmarch]

No, they shouldnt. Reyes is an injury waiting to happen and Swisher is on a pretty cheap option if he keeps his .870OPS up. You roll with the punches for now, play him 2 more yrs then let him walk with an arb offer and get 2 picks

[WhiskeyBreath]

Nick Swisher just hired Boras. He's in the last yr of his deal this season' date=' although the Yanks have a 2012 option on him at $11 mil or so.[/quote']

 

Rosenthal said it wasn't Boras.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Just read that. Good.

[Keeper]

Yankees 2011 ZiPS Projections.

 

If that's what you guys get from Hughes, you're in big trouble.

[bsox0407]

Well they expect Pettitte to pitch. We will see what happens.

[Keeper]

As I understand it, the ZiPS projections don't really account for playing time; that's why you see so many prospects in these things. Pettitte will, in all likelihood, stay retired.

[jacksonianmarch]

First of all, a 4.08ERA for Hughes is an improvement. Second of all, the ZIPS projections are skewed for players who had been relievers and have converted to starters, so the IP are gonna be low for Phil on these projections regardless.

 

If I had to predict....

 

1. Jeter SS- .290/.360/.420

2. Granderson CF- .260/.340/.460

3. Teixeira 1B- .290/.390/.560

4. Rodriguez 3B- .290/.400/.550

5. Cano 2B- .300/.360/.520

6. Swisher RF- .240/.360/.490

7. Posada DH- .230/.350/.420

8. Martin C- .270/.370/.390

9. Gardner LF- .290/.400/.400

 

Starters

1. Sabathia 20-9 3.20ERA 1.15WHIP

2. Hughes 19-7 3.80ERA 1.20WHIP

3. Burnett 15-10 4.30ERA 1.40WHIP

4. Nova 13-9 4.50ERA 1.40WHIP

5. ???

 

I think Swisher and Posada come down with Swish seeing an uptick in the OBP. I think Tex and ARod rebound into the .900s OPS wise. I think Cano maintains his power but sees his average slip a bit. Jeter rebounds a bit but doesnt reach his career marks. Granderson a slight uptick. Martin improve now that he's healthy but doesnt reach LA glory days. CC keeps on keeping on. Hughes wins a little more and improves on his numbers slightly. Burnett gets inbetween his 2009 and his 2010 numbers. And I think Nova is going to be a lot better than people give him credit for with that sinker and his control. The real question is, who is gonna be the #5 and who will end the season in that spot in the rotation. My guess is that we make a mid season deal and address that problem directly.

[Dipre]

Talk about unrealistic expectations, old chap!

 

Time flows for everyone, including those in pinstripes.

 

I congratulate you on reaching the level of fantasy in baseball predictions only attained beforehand by those who hold the firm belief that Jed Lowrie can hit 25 Home Runs in 2011.

 

Keep dreaming, mate, for dreams are the fuel that drive human accomplishment!

[SoxFanForsyth]

Come on now man. I think everyone here agrees that it is possible that Lowrie is like Youkilis in the instance that his power could bloom a bit late and he could end up being a 20-25 HR guy if he get's enough playing time. Having said that, I'll admit that my expectations for Lowrie were very aggressive and unrealistic. I'll say 14-16 HR given a full season of AB's.

 

Now. Can we just drop the Lowrie thing?