Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[SoxFanForsyth]

Granderson made adjustments in the 2nd half' date=' and he can implement that over the course of a full season. He'll definitely hit 35 bombs and OPS .900. Martin is an upgrade offensively and defensively than Cervelli. Cervelli's numbers are inflated by a monster April and September, don't be fooled.[/quote']

 

So April and September don't count now? Just because Martin may consistently hit .260 doesn't make that better than a Cervelli who hits .340 in April and September, .240 in May - August. The games in April and September count just as much as those in May - August.

 

As for Granderson, even with his 2nd half adjustments, he still hit .253 with a .338 OBP after the ASB. He crushed it with the deep balls, with 17 HR, but he was complete feast or famine, and put up a weak BA and OBP.

 

Saying that he'll 'definitely hit 35 bombs with an OPS of .900' is pretty outrageous when, even with his 2nd half improvements, his OPS was only around .860. Especially when you're looking at a guy whose career high in HR is 30 and has had an OPS of .900 or higher only one time in his career, when he hit 23 triples.

 

30 HR/ .850-.860 OPS is a bit more of a realistic expectation.

[jacksonianmarch]

Grandersons' biggest problem has been the fact that he was a platoon player. Over the final 2 months, Long's adjustments allowed him to hit lefties well. If he can OPS over .700 vs lefties, then he will have a high .800OPS on the season. If he reverts to his prior splits, then he'll be a low .800OPS player

[Meh]

Grandersons' biggest problem has been the fact that he was a platoon player. Over the final 2 months' date=' Long's adjustments allowed him to hit lefties well. If he can OPS over .700 vs lefties, then he will have a high .800OPS on the season. If he reverts to his prior splits, then he'll be a low .800OPS player[/quote']

 

So what moves would you make now? You've got 20 million to spend and a deep farm. You've got some holes still on the team. Can't say trade for Felix or Lincecum either and you don't have to spend all 20 million

[jacksonianmarch]

I would have signed Jeff Francis, but now that he's out, I'd sign Duchsherer. See if he can cut it. Pettitte is apparently working out like he is playing this yr, so I assume he might be coming back at some point next yr. And I would sign Andruw Jones

[jacksonianmarch]

Then you have to wait and see what falls into your lap. There is always a pitcher who goes out on the active market come June. Keep an ear to the ground and see what the price is

[yankees228]

So it looks like they're on the verge of signing Andruw Jones. I think the only thing left is possibly acquiring another starter. The urgency to make that move might depend on where Pettitte stands.

[BSN07]

So it looks like they're on the verge of signing Andruw Jones. I think the only thing left is possibly acquiring another starter. The urgency to make that move might depend on where Pettitte stands.

 

I think they need to add a SP regardless of where Pettitte stands. But I have been agreeing with Jacko all along that it doesn't need to be right now. The Yankees should be good enough to stay in contention for the 1st half at least with what they have. At that point I think they will need to Add 1 if not 2 SP and 1 has to be an upper rotation SP. Not just an innings eater. If they are unable to do that and still make the playoffs they will be fighting an up hill battle to say the least.

 

But there is tons of time and lots of games before they get to that point. Many things will play out by then. Things could be a lot worse or there could be some pleasant surprises like Maybe AJ stepping up and being a solid #2 :dunno:

[yankees228]

I think they need to add a SP regardless of where Pettitte stands. But I have been agreeing with Jacko all along that it doesn't need to be right now. The Yankees should be good enough to stay in contention for the 1st half at least with what they have. At that point I think they will need to Add 1 if not 2 SP and 1 has to be an upper rotation SP. Not just an innings eater. If they are unable to do that and still make the playoffs they will be fighting an up hill battle to say the least.

 

But there is tons of time and lots of games before they get to that point. Many things will play out by then. Things could be a lot worse or there could be some pleasant surprises like Maybe AJ stepping up and being a solid #2 :dunno:

 

Another starter would definitely help, but if Pettitte comes back and AJ pitches well (two assumptions, but ones that they'd know half through the year, or so) I don't think acquiring one is absolutely necessary.

[jacksonianmarch]

Exactly. If Pettitte is back by June and AJ is pitching like he is capable of, then we dont need to go into desperation mode. On the flip side, if AJ bombs out and if Pettitte is still in Texas, then you better believe we'll be throwing prospects at any team with decent pitchers.

[yankees228]

Exactly. If Pettitte is back by June and AJ is pitching like he is capable of' date=' then we dont need to go into desperation mode. On the flip side, if AJ bombs out and if Pettitte is still in Texas, then you better believe we'll be throwing prospects at any team with decent pitchers.[/quote']

 

Yup. I really like the idea of Wandy Rodriguez, either now or during the season. He seems like a likely trade candidate, and he has been among baseball's upper echelon of pitchers over the last three seasons.

[diony]

Seems like the Yankees are really close to signing Andruw Jones.

 

Hughes got 2.7m today and Joba got 1.4m to avoid arbitration.

 

The hunt for a 4th starter continues as the Yankees are looking at Freedy Garcia (eek).

[BSN07]

One day after agreeing to terms with him on a $2.3MM contract for 2011, the Tigers have designated Armando Galarraga for assignment.

 

Would it be worth it to bring him to NY?

[diony]

Would it be worth it to bring him to NY?

 

He's an upgrade over Mitre for sure. But I doubt the Yanks are interested.

[jacksonianmarch]

Flyball pitcher without the ability to strike hitters out? Sounds like a great fit for Yankee Stadium.....

[Meh]

He's an upgrade over Mitre for sure. But I doubt the Yanks are interested.

 

I hope not. Just get Jones done and look at The Duch haha. Keep the roster flexible.

[yankees228]

River Avenue Blues suggests how the Yankees can maximize Soriano's value to the team, and I think they're spot on. Hopefully this is the approach Girardi takes.

 

http://riveraveblues.com/2011/01/the-way-to-use-rafael-soriano-41540/

[BSN07]

The Yankees paid Carl Pavano $39.95MM from 2005-08 and got 26 total appearances from the right-hander, who made annual trips to the 60-day DL. But Pavano's first stint in New York didn't stop the team from considering him this offseason. GM Brian Cashman told reporters, including Peter Botte of the New York Daily News, that the club had "several discussions" with agent Tom O'Connell, who represents the 35-year-old

 

The fact they even considered this for longer then half a heart beat, would have me worried if I am a Yankees fan. His name should have never even come up. And whomever mentioned him should have been fired on the spot.

[Palodios]

Carl Pavano is one of my all-time favorite Yankees. I'd love to see him back in pinstripes.

[yankees228]

Why shouldn't they discuss Pavano? They have a gaping hole in their rotation, and Pavano would fill it very nicely. He has stayed healthy the last two years, and amassed nearly a 7 fWAR over that time. He's a solid pitcher.

 

What happened during this first stint here was nothing more than an enormous fluke. You think this report should worry Yankees' fans, but I see it as quite the opposite. I'm pleased that management doesn't hold grudges based on past incidents, and is willing to look at every single option which could make the Yankees a better team on the field.

[SoxFanForsyth]

My opinion doesn't lack consistency, don't be stupid. The Yankees don't have budgetary concerns like everyone else in baseball. If the Sox threw 11 mill at a reliever i'd probably have a heart attack right then and there, because they're not the f***ing Yankees. Do you follow baseball at all?

 

And by the way,do your research, this wasn't a Cashman move, but an ownership move, you know, the people that handle the money, proving yet again that they just don't give a f*** about spending money. They simply have no limit and will stretch the budget as needed. My problem with your opinion is that you are being a homer, and are looking for ways to criticize the Yankees for looking for ways to improve their ballclub when there really aren't many other options available. They do so by abusing the systeam, but so do the Sox to a certain extent.

 

And also, Carl Pavano back to the Yankees? Let me re-ask you: Do you follow baseball at all?

 

11:58am: Pavano seriously considered returning to the Yankees, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Yankees explored a one-year, high-salary deal with Pavano before the Twins offered a second year.

 

Huh. That's crazy. I guess I'm not such a f***ing idiot after all, eh Dipre?

 

Crazy how someone else could have an opinion that differs from yours and be right.

[Dipre]

Pavano is not a fit with the Yankees, and you should know this Y228.

 

Not only because of the backstory and the bad press it would generate, but because he'd be a bad fit for the stadium.

 

He generates a good amount of groundballs, but his inability to strike people out, plus his HR/FB% (which is over 10 for his career, and was over 10 last year) don't seem tailor-made for Yankee stadium. He also has a fairly significant platoon issue in the power department (.453 SLG% vs lefties last year, .455 career). Seems like a recipe for disaster to me in that stadium, magnified by the Red Sox current lefty-heavy lineup.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He may not be a great option for the Yankees, but is Mitre a great option for the Yankees?

 

Pavano is a better pitcher than Mitre is, that's not debatable. That's what I was getting at with my original post.

 

Don't be so condescending when someone's opinion differs from yours and maybe you won't look so foolish when reports like this come out.

[yankees228]

Pavano is not a fit with the Yankees, and you should know this Y228.

 

Not only because of the backstory and the bad press it would generate, but because he'd be a bad fit for the stadium.

 

He generates a good amount of groundballs, but his inability to strike people out, plus his HR/FB% (which is over 10 for his career, and was over 10 last year) don't seem tailor-made for Yankee stadium. He also has a fairly significant platoon issue in the power department (.453 SLG% vs lefties last year, .455 career). Seems like a recipe for disaster to me in that stadium, magnified by the Red Sox current lefty-heavy lineup.

 

It is, by no means, a perfect fit. But he's better than Sergio Mitre, and he's better than any other alternative at this point. If they could have brought him in on a one year deal, I don't think it would be a bad use of resources.

[Dipre]

It is' date=' by no means, a perfect fit. But he's better than Sergio Mitre, and he's better than any other alternative at this point. If they could have brought him in on a one year deal, I don't think it would be a bad use of resources.[/quote']

 

But bringing him back on a one-year deal might have been impossible with the Nationals and Twins having both presented multi-year deals already.

 

@ForSyth: Oh, so because Cashman says they discussed him, it discounts the fact that Pavano himself said that he really wouldn't be open to returning to the Yanks, besides the fact that they have never made a formal offer or reached out to him? Boy, you sure showed me, i feel foolish! Pavano's almost a Yankee now!

 

I imagine the discussion:

 

Cashman: Hey guys, how about Pavano?

 

Hal and Hank: Nope.

 

DISCUSSION!

[yankees228]

But bringing him back on a one-year deal might have been impossible with the Nationals and Twins having both presented multi-year deals already.

 

@ForSyth: Oh, so because Cashman says they discussed him, it discounts the fact that Pavano himself said that he really wouldn't be open to returning to the Yanks, besides the fact that they have never made a formal offer or reached out to him? Boy, you sure showed me, i feel foolish! Pavano's almost a Yankee now!

 

I imagine the discussion:

 

Cashman: Hey guys, how about Pavano?

 

Hal and Hank: Nope.

 

DISCUSSION!

 

Right, I completely agree. But my original point was just that they were right to consider the possibility of bringing him back. Not that it was realistic or a great fit.

[SoxFanForsyth]

But bringing him back on a one-year deal might have been impossible with the Nationals and Twins having both presented multi-year deals already.

 

@ForSyth: Oh, so because Cashman says they discussed him, it discounts the fact that Pavano himself said that he really wouldn't be open to returning to the Yanks, besides the fact that they have never made a formal offer or reached out to him? Boy, you sure showed me, i feel foolish! Pavano's almost a Yankee now!

I imagine the discussion:

 

Cashman: Hey guys, how about Pavano?

 

Hal and Hank: Nope.

 

DISCUSSION!

 

Again, same exact thing I posted on my original argument, but I'll post it here again.

 

11:58am: Pavano seriously considered returning to the Yankees, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Yankees explored a one-year, high-salary deal with Pavano before the Twins offered a second year.

 

Hm. That kind of does discount that he said he would never go back.

 

Hm. That kind of does sound like more than a "Hey, Pavano" "Nope".

 

It's ok to show a little bit of humility every once in a while. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.

 

Oh - and the fact that you insinuated that it would be the most outrageous idea in the world, and that only someone who didn't follow baseball would even consider the name Pavano and Yankees together again? Well, that is where you are being foolish.

[Dipre]

The Yankees explored a one-year deal with Pavano at a high salary, sources said. The talks fizzled when the Twins guaranteed Pavano a second year — an important consideration for a pitcher who is 35.

 

Funny how people don't "Catch on" to details when it doesn't help their arguments. If Pavano was genuinely interested in returning to the Yankees, why did he immediately jump on the Twin's two-year offer and didn't go back to let the Yankees make a final offer (which FA's usually do), oh that's right, because, as it was reported before in every media outlet in the universe, he always intended to return to the Twins (which is what he will do), and is the exact same thing you'd be saying if you were on the opposite end of the argument. Disingenuous much?

 

And it's funny that you, the guy who pretends to know exactly how the Sox FO thinks, is lecturing me about humility.

 

Just throwing this out there: Pavano re-signing with the Yanks was less likely than Papelbon returning to the Sox. Just sayin'.

 

It wasn't going to happen, it did not happen, so what is your point?

 

If a report comes out tomorrow "Sox considered Manny Ramirez" i'd say exactly the same thing.

[SoxFanForsyth]

My point is that you basically told me that I don't follow baseball because I mentioned that the Yankees would be better off with Pavano in the 5th spot of their rotation.

 

Well. Both sides were at least interested, so I don't see how you could have been so confident.

 

As for the Papelbon discussion - if he signs with another team, was it "not going to happen, didn't happen"? Because that's basically the same discussion we're having here.

 

We're basically having the exact same argument from opposite sides on two different players, so I guess we're both guilty for the same thing.

[diony]

Two Red Sox fans arguing about Carl Pavano and the Yankees. AWESOME.

[Meh]

This was the Yankees plan, get the red sox fans at each others throats. It's working well.